Carl Sagan quote
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Saqan quote
Damned Neo. This stuff at the top of the post was the result of attempting to
paste in a link using the very procedure that worked fine yesterday. Nothing
ever appeared in the Neo editor before I pressed Send, but yet here it is. Sigh.
Separating it below from the actual text of the post, for
The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic right to
discipline human beings who work for the princely sum of $50 per month (with
*maybe* another $150 going to their families) to force them to practice TM and
do what they're told. They even issued a press release saying
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The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic right to
discipline human
Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract?
Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and
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Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into
slavery by their
The university contributes a good deal of money to the local economy, even just
from the administration, faculty, staff and students patronizing local
businesses. Good name continues, people come, live there work there, the money
continues to flow.
Well said Barry. But the TMO wouldn't blink an eye at paying the pundits $50 a
month - that's what the lowly meditators were paid in the mid 80s when I was
there (and that was before MIU took out Social Security tax)
On Thu, 3/13/14,
The photos of the compound in the newspaper look much like a minimum-security
prison compound. I think all we need to do is have a more flexible mindset
(characteristic of creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that slavery
is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's keep those
This is in Hindi, but maybe you can get the gist of it. This is probably video
from January
http://zeenews.india.com/videos/maharishi-vidya-mandir-chief-girish-chandra-verma-held-for-allegedly-raping-teacher-for-7-years_26349.html
turq, I agree with you that the program should be disbanded. But only if greed
and other forms of ignorance are at the heart of it. However, if at its heart
is a desire to relieve suffering in the world, then I say let the program be
reassessed and fixed somehow.
I keep thinking: it has been a
Well said. But they are paid 200$ a month which is quite a good salary
considering that buying ability will be about x 20 for that amount in India. So
most of these pundits will certainly want to hold on to this job.
I think your mention of climate makes a lot of sense. This added to the
On 3/12/2014 9:30 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
http://thegazette.com/2014/03/12/riot-of-indian-meditators-causes-concerns-for-fairfield-residents/
Pandit campus leaders, who are affiliated with the Maharishi University
of Management in Fairfield, downplayed the incident Wednesday.
Does
It's not that the man did not know how to juggle, he just didn't have the
balls to do it.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
Broken pencils are pointless.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
I wondered why the
This is great! Now when the pundits riot, they can tear up the MUM cars!
Sheriff's Office Won't Help With Next Attempt To Remove Pandit
By Mark Carlson, Reporter
FAIRFIELD, Iowa - A pandit leader that inadvertently triggered some unrest near
Fairfield Tuesday will still be removed, only this
Ah yes, and war is natures way of dealing with collective stress... at least so
says Maharishi.
On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:40 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Spring Riotscapitalizedare natural in Iowa. Ah ha ha, that is so
funny. I say, I like the
Om well, to anybody who is *new* to this looking in on Fairfield from the
outside you should know also for relative perspective that the pundit thing is
an outpost of all that is the TM meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa.
Most Fairfield meditators don't have anything to do with it and
Conversation in the future:
Child: What did you do for the TM movement, Daddy? I mean, before it was able
to usher in the Age Of Enlightenment and ensure peace for all of us?
Father: Well, son, I worked on the MUM Pundit Removal Squad.
Child: What was that, Daddy?
Father: Well, there were
There is nothing.
My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization
theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out
from the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden
decompression of the plane for unknown reasons, but it could
On 3/12/2014 11:24 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
I bet you anything the sheriff had a video cam in his vehicle and is
not releasing the tape
How much would you be willing to wager?
There may be, shall we say, mixed motivations--i.e., other than
compassion--involved in the ascribing of blame by the TM critics on FFL. In the
past, when the TMO has come significantly a-cropper, there have been veritable
explosions of glee here from the critics, just as in this instance.
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The MUM/TMO administration obviously
Why did the transponder stop transmitting?
My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid depressurization
theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks they could have blacked out from
the lack of oxygen. So, this theory goes like this: the sudden decompression of
the plane for
that's great TurqB!
On Thu, 3/13/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 13,
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
turq, I agree with you that the program should be disbanded. But only if greed
and other forms of ignorance are at the heart of it. However, if at its heart
is a desire to relieve suffering in the world, then I say let the
On 3/13/2014 8:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*Why did the transponder stop transmitting?*
That's in my next theory: The transponder was deliberately turned off.
My bet is still on the aircraft's possible sudden, rapid
depressurization theory. If the pilots failed to put on masks
It would be most helpful for everyone to hear from the pundits, freely.
Who is going to speak to the pundits so we can hear the pundit side of this?
The Raja Wynne ? It would be most caring to have independent mediation to hear
what the pundit side really is. Send in the International Red
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Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
that's great TurqB!
I can only hope that lawyer Better Call Goldstein and many others read
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Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
It would be most helpful for
everyone to hear from the pundits, freely.
Who is
On 3/13/2014 8:23 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Well, there were some unruly pundits -- obviously unstressing or
possessed by rakshasas
What is wrong with you, Barry? The pundits are students from India, not
unruly black devil rakshasas. Maybe you should learn a little Sanskrit
before you go using
Maybe they could send over Jimmy Carter to get to the bottom of this
international scandal rocking the Country.
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:03 PM
dear Buck and turq, if you think anyone EVER speaks freely, then I am grateful
to you both for your hopefulness. IMO the only people who ever speak completely
freely, are those people who feel, no, who experience, who live the reality
that they have absolutely nothing to lose.
Having said
On 3/13/2014 8:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
that's great TurqB!
What you need to do is examine your own motives for contributing to this
conversation. So far, you and Barry are not looking very good in the
racial profiling category. Go figure.
There are probably millions of people attending
Judy to my satisfaction I covered the issue you mention when I wrote: And what
about our own motivations as we ascribe blame without having all the facts?
I felt turq's compassion in his post. I was not pandering. But you, as usual,
are attempting to pass off your opinions as fact and your
On 3/12/2014 10:26 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*The guy they were going to send home is the /head pandit/, the
leader. If he's a misfit, they've got even bigger problems than we
thought.*
What we have to do is try to separate out the events that happened in
the parking lot and what the
turq, upon what experience are you basing this story? What I'm asking is: have
you seen the TMO use physical force against anyone?
On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:26 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Conversation in the future:
Child: What did you do for the TM movement,
Richard, why would the transponder be turned off deliberately if the plane was
in trouble?!
On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:59 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 3/13/2014 8:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Why did the transponder stop transmitting?
That's in my
Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist in India
as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of donations from dumb TMers
around the world, with the aid of the international TM movement
Lawson, I would say that if these children are forced, then the parents are
mainly to blame. BUT...so also is the organization that accepts these coerced
children into their programs.
The TMO in my opinion, should only accept children who truly want to be in the
program. There should be a
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video
in the above video, Oprah meets Bhupendra-ji, one of the leaders of the
pandits. It is obvious that he is much older than the 20-40 age
Read what I wrote again. You are lying when you say I was trying to pass off my
opinions as fact. Not that it's a surprise to find you telling falsehoods.
That's how you deal with conflict, dishonestly. And there's more than enough
hard evidence of that in the archives. Want some examples?
I
On 3/13/2014 10:10 AM, Share Long wrote:
accept children who truly want to be in the program.
Parents send their children to boarding schools all the time, even if
the child does not want to go - you don't have to like your parents -
just do what they tell you to do. I would think that the
On 3/13/2014 10:12 AM, lengli...@cox.net wrote:
I'm also guessing that the pandits are so isolated that they've
developed local gang leaders who prey on their ignorance of local customs
I'm guessing that the pundits are pretty much just like everyone else
that resides on campuses all over
On the other hand, if it's true, as one of the reports had it, that Americans
were tasked to sit with the pandits to make sure they were meditating, I can
see how that might well have been perceived as insulting and demeaning,
purity issues aside.
Richard, as I was saying to Lawson, it's a complicated situation. But I would
say, for this kind of program to create world peace, better to only have people
involved who truly want to be involved. Otherwise it's flawed from the
beginning.
But it's a sticky wicket. What if the parent wants to
Turq et. al. and other pseudo-Buddhists here just need something to unstress on
considering the low interest in the Dolly Lama these days.
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On 3/13/2014 10:10 AM, Share Long wrote:
accept children who truly want to be in the
Oprah states in the video that security is for their protection since their
presence here generates a lot of curiosity.
Why is barbed wire needed? Huh? Is there bus service? Are they allowed out
to roam freely after their shifts are complete? At the time of this video, 800
men, mostly in
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Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:12 PM
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Today's FF Ledger
http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/Oprah-Meets-Iowas-Pandits-Video
On 3/13/2014 9:03 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Send in the International Red Cross, the Attorneys General either State or
Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit groups that specialize in traffic-ed
workers.
From what I can see, Tony Nader lives just a few blocks from the campus,
Damn, the image pasted into my first reply didn't come through. Trying again.
:-)
Three comments:
1.
When the credibility of a cult organization is called into question,
trot out an old celebrity endorsement from two years ago in the hope
that readers are as easily swayed by celebrity as
On 3/12/2014 11:40 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
indentured servants and then moved to a citizen track.
Do we have any evidence that the pundit work study program on campus was
slavery? We have thousands of students around here on school programs
where they work while taking classes, and
On 3/12/2014 11:40 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Is the TMO contributing to immigration to America in their own special
way?
According to what I've read, the TMO has contributed millions of dollars
to help people immigrate to America by providing a university residence
and scholarships
On 3/12/2014 11:46 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Only in Fairfield.
It's happening all over - maybe you're not familiar with Spring Break at
institutions of higher learning. Just last night, two guys from South
Korea attending classes at University of Houston, broke into Sea World
at San
This had nothing to do with a celebrity endorsement, you twisted twit. Lawson
is addressing a specific factual issue, as to whether Mishra is the head
pundit, as the news reports have said; and if not, what his real status is,
since he appears to have been central to what took place..
The
On 3/13/2014 2:55 AM, turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
Girish Co. and Maharishi's relatives in India, who rake in a hefty
bundle every year from the indentured servants they've managed to
place in America.
Is there any evidence that Girish and his relatives get any money from
the TMO pundit
Let's see now, this would appear to be a photo of Marshall Applewhite, head of
the Heaven's Gate cult, which committed mass suicide back in 1997.
This would have exactly what to do with the TMO and the pundits? Or with
Lawson, for that matter?
Barry, you're losing your remaining marbles.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :
Oprah states in the video that security is for their protection since their
presence here generates a lot of curiosity.
Why is barbed wire needed? Huh? Is there bus service? Are they allowed out
to roam freely after their
On 3/13/2014 2:55 AM, turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
fits the legal definition of indentured servitude, which was
declared illegal in America in the 1800s and by the United Nations
General Assembly in 1948.
You seem to be taking a special interest in the TMO pundit boy program,
but I wonder: is
On 3/13/2014 3:00 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Damned Neo.
Most professional writers don't use Neo anymore for their news reader or
to post messages to a news group. Go figure.
On 3/13/2014 6:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold
into slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their
contract?
Answer to previous question: Yes. it looks like Barry is interested in
the TMO pundit program in
On 3/13/2014 11:27 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Let's see now, this would appear to be a photo of Marshall Applewhite,
head of the Heaven's Gate cult, which committed mass suicide back in 1997.
This would have exactly what to do with the TMO and the pundits? Or
with Lawson, for that
On 03/13/2014 04:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
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*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:06 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the
pundit riots?
Are you *really* trying to make a case that
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Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
Well, Lawson is a TM fanboy.
I agree. What I am commenting on is that the *extent* of his
On 3/13/2014 10:33 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Is there bus service? Are they allowed out to roam freely after their
shifts are complete? At the time of this video, 800 men, mostly in
their 20's, reside here. Are they allowed to date?
There apparently is no city bus service to
On 3/13/2014 10:39 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Damn, the image pasted into my first reply didn't come through. Trying
again. :-)
It took you years to get away from using AOL. Try using Google Chrome -
it works great and it's free. No pirate worth his salt would be caught
dead using Yahoo Neo.
For Lurkers looking in, for a perspective on how we live as the Fairfield, Iowa
meditating community see the recent post/link to the organizational flow charts
as to how we are as a living community here. The pundit thing is a small part
of the Fairfield Iowa meditator experience.
When contemplating the relative sanity of Barry and Lawson, let's bear in mind
that it was Barry who characterized Lawson's mention of a TV interview with an
older Fairfield pundit as exploiting a celebrity endorsement--as if Lawson
could have cited any number of other interviews of the pundit
I can't help noticing -- and in fact have commented on it today -- that most of
the responses to the pundit riot furor have been pretty much standard cult
fare, primarily consisting of Shoot the messenger and trying to demonize
critics.
And this coming from people who specialize in shouting
Please cite examples of demanding that they own up to and apologize profusely
for Oopsies.
You can't? You made that up?
Opsie.
As I've pointed out before, messengers who lack basic integrity DESERVE to be
shot. Barry--just, you know, for example--has ignored the comments
This is what happens when you hire 20 year olds at +120K a year who have
no experience in the business, just college theory. Does that sound
crazy enough to you? The Neo concept is known in the industry as
mobile first which means you develop for a mobile device then the
desktop environment.
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Describing Communal (Meditating) Fairfield
this pundit thing is going to wind up being a lot bigger than you think
I agree. I suspect that
Chrome what? The Chrome browser or a new laptop running Chrome OS?
Better to learn the quirks of Neo. I cross check on Neo to see how my
posts come out. Images too big will get truncated if you just drop them
into the message pane. Links will work though. I put nothing but
YouTube links
It's still winter but here in sunny California we are having summer
weather. It's forecast to even go into the 90s where I live. Not good
for the drought so we can hope for some more rain to come in. In the
meantime we now have to worry that the earthquake that struck off the
coast up north
Unity. Going to visit there tonite. Always interested to see how other
utopian groups do it. Empty, you around for coffee in the morning, or do you
Unity people not do coffee?
I am staying at the motel there in Unity. Get there late tonight and around
for a little while in the morning
Re: For me, I see it as an opportunity for the situation of the pandits to be
examined by those who are not necessarily associated with TM...
This I like. It would be valuable to commission an independent and
objective review of the program and allow the feedback to inform policy
how do i reply
Hit the Reply button in the upper right or lower left.
what is girlish varma's scam.?
What I am commenting on is your crazy-eyed cultist outlook - do you seriously
think those folks up in Vedic City would be party to kidnapping and holding
Indian children in forced labor camps? If so, that's an insult to people like
Rick and Alex who live up there! Don't you think they would
Assuming you're trying to ask about my use of the phrase, it is my suspicion
that he was the one who thought up the whole pundit boy idea and supplying
them to the TM movement as a way to get more donations from TM practitioners
that would find their way into his pockets, as I explained in the
There are True Believers, and there are TRUE BELIEVERS!!!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-26556395
I am geeky enough to look that up -- Looks like a power interruption to the
transponder itself, would do it. Also, if Richard's theory holds, lack of
oxygen can get people doing odd things, including manually turning off the
transponder. In other words, no clue.
---In
The transponder may have been turned off by the pilot or the co-pilot. As
far as why, you'll have to wait until after I talk to Dad tonight - he was
a pilot in the USAF and is keeping with this via all his AF connections.
There was a rumor yesterday saying the plane landed somewhere - that's why
Most experts now (from what I've been reading) seem to be pretty sure the
transponder was turned off deliberately. By whom, of course, is the question.
But there seems to be fairly solid evidence emerging that the plane was
functioning normally for a good four hours after the transponder
I also read an article, stating that Malaysian airlines had declined to
participate in the voluntary engine info program, that you mention. I don't
know if that means they just don't get a performance report, or something more.
What a mystery. Reminds me of Payne Stewart's crash - loss of
The Fairfield Fight Club association has created a new form of MMA (Mixed
Martial Arts). It will be called
MMY for Mixed Martial Yagyas. Be afraid.
On 3/13/2014 5:38 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
What a mystery.
The pilot or co-pilot could have turned off the transponder and then
turned the plane in a different direction and flew for another four-five
hours and hundreds of miles at 500 MPH toward the Indian Ocean. My bet
at
On 3/13/2014 5:39 PM, ultrarishi wrote:
It will be called
MMY for Mixed Martial Yagyas. Be afraid.
Addressing the important issues!
There are probably tens of thousands of boy pundit students all over
India and the world attending private schools just like the one at Vedic
City, Iowa, and
I am kind of embarrassed for him, actually, the way he is going on and on, and
on, about the pundit piddle. I would get it, if he were Iowanese, or even,
Wisconsinian, but the dude lives in E-fucking-u-rope. He is a little too worked
up about it, being that far away, and his desperation is
The Wall St. Journal reporter who broke the story on the engine communications
has an explanation for the Malaysian officials' denial. You'll have to listen
to the story--it's about 6 minutes--to hear exactly what he says, but basically
it's that the denial was very narrow and doesn't exhaust
On 3/13/2014 4:14 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
it is my suspicion that he was the one who thought up the whole
pundit boy idea and supplying them to the TM movement as a way to
get more donations from TM practitioners that would find their way
into his pockets
Yes, I think that's the idea - to
On 3/13/2014 6:03 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
He is a little too worked up about it, being that far away, and his
desperation is creeping me out.
So, why do you suppose he is so interested in the pundit boys? He's
never before seemed very concerned about international students on
On 3/13/2014 1:10 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Barry is welcome to consider me his enemy if that floats his boat,
but I don't consider him my enemy.
So, it's all about Barry picking a fight with Judy so he can win an
argument - it has nothing to do with the pundit boy program. Go figure.
On 3/13/2014 10:32 AM, Share Long wrote:
What if the parent wants to enroll the child in the pundit program but
the child doesn't want to be a pundit?
Every child needs to be taught how to read and write, Share, even if
they don't want to be pundits.
On 3/13/2014 10:29 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
On the other hand, if it's true, as one of the reports had it, that
Americans were tasked to sit with the pandits to make sure they were
meditating, I can see how that might well have been perceived as
insulting and demeaning, purity issues
On 3/13/2014 2:05 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
I suspect that this is the beginning of the end of the pundit
project in America.
Apparently this TB is not aware of the fact that in many parts of the
world and in parts of India itself, the word pundit means Hindu:
Chanter of the Vedic Sacrifice
And how odd that you would find Lawson's speculation about the pundits'
isolation to be blaming them for it rather than those responsible for keeping
them in isolation.
And that may be the most important issue here:
the pandits may feel so isolated that they are lashing out or getting
Oprah states in the video that security is for their protection since their
presence here generates a lot of curiosity.
Why is barbed wire needed? Huh? Is there bus service? Are they allowed out
to roam freely after their shifts are complete? At the time of this video, 800
men, mostly in
There are charlatans everywhere! Not only in Indian philosophy! Even in
Christian theology! Doesn't mean you throw out the baby with the bathwater!!
the essential truths of Indian philosophy and religion remain true!
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
There are True
Richard, I still say that with this kind of program, meant to create world
peace, the participants need to voluntarily involved every step of the way. If
a boy doesn't want to continue, then he should be allowed to leave. Otherwise
the whole thing is flawed at the core.
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