[FairfieldLife] The only campaign poster Democrats will ever need

2014-06-02 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yeah, I know that I was railing against too-early-election propaganda here, but this struck me as sounding so like the sound of nails being driven into the coffin of the Republican Party that I thought I'd pass it along:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lightmint vs EEG claptrap

2014-06-02 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
What you do not seem to understand, Lawson, is who the *audience* for all of this supposed scientific verification of claims about TM is. It is NOT newbies, who have never learned TM and are being given a sales pitch about it. It's those who bought it years ago, and who by now -- after

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com   I forget Sal, who is it that claims TM did not, of does not have some cultish elements about it?  I mean, I know you have a minor orgasm when you come upon some new example. I left before the Robin Carlson period,

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I forget Sal, who is it that claims TM did not, of does not have some cultish elements about it? Did you not see the refutation from Orme Johnson about how TM is not a cult? And from everyone else. You have to admit you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

2014-06-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Who I don't admire as much are the others who have never -- and who in fact would never consider -- donning a white belt again and learning another technique of meditation. LOL -- And this matters, why? You are a discredited ex TM Teacher, who knows nothing about enlightenment, or

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Any true guru would not care if their followers went to see another teacher, mainly because a real teacher doesn't want followers. Only someone who is greedy to HAVE followers and greedy to get their slavish devotion and money would fret about it. Just about the only teacher worth a crap in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lightmint vs EEG claptrap

2014-06-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Eh, has it ever occurred to you that you might be wrong? The United Nations relief agencies don't care about enlightenment, but they DO care about what is the most efficient therapy for PTSD. The American Heart Association don't' care about enlightenment, but they DO care about what is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Not really true at all, MJ. The logic is backwards. If you consider it, Maharishi is one of the few teachers to have established a legacy that continues quite successfully, on the basis of what he taught, vs. who he was. If you compare Maharishi to other teachers, including UGK, the importance

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
In fact, the whole thing about not seeing other followers concerns group meditation in the Domes in Fairfield, where synergy from everyone practicing identical techniques is the entire intent of the Invincible America project. There's also issues concerning practicing other techniques while

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com   In fact, the whole thing about not seeing other followers concerns group meditation in the Domes in Fairfield, where synergy from everyone practicing identical techniques is the entire intent of the Invincible America

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com   From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com   In fact, the whole thing about not seeing other followers concerns group meditation in the Domes in Fairfield, where synergy from

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That's not the situation that existed here. It was more about two teachers occupying the same space. That normally doesn't work too well in any setting. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
No-one ever taught me to parrot nuttin. You may think this because it was drilled into you, but I came up with half this crap on my own before I ever heard the TM teachers say anything remotely like it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From:

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I did not see what you are referring to from DOJ. I can't speak for him. My observation is from many of the contributors here who acknowledge issues with the TMO having some cult like appearances. And also from other people I know who acknowledge this. Many big organizations may have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/2/2014 4:53 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Any true guru would not care if their followers went to see another teacher, mainly because a real teacher doesn't want followers. Only someone who is greedy to HAVE followers and greedy to get their slavish

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/2/2014 4:53 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Just about the only teacher worth a crap in the last few decades was UG Krishnamurti. So, what was it, exactly, that you learned form UG Krishnamurti, since he believed there was /no teacher, nothing to teach,

[FairfieldLife] Prof P-Dog and White Belt Black Belt Blah Blah

2014-06-02 Thread emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Welcome to our own Professor Prairie Dogus - scion of depthless, arrogant and ill-informed knowledge. Why arrogant? Because someone who presents themselves as knowledgeable without recognizing the temporality and incompleteness of their presentation is either stupid or self-important.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The only campaign poster Democrats will ever need

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/2/2014 1:24 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yeah, I know that I was railing against too-early-election propaganda here, The U.S. mid-term elections are happening now and many more will be held in just a few months. If anything, the election propaganda on FFL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Wowzer. I don't think that's the issue Michael, this seeing of other teachers. That was not the problem the primary problem with RWC. Yes, if you became a follower, evidently there were consequences. But the situation there, as I understand it, was a frontal assault on the organization to

Re: [FairfieldLife] The only campaign poster Democrats will ever need

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/2/2014 1:24 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: the sound of nails being driven into the coffin of the Republican Party that I thought I'd pass it along: Apparently Barry doesn't really keep up on U.S. political elections. Go figure. Tuesday's election results

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think Barry sorta missed the point of Steve's question. Key words: significant challenge. He means somebody like Robin. As I noted, Robin wasn't just another teacher, he was actively challenging the organization--the TMO, specifically at MIU--while remaining faithful to Maharishi's teaching,

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Again, Robin wasn't challenging Maharishi's teaching but rather the organization that had been created to promote them. Robin did remain a slave to Maharishi and his teachings even many years after he'd been thrown out of Fairfield. I left before the Robin Carlson period, but I imagine he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Robin wasn't aiming to usurp Maharishi's authority as a teacher, Steve. He had convinced himself that Maharishi would grant him authority over the organization per se, to reform it and mold it into an organization that would do justice to Maharishi's teaching. Once Maharishi finally made it

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Story of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, as I understand it. He was an Indian disciple of the MMY's who apparently achieved enlightenment status, and wanted to do his own thing. From what I heard, MMY said go forth and multiply, which he did. Did he do it in the movement's front yard? No. Did

Re: [FairfieldLife] The only campaign poster Democrats will ever need

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Maybe some liberal lawmakers think of women as just pawns to be used in order to win an election. Maybe that's the purpose of this Barry message - to get back at Judy, because everyone knows that Barry doesn't even vote in U.S. elections. Go figure. It's beginning to look like the Democrats

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why white belt should be the highest rank in martial arts

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/1/2014 10:42 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, you got caught using someone else's words without attribution... Thanks for pointing this out, Judy - I don't know what I would do without all your research and correcting! Correction: /According to a reviewer ///on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Barry -- Once again you are arguing for your preferences, in the absence of any evidence. You did not reach the goal. You have no knowledge, or authority. Therefore, your challenges to the TM path are just empty speculation. You have no idea why seeing other teachers is not a good idea, or a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
More nonsense. Listening to you, is like listening to a child explain their version of the universe - very few facts, interspersed with immature emotions. Not convincing at all - ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]

[FairfieldLife] Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

2014-06-02 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
To provide some counterpoint to the chorus of excuses and cult apologetics spouted lately by people like Jim, Judy, and Lawson, who were *never there* to see how Maharishi dealt with those who committed the Cardinal Sin of seeing other teachers, I'll provide a bit more information. After all,

[FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sounds reasonable to me, Steve. What I see going on on this forum, especially with the distortions here, regarding Maharishi, is that a few unfulfilled jerks on here are simply projecting their own failures, onto Maharishi, and his organization. If I consider that every one of the TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

2014-06-02 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I have never denied or tried to excuse Maharishi's edict against seeing other teachers, and as you know I'm not a cult apologist, so you can take me right off this list. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : To provide some counterpoint to the chorus of excuses and cult

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
And, I might add, that you're still up parroting them at 3:47 in the morning. I missed this - So sweet, Lawson -- Barry's concern that you get enough rest. He has shared the same concerns with me, about the hours I keep sometimes, deeply concerned that, I, too, am well rested. And to think

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com From: LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com In fact, the whole thing about not seeing other followers concerns group

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

2014-06-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Barry, over here for a sec, please. Just so I can record this accurately, how long since you last interacted with Maharishi, as a member of his org? I toss around the term 40 years, but that is strictly an approximation. Has it been longer? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Prof P-Dog and White Belt Black Belt Blah Blah

2014-06-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Welcome to our own Professor Prairie Dogus - scion of depthless, arrogant and ill-informed knowledge. Why arrogant? Because someone who presents themselves as knowledgeable without recognizing the temporality and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/2/2014 6:18 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: This is a lie, Lawson. The You can't see other spiritual teachers and still be allowed to go on TM courses thang has been present since long before there *were* any domes. It was drummed into TM teachers on their

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, freaky. I really don't want to see a picture of Barry's FFL Chart in his bedroom, as he describes it - with all the lines of red yarn, torn pictures of faces, and scribbled angry notes on it - Yow. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/2/2014 6:18 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And of course, for TM teachers to be dabbling in other practices while marketing TM as best is a bit contradictory as well. Again, WHY? Could it possibly be because it might suggest that the Maharishi dogma TM is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Wowzer. I don't think that's the issue Michael, this seeing of other teachers. That was not the problem the primary problem with RWC. Yes, if you became a follower, evidently there were consequences. But the situation

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I think Barry sorta missed the point of Steve's question. Key words: significant challenge. He means somebody like Robin. As I noted, Robin wasn't just another teacher, he was actively challenging the organization--the TMO,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Yes, freaky. I really don't want to see a picture of Barry's FFL Chart in his bedroom, as he describes it - with all the lines of red yarn, torn pictures of faces, and scribbled angry notes on it - Yow.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
that's bs Lawson - the no-no about seeing other teachers was instituted long before there were Domes - just ask any TM teacher who was a teacher in the 60's. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Your description of Marshy's behavior is consistent with accounts I have heard from other old time TM teachers. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It is only my opinion, but I think the number of people who were willing to go see Robin and to become part of his group is indicative of the shortcomings of both Marshy and his TMO - in other words, if either of them had been what they had claimed to be, no one would have looked twice at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

2014-06-02 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, I agree that at one stage of development, Purusha is isolated from Prakriti. But I think at more developed stages they are united. It says in the Veda: Brahman proclaims, My indestructible maya! On Sunday, June 1, 2014 9:59 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com It is only my opinion, but I think the number of people who were willing to go see Robin and to become part of his group is indicative of the shortcomings of both Marshy and his TMO - in other words, if

Re: [FairfieldLife] Prof P-Dog and White Belt Black Belt Blah Blah

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/2/2014 6:53 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Welcome to our own /Professor Prairie Dogus/ - scion of depthless, arrogant and ill-informed knowledge. Why arrogant? Because someone who presents themselves as knowledgeable without recognizing the temporality and incompleteness

Re: [FairfieldLife] Celibacy and kaivalya??

2014-06-02 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Emily, that is very funny, thanks for posting... On Sunday, June 1, 2014 9:06 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:   You can post the link, right?  I was just teasing...:)   This guy who developed Yin Yoga, Bernie Clark, is pretty funny. The

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lightmint vs EEG claptrap

2014-06-02 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Lawson, nice post and thanks too for the Maharishi quote about spiritual and material. On Monday, June 2, 2014 5:43 AM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:   Eh, has it ever occurred to you that you might be wrong? The United Nations relief agencies

Re: [FairfieldLife] Prof P-Dog and White Belt Black Belt Blah Blah

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/2/2014 6:53 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The book /Zen Karate/ is rather remedial information for anyone trained in high-level security positions or police work. Strategies for disengaging or decelerating confrontation are standard training in those types of positions –

[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy and kaivalya??

2014-06-02 Thread cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I think that separation, or whatever, of puruSa and prakRti might well be the very reason for Baadaraayana's statement in the brahma-suutras: etena yogaH pratyuktaH : by this [argument in the previous suutra] yoga [also] is refuted (prati-ukta: counter-spoken?).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/2/2014 8:22 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: When Barry, for example, talks about the slights and alienation he endured while a TM teacher, the events are so fresh in his mind, the reader might be forgiven, thinking that Barry is a current TM teacher, who is just

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

2014-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008
I sincerely doubt the Turq interacted with Maharishi, ever. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Barry, over here for a sec, please. Just so I can record this accurately, how long since you last interacted with Maharishi, as a member of his org? I toss

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/2/2014 8:28 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes indeedy. Not being asleep at night is certainly the mark of a cult fanatic. I think it's rather strange to worry and calculate what time people around here post. When you've got nothing better to do, keeping track of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008
BINGO ! The Turq-fellow is a quitter and a spiritual loser lost in stuff that happened more than 40 - FORTY - years ago. The more he goes on and on about the past the more it becomes obvious that a) the poor soul never moved on as he claimed, b) his Buddhism has no effect in healing his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/2/2014 8:31 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Barry, over here for a sec, please. Just so I can record this accurately, how long since you last interacted with Maharishi, as a member of his org? I toss around the term 40 years, but that is strictly an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Even when I was still a TM junkie, I remember being somewhat discomfited when I would encounter people who had done TM, even become initiators and left, going on to other gurus because they were unhappy with Marshy and the lack of heart in the TMO - a lot of these folks went to that other

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prof P-Dog and White Belt Black Belt Blah Blah

2014-06-02 Thread Pundit Sir pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
awoelflebater The solution to gun carrying. Become a lethal weapon yourself so you don't have to carry one. (BTW, interesting post.) Learning a simple block and how to run might be an easier solution. Also, avoid hanging out at The Roadhouse. Raiders of the Lost Ark - Sword Fight

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008
All teachers, including Maharishi, want energy to move in one direction according to that particular tradition. Any real teacher will tell you mixing energy is not good. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : In fact, the whole thing about not seeing other followers

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : It is only my opinion, but I think the number of people who were willing to go see Robin and to become part of his group is indicative of the shortcomings of both Marshy and his TMO - in other words, if either of them had been

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008
Part of the reason why Maharishi managed to usher in the Age of Enlightenment was just this; he invited the assholes into his organization to neutralize the enormous stress they represented. Most evident in stress related to post WWII. Many of these people were very dangerous to themselves,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
People liked Muktananda because he would answer questions Maharishi wouldn't, especially those about sex. And then there are folks who are better suited to use a Shiva mantra. On 06/02/2014 08:20 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Even when I was still a TM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com It is only my opinion, but I think the number of people who were willing to go see Robin and to become part of his group is indicative of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

2014-06-02 Thread geezerfr...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Well put. Further, let's not forget that his jealously was not limited to followers seeing other teachers. He also pushed celibacy while not practicing it himself. More for me, less for you. Clever, I suppose.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Prof P-Dog and White Belt Black Belt Blah Blah

2014-06-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : awoelflebater The solution to gun carrying. Become a lethal weapon yourself so you don't have to carry one. (BTW, interesting post.) Learning a simple block and how to run might be an easier solution. Also, avoid hanging

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The interesting thing, Michael, is that Robin had many of the same complaints about the TMO that you do. So in that sense you're right. But note again, please, that Robin wasn't challenging Maharishi's teaching, to the contrary. He believed in it utterly, was totally committed to it. He

[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy and kaivalya??

2014-06-02 Thread emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
In the Yoga Sutra-s, Patanjali clearly demarcates two equal realities. Purusha and Prakrti are natively separate and don't require more separation to clarify them. They are inherently unmixed and eternally unmixable. Ashtanga yoga is the practice designed to foster viyoga - cognitive

[FairfieldLife] What Would MMY say to Dawkins and Hawking?

2014-06-02 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
He would have said their ideas are lacking wisdom. Please, see this explanation on the origin of the universe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIBXn_mr2Zg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIBXn_mr2Zg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Prof P-Dog and White Belt Black Belt Blah Blah

2014-06-02 Thread emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I read parts of it in a bookstore a long time ago, in a reality far, far away. I found it interesting to read but decided to not to purchase it. After 10 years of training, I was familiar with most of the ideas since they only require unbiased examination of our physical and social environment

[FairfieldLife] Mega-Earth Found

2014-06-02 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Its year lasts for only 45 days. How would you like to live in that planet? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/scientists-discovered-planet-thought-impossible-170448463.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/scientists-discovered-planet-thought-impossible-170448463.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Prof P-Dog and White Belt Black Belt Blah Blah

2014-06-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : I read parts of it in a bookstore a long time ago, in a reality far, far away. I found it interesting to read but decided to not to purchase it. After 10 years of training, I was familiar with most of the ideas since they only

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

2014-06-02 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
I liked what Robert Svoboda in his BATGAP interview had to say about celibate yogis, that they basically running around saying they're celibate until the opportunity arises and then afterward resume saying they are celibate. IOW, they are celibate for the moment only. :-D On 06/02/2014 08:58

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
but most people know Robin was more than a bit unbalanced From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You are, as always, as full of crap as the proverbial Christmas goose. I guess then that the supposed CIA agents who were in his presence, whom he denounced and had thrown out had already had their stress removed? And the 108's who were kicked out and told to leave after they ran out of money?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
You may have addressed this before I came on FFL , but were you still a student and got kicked out of MIU when you joined up with RC? Or did you just leave the university, or had you graduated when Robin came along? From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
you are right about that - Marshy wanted people's attention and slavish devotion lavished on him alone, and he wanted the energy of their money to flow in one direction only, from their wallets to his dhoti pockets, or excuse me from their pockets to the suitcases he gave to TM teachers to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Maharishi REALLY Hated Students 'Seeing Other Teachers'

2014-06-02 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I just skimmed this, and want to read it more carefully later. Your primary involvement predated mine. I had the opportunity to see MMY personally many times, but usually not in a small group, and usually not for administrative issues. But never during my time did this issue of seeing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Prof P-Dog and White Belt Black Belt Blah Blah

2014-06-02 Thread emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
And only a guy with no sense of humour would have taken my idea seriously. Now put 'em up. I've been asked this question/statement/claim many times. As a comprehender of the obvious, I hope you own a 12 gauge or 20 gauge pump shotgun, - for personal safety sake. Of course there isn't any crime

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Robin himself acknowledges he went over the edge toward the end of his decade of purported enlightenment. Whether he was more than a bit unbalanced up to that point is a different question, one that most people aren't in a position to know. (Some people on FFL think you're more than a bit

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The truth is that Barry was terribly threatened by Robin, and still is. When Robin was here, he was charismatic, intelligent, charming, and witty. He did have some strange ideas, but he didn't try to impose them on anybody. A few people didn't like him, but at least as many did, and he had many

[FairfieldLife] Re: Prof P-Dog and White Belt Black Belt Blah Blah

2014-06-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : And only a guy with no sense of humour would have taken my idea seriously. Now put 'em up. I've been asked this question/statement/claim many times. As a comprehender of the obvious, I hope you own a 12 gauge or 20 gauge pump

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Would MMY say to Dawkins and Hawking?

2014-06-02 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : What Would MMY say to Dawkins and Hawking? He would have said their ideas are lacking wisdom. He would undoubtably have said that. But he would have been talking bollocks, as usual. Aren't you even remotely bothered by

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : You may have addressed this before I came on FFL , but were you still a student and got kicked out of MIU when you joined up with RC? Or did you just leave the university, or had you graduated when Robin came along? I had

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
My understanding is that SSRS parted ways with MMY because SSRS wanted the TMO to teach SSRS's breathing techniques and that MMY say that SSRS would have to teach those in his own organization. MMY commented after SSRS left (seconds? minutes? weeks? years?) that meditators should beware of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy and kaivalya??

2014-06-02 Thread cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Maharishi on Union (yoga) vs. disunion (viyoga): Photo 1 - 2014-06-02 https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/14145317739/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/14145317739/ Photo 1 - 2014-06-02 https://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/14145317739/ Explore flickpulli's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I know nothing about CIA agents save the rumors. But, when I was discussing Purusha with someone on Purusha, they said that the TM organization encouraged people to find sponsors to keep them in the program. Even if they were wealthy, they were encouraged to spend other people's money, not

[FairfieldLife] SSRS teaches TM? Not really.

2014-06-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I keep hearing that SSRS' group teaches TM, but just because they use the TM puja, and perhaps admonish people not to try, doesn't mean they are teaching TM. As I understand it, their meditaiton technique is called Sahaj Samadhi Meditation or effortless samadhi meditation'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
I personally think that Robin went over teh edge as soon as he stopped meditating regularly. Why? Because Maharishi said over and over again, that the time when enlightenment dawns is the time of greatest unstressing and the time when regularity of practice is most vital. Robin

[FairfieldLife] KitKat?

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Today they had the Apple Developers Conference in San Francisco - Time Cook ripped Android to shreds. According to Cook, about 98% of Apple users are on iOS 7, according to the most recent Apple release. In contrast, only 9% of Android users are on KitKat, which is apparently the most recent

[FairfieldLife] Jace Badia: Overcoming and Healing Combat PTSD

2014-06-02 Thread nablusoss1008
Jace Badia: Overcoming and Healing Combat PTSD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1OZY00shbU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1OZY00shbU Jace Badia: Overcoming and Healing Combat PTSD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1OZY00shbU http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/veterans-day Since 2005

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Just curious - how did you find out you had been blacklisted? Did it come up next time you applied for some kind of rounding course? From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday,

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Would MMY say to Dawkins and Hawking?

2014-06-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
He gave a higher-order answer. Q: Maharishi, I'm confused about something, can you clarify from your perspective? A: In different states of enlightenment, having different perspectives means that what is confusing in one state, is irrelevant in another. He had no answer to give from

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story

2014-06-02 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
the 108's were long before purusha and if the purusha guy ws telling the the straight scoop, it was only doing what marshy himself did - he was rich and he always preferred to have people give him their money. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Celibacy and kaivalya??

2014-06-02 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 6/2/2014 3:03 PM, cardemais...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Maharishi on Union (yoga) vs. disunion (viyoga): I've often wondered why MMY chose the Bhagavad Gita to explain his spiritual system, rather than Patanjali's Yoga Sutras. So far as I know, TMers don't recite the Gita in

[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS teaches TM? Not really.

2014-06-02 Thread marty...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Something is very fishy about both the data and conclusions.

[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS teaches TM? Not really.

2014-06-02 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I keep hearing that SSRS' group teaches TM, but just because they use the TM puja, and perhaps admonish people not to try, doesn't mean they are teaching TM. Perhaps SSRS is enlightened and therefore giving a higher-order

[FairfieldLife] Re: SSRS teaches TM? Not really.

2014-06-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Perhaps he is. Perhaps he does. Or perhaps MMY was correct and meditators should beware of sweet poison. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I keep hearing that SSRS' group teaches

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Would MMY say to Dawkins and Hawking?

2014-06-02 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : He gave a higher-order answer. He didn't answer at all. Whether entropy increases or decreases requires a Y/N response. Someone's opinion of the origin of the universe is irrelevant, the answer is the same because the answer

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Would MMY say to Dawkins and Hawking?

2014-06-02 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
We have different perspectives. Answering not a clue, sorry certainly would have lowered his standing as a teacher, so instead he chose to answer a different question. By the way, you complained about how any real physicist would have seen how bogus his answer was... You're aware

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Would MMY say to Dawkins and Hawking?

2014-06-02 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : We have different perspectives. You can't have different perspectives on math. 2+2=4 no matter what your EEG's are doing. Answering not a clue, sorry certainly would have lowered his standing as a teacher, so instead he

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