Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Coincidentally, I happened upon this exchange while watching a TV documentary by Richard Dawkins. The things he said were IMO just more classic Dawkins-stiff-dick-atheism, but the things said by the believers he interviewed captured for me why I don't find Fairfield Life interesting enough to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Carl Sagan

2014-08-12 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The late, great scientist, mass communicator, and humanitarian Carl Sagan was not known to mince words whether speaking about the cosmos or those who offer cosmic consciousness for sale. These two passages are from his New York

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread salyavin808
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : While its impossible to say for sure that it would have prevented it, what if Williams had learned TM during his last visit to a rehab centre earlier this year? Or maybe it would have driven him over the edge? Depends what was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Carl Sagan

2014-08-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The late, great scientist, mass communicator, and humanitarian Carl Sagan was not known to mince words whether speaking about the cosmos or those who offer cosmic consciousness for sale.

[FairfieldLife] Find that ball !

2014-08-12 Thread nablusoss1008
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[FairfieldLife] ..menstrual hospital of live- a period piece..

2014-08-12 Thread merudanda
Robin Williams dies: Hollywood's comic genius is found dead aged 63 in apparent suicide http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/robin-williams-dies-actorcomedian-is-found-dead-aged-63-9662979.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Carl Sagan

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Did you know the TMO has started claiming they ended apartheid in South Africa too? There was me thinking it was worldwide protests and organised boycotting of banks and businesses that had business dealings in the country. Silly me. Now that is a piece of information that I did not know,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
turq, I actually think TM helps prevent becoming a TB. TB simply is someone in whom the same neural pathways are firing over and over. You can tell by what they say and how they say it, same thing in the same way. It happens as people get older. I'm glad I still do TM so there's less chance of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com   turq, I actually think TM helps prevent becoming a TB. And I think that you're a TM True Believer repeating this sad meme because someone TOLD it to you. They did, didn't they? And now you repeat it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It's obvious you care about people, turq, and that's a really good thing. Hope you're having a good day. On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 6:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:   From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: The Gaza attack tunnels.

2014-08-12 Thread wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]
From: wle...@aol.com To: fairfieldl...@yahoo.com Sent: 8/6/2014 8:45:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Fwd: The Gaza attack tunnels. -Original Message- From: DON LOOS l.donaldl...@gmail.com To: Don Loos l.donaldl...@gmail.com Sent:

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Fw: A Jewish Boycott

2014-08-12 Thread wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]
From: l.donaldl...@gmail.com To: l.donaldl...@gmail.com Sent: 7/30/2014 8:23:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Fw: A Jewish Boycott

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I am surprised that ABC didn't trot out George Stephanopolus, Soledad O'Brien and Grinning Bob Roth to claim TM is the best thing for for depression. But I make a non-jyotish prediction - they will do it in the very near future. From: dmevans...@yahoo.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Om jeez that is depressing news this morning about Robin Williams. He really should not have ought gone and done that. Dang. Double dang. I'll miss him. Next thing we'll learn was that Robin learned to meditate at one point and the anti-meditation lobby here will tell us here that it was all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 8:29 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Om jeez that is depressing news this morning about Robin Williams. He really should not have ought gone and done that. Dang. Double dang. I'll miss him. Next thing we'll learn was that Robin learned to meditate at one

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 8:11 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am surprised that ABC didn't trot out George Stephanopolus, Soledad O'Brien and Grinning Bob Roth to claim TM is the best thing for for depression. But I make a non-jyotish prediction - they will do it in the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Coincidentally, I happened upon this exchange while watching a TV documentary by Richard Dawkins. The things he said were IMO just more classic Dawkins-stiff-dick-atheism, but the things said by the believers he interviewed captured

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
He wouldn't have even needed to learn TM in order for TM to be blamed. Robin Williams was in Jumanji, which is kind of an Indianish sounding name. Bam! TM is to blame!---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote : Om jeez that is depressing news this morning about Robin

[FairfieldLife] Re: ..menstrual hospital of live- a period piece..

2014-08-12 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Robin Williams dies: Hollywood's comic genius is found dead aged 63 in apparent suicide http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/robin-williams-dies-actorcomedian-is-found-dead-aged-63-9662979.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 6:55 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It's obvious you care about people, turq, and that's a really good thing. Hope you're having a good day. If the TB really cared about people, Share, he would teach them how to levitate. If anyone was able to lift

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
*From:* Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com turq, I actually think TM helps prevent becoming a TB. On 8/12/2014 6:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And I think that you're a TM True Believer repeating this sad

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 6:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Meanwhile, last I checked, the person believing this is an out-of-work programmer with serious weight and health problems /Now this is funny/ - an out-of-work programmer with serious weight and health problems

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 6:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: All because Maharishi Mahesh Yogi -- so ego-bound himself that he felt the need to present *everything* he ever said or taught as the best -- told Lawson that he was one of the best because he learned and practiced

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Carl Sagan

2014-08-12 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The late, great scientist, mass communicator, and humanitarian Carl Sagan was not known to mince words whether speaking about the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 6:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: This is what I believe, I believe it because it's true, I know this and you don't, and you bloody well have to STOP saying things that contradict or criticize these true things that I believe. It's the gift that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Steve, I've just been introduced to some books that take a biochemical approach to emotions and moods. Sort of reminds me of long, long ago when they categorized people by which of the four humors were dominant in their body. Anyway, addiction is a multi layered problem and I think must be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, I think different people show caring in different ways (-: On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:06 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:   On 8/12/2014 6:55 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:   It's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
He never did TM From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It   Om jeez that is depressing news this morning about

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 6:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm just ranting about it a little because I'm tired of it. I've seen these SAME arguments played out, often by the SAME people, for almost 20 years now. They've been talking about how special TM is and how special

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Nope, TM is not to blame and Jumanji was a fun movie to watch. From: j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Share, believing stuff is built into the human psychology, it helps us learn, but ultimately there is a price to pay for this wired-in gullibility. I was sceptical from a fairly early age, but that does not mean I did not rather consistently fall into various belief traps. If you get the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
I'd rather chat with people who have their own ideas, and quite frankly you almost never find that among True Believers. On 8/12/2014 8:44 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *...your description of Lawson is without evidence of any heart on your part. He made, what I felt to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, I think different people show caring in different ways (-: If that's true then where is the line actually crossed into non-caring? Or does non-caring even exist in your world? Can everything have a positive spin applied to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ann, yes I see that there is non caring in the world. What I explore is what is the most beneficial way to deal with non caring. Hope this helps you sleep better tonight (-: On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:02 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
This is the stuff that cultists thrive on and find interesting. I guess I'm really not one of them any more, because at this point I find it repetitive and boring. On 8/12/2014 8:44 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *For once, find the place in yourself where you can feel

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
MJ and turq, since he does TM twice a day, should we blame it for what salyavin posts here? (-: On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:55 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:   Nope, TM is not to blame and Jumanji was a fun movie to watch.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quiet Time Meditating

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Xeno, this is one of those beautiful posts of yours that is a delight to read, flowing in the sentences as in a clear and bracing river, the sunlight streaming through the leaves of trees along the banks.  Decades ago some Jehovah Witnesses told me that TM is the work of the devil. I replied

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
As I have stated before, many times, there are those who do TM who still lead balanced lives, have good sense, don't allow themselves to be fooled by Movement bs and generally act like they have some sense. Most of these do not participate on FFL. TM becomes a problem when the practice of it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
So MJ, are you saying that sometimes practicing TM is a good thing? On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:21 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:   As I have stated before, many times, there are those who do TM who still lead balanced

[FairfieldLife] Āloka David Smith: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 08/12/2014

2014-08-12 Thread 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]
blog updates from Buddha at the Gas Pump https://gallery.mailchimp.com/e709a491029b04e745834d34d/images/star.gif If you are not doing so already, please consider donating a minimum of $1 or $2 per month to help offset basic monthly expenses associated with hosting, MailChimp, etc. Of

[FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sometimes real science does come in handy: Otis (1984) described a study done at Stanford Research Institute in 1971 to determine the negative effects of Transcendental Meditation. SRI mailed a survey to every twentieth person on the Students International Meditation Society (TM's parent

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Michael you've stated that it's fine for salyavin to practice TM. And you've also shared that you're happy when you talk someone out of doing TM. So it sounds like you're saying that TM is good for some people and that only you and salyavin are capable of saying who it's good for. On

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
like Steve and Willy you love to make stuff up - I have never make such a statement nor even alluded to such a thing. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Michael, I simply followed the logic of what you've said. You've said that it's fine with you that salyavin does TM. You've also shared how you like talking people out of doing TM. So what's the difference between salyavin and those people? On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:29 AM, Share Long

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Probably about everybody and their dog learned TM in Marin county in the 1970s. As well as this, that and everything else. It was the thing to do. I'd be surprised if Williams didn't. Of course if he did then some would say he needed a checking. BTW, I checked a few people with mental

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Fortunately Bhairitu that idea that a person just needs a checking is quickly becoming a misunderstanding  of the past. On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:03 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:   Probably about everybody and their dog

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com   Fortunately Bhairitu that idea that a person just needs a checking is quickly becoming a misunderstanding  of the past. Quickly becoming? It's been 50 years.

[FairfieldLife] Bible - Quotations involving abuses, ethnic cleansing, gratuitous violence etc

2014-08-12 Thread uns_tres...@yahoo.ca [FairfieldLife]
Several years ago, round about 2006 or so, someone posted a list of passages in the Bible describing atrocities of one sort or another - ethnic cleansing, murders, misc abuses etc etc, making the point that because something is in the Bible, it does not follow that it is good. It could easily

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
If RW had done TM at any point, the Movement would have trumpeted it all over town. I just learned from my mother that one of my cousins had the job of driving an 18 wheeler loaded with some of the camera equipment used to film Patch Adams, the part that was filmed in Asheville. He took my

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I was referring to your absurd statement that I believe only Sal and I knew who TM was good for. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:

[FairfieldLife] When meditation is not enough

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The Peace of Wild Things When despair grows in me and I wake in the middle of the night at the least sound in fear of what my life and my children's lives may be, I go and lie down where the wood drake rests in his beauty on the water, and the great heron feeds. I come into the peace of wild

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Duveyoung
I taught a guy who was pre-nutzoid. Even in the three-days checking he was giving responses that were not handled by the checking notes. I had him down to 3 minutes of mantra and then feeling the body for the rest of the 20 minutes -- this is the therapy I was guided into giving the guy AFTER

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Michael, it's just logic. If you think TM is bad for everyone, then you should be trying to convince salyavin to stop doing it. OTOH, if you say that it's fine for salyavin to do TM, then by logical extension you're saying that it's fine for other people to do TM. Which is it? And if it's the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Edg, how long ago did that happen? On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:29 AM, Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:   I taught a guy who was pre-nutzoid.  Even in the three-days checking he was giving responses that were not handled by the checking notes.  I had him down to 3 minutes of

Re: [FairfieldLife] When meditation is not enough

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
beautiful, MJ, and wishing this for all the creatures in the universe... On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:24 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:   The Peace of Wild Things When despair grows in me and I wake in the middle of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
What did Jerry say about it? From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It   I taught a guy who was pre-nutzoid.  Even in the three-days checking he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FYI, a local source close to the investigation says Williams hung himself. On 08/11/2014 05:09 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: The radio hosts on SF's Talk910 (talk910.com) have been talking it because they knew him. They're a bit choked up. On 08/11/2014 04:16

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
In your case I suggest that you stop doing all TM stuff and see a psychiatrist. A real one. Not a TM phoney like Bob Schneider who lectures on vedic psychiatry. And by the way, if you think what you write here has ANYTHING to do with logic, you really do need a head shrinker.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Michael, you said that it's fine with you that salyavin does TM. Yet your posts paint TM as totally bad. That's the illogic I see in what you write here. On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:29 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:   Michael,

[FairfieldLife] Re: When meditation is not enough

2014-08-12 Thread emilymae...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thank you Michael. I love this. My college kid took an online class over Winter Break last year on Environmental Literature and this was one of the pieces she wrote about. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The Peace of Wild Things When despair grows in me and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : As I have stated before, many times, there are those who do TM who still lead balanced lives, have good sense, don't allow themselves to be fooled by Movement bs and generally act like they have some sense. Most of these do not

[FairfieldLife] Re: When meditation is not enough

2014-08-12 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The Peace of Wild Things When despair grows in me and I wake in the middle of the night at the least sound in fear of what my life and my children's lives may be, I go and lie down where the wood drake rests in his beauty on the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I taught a guy who was pre-nutzoid. Even in the three-days checking he was giving responses that were not handled by the checking notes. I had him down to 3 minutes of mantra and then feeling the body for the rest of the 20

[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Ah! Procrastination. TM helped me by increasing my ability to procrastinate by a factor of 10. I think the cross-wiring between TM and pseudo-science is particularly damaging. because it reduces people's ability to discern whether the practice or practises and whatnot are actually helping them,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 10:21 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sometimes real science does come in handy: The poor Nerd, he doesn't even realize that Lawson and Judy ripped to shreds years ago these so-called German Study on TM. Otis (1984) described a study done at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Not totally. As has been covered in many posts here and elsewhere, the practice of the technique itself does seem to cause mental/emotional problems in many people. It is really a crap shoot as to who will benefit from TM and who will have detriment from it. The TM apologists would say Oh,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I realize you have reading comprehension problems, but this post references far more than the German study, you idiot. From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 10:35 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: like Steve and Willy you love to make stuff up - I have never make such a statement nor even alluded to such a thing. Maybe we should look up what Michael has posted to the group:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 11:17 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I was referring to your absurd statement that I believe only Sal and I knew who TM was good for. It's not all that absurd since everyone knows you've been trying to tell us what to believe for months and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 10:56 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Michael, I simply followed the logic of what you've said. You've said that it's fine with you that salyavin does TM. You've also shared how you like talking people out of doing TM. So what's the difference between

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 11:29 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Michael, it's just logic. If you think TM is bad for everyone, then you should be trying to convince salyavin to stop doing it. OTOH, if you say that it's fine for salyavin to do TM, then by logical extension you're

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 11:50 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: In your case I suggest that you stop doing all TM stuff and see a psychiatrist. A real one. Not a TM phoney like Bob Schneider who lectures on vedic psychiatry. Character assassination is a deliberate and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Michael, if you really believed that it's as you say, a crap shoot, then your posts about TM would be at least 50% positive. But they are not. I'd say they're about 95% negative. To follow your analogy, I think you're attempting to slip some loaded dice into the game! On Tuesday, August 12,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Not totally. As has been covered in many posts here and elsewhere, the practice of the technique itself does seem to cause mental/emotional problems in many people. It is really a crap shoot as to who will benefit from TM and who will

[FairfieldLife] Do you listen, Mr. Tolle?

2014-08-12 Thread nablusoss1008
“What is the NOW?“ Squaw Valley, 29. Aug. 1968 Question: Our best philosophy has been that we live for the moment. And your philosophy tells us what time is, but can you tell us what the moment is, what now is, and how we can find this in our own minds and perceptions? ... MAHARISHI MAHESH

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Bhairitu and all, Robin Williams chart shows he had a predisposition for depression. Specifically, he had the conjunction of Rahu and the Moon in Aquarius, and Saturn was placed in the 8th house from the Moon. Since Rahu is currently transiting Virgo, the same 8th house from the natal Moon,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Re He never seemed to break from his crazy person persona. : 'People think they know you. They expect you to be literally like you are on TV or in the movies, bouncing off the walls. A woman in an airport once said to me, Be zany! People always want zany, goofy sh-t from me. It takes a lot of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Re He never seemed to break from his crazy person persona. : 'People think they know you. They expect you to be literally like you are on TV or in the movies, bouncing off the walls. A woman in an airport once said to me, Be zany! People always want zany, goofy sh-t from me. It takes a lot of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I have spent too much time around the real true believers,esp in Fairfield and I have seen the devastation it creates in their lives. Now you can say it is their choice to be a believer, but that is the same as saying con artists like Bernie Madoff should not be blamed because his victims chose

Re: [FairfieldLife] Do you listen, Mr. Tolle?

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Absurd mindless circular blabber from a consummate con artist who was always afraid he was going to get a question he couldn't answer that would reveal his dog and pony show for what it was and is - a sham. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To:

[FairfieldLife] CNN Tonight: Soledad O'Brien 1-hour Special The War Comes Home. TM Helps!

2014-08-12 Thread Dick Mays dickm...@lisco.com [FairfieldLife]
The one hour special, THE WAR COMES HOME, debuts Tuesday, Aug. 12 at 9:00pm and will encore at 12:00am, and on Sunday, Aug. 17 at 7:00pm. All times Eastern on CNN/U.S. Beckett and Combs are invited to join the tenth group of veterans at an innovative therapy program based in Malibu, CA, called

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
I suspect he is finding out What Dreams May Come. On 08/12/2014 01:07 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Bhairitu and all, Robin Williams chart shows he had a predisposition for depression. Specifically, he had the conjunction of Rahu and the Moon in Aquarius, and Saturn was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Do you listen, Mr. Tolle?

2014-08-12 Thread nablusoss1008
In other words, MJ didn't understand a word of what Maharishi said. No news there :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Do you listen, Mr. Tolle?

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I understood it very well and saw it for what it was and called it accurately. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Do you listen, Mr. Tolle?  

[FairfieldLife] Re: ..menstrual hospital of live- a period piece..

2014-08-12 Thread merudanda
Robin Williams - Spark of Madness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2SliEAGamw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2SliEAGamw Robin Williams - Spark of Madness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2SliEAGamw A fantastic quote from Robin Williams. I actually have no idea which show this was from,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]
Note that I said during the rehab visit. Obviously, for people with problems that are bad enough that they're voluntarily having themselves checked into special programs, TM-by-itself might not be the best thing to do (Self-medication for extreme situations is never a good idea, if you have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Given the unstressing phenomenon TM is NOT a good idea for anyone with any kind of major mental problems. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 6:46 PM Subject:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Duveyoung
It was circa 1974 in Napa, CA.I don't actually remember if we got Jerry to respond or not...called the SF Center, Called Berkeley Center, called TM Headquarters in SoCal. We did get many suggestions, but the fire-incident happened pretty quickly -- about day 10 of being a meditator -- and so,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditation and Science

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 12:52 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I realize you have reading comprehension problems, but this post references far more than the German study, you idiot. In a twenty year study of the effects of TM on long term TM meditators by Stein and

[FairfieldLife] Post Count Wed 13-Aug-14 00:15:03 UTC

2014-08-12 Thread FFL PostCount ffl.postco...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 08/09/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 08/16/14 00:00:00 349 messages as of (UTC) 08/13/14 00:12:36 70 'Richard J. Williams' punditster 57 Michael Jackson mjackson74 33 Share Long sharelong60 27 awoelflebater 25 Bhairitu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
And yet TM seems to be helping military personnel with PTSD! On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 6:03 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:   Given the unstressing phenomenon TM is NOT a good idea for anyone with any kind of major mental

Re: [FairfieldLife] Do you listen, Mr. Tolle?

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 3:14 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Absurd mindless circular blabber from a consummate con artist who was always afraid he was going to get a question he couldn't answer Fallacy. A fallacy is an argument that uses poor reasoning. that would

Re: [FairfieldLife] Do you listen, Mr. Tolle?

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 4:08 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: In other words, MJ didn't understand a word of what Maharishi said. No news there :-) It's here now, wasn't it?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 10:18 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: As I have stated before, many times, there are those who do TM who still lead balanced lives, have good sense, don't allow themselves to be fooled by Movement bs and generally act like they have some sense. Non

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 11:03 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Probably about everybody and their dog learned TM in Marin county in the 1970s. As well as this, that and everything else. It was the thing to do. I'd be surprised if Williams didn't. Of course if he did then

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 8/12/2014 11:14 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Fortunately Bhairitu that idea that a person just needs a checking is quickly becoming a misunderstanding of the past. Checking is based on a prepared QA and it works for many people. Then there are some people

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
On my TTC (circa 1976), we were given some exceptions to teaching people we suspected of having some psychological problems. One was the inability to form complete sentences (sorta like a meth freak). I think someone mentioned more later on. In other forms of meditation it is not advised to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
Grounding out is what is recommended. TM can increase the ether element and thus is not exactly grounding. There are actually mantras which can increase groundedness. On 08/12/2014 04:00 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Given the unstressing phenomenon TM is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Geeze! Do you think all the info from the TM Movement is honest and reliable! Golly Marcia Brady, I would love to do TM too! From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Damn It

2014-08-12 Thread Duveyoung
TM might help many, but many may be beyond any help when TM arrives in their lives, and out of desperation they grab onto TM, and TM's long-term effects (unknown for each person) are just too little too late to stop the flood cuz the dam has already burst. They're goners.Aaaand,

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