[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-11 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Top posting: You're just too modest so I added your name for you: nablusoss1008: 11 Oh, uh thanks ;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-11 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 11, 2008, at 12:17 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: snip Someone on a Buddhist newsgroup once asked what the difference between TM and just daydreaming was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-11 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-11 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: On a scale from 1 - 10, where 10 = normal, good people with alot of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-11 Thread Vaj
On Feb 11, 2008, at 12:17 AM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip The main distinction between TM and other mantra meditation techniques is in how it's taught,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-11 Thread pratap Mahapatra
Hi, I worked for TMO for 8 years. I can say with certainty that he was not a fraud but some of his projects and talks were half truth or half lie with some kind of motivation may be for financial gain or something. P wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I appreciate all

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-11 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to MMY, FWIW, he became enlightened (he didn't refer to it that way, but it's clearly what he was implying) by a sort of spiritual osmosis, by very closely studying Guru Dev and attempting to achieve a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-11 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: On a scale from 1 - 10, where 10 = normal, good people with alot of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-11 Thread Angela Mailander
Thanks, Sandy Ego, I totally agree. It is not difficult to communicate with the common fungus or the house cat (the Lady Greymeer at my Sans Souci) if you can just shut up your chattering mind. That is why Mohamed said of animals that they are perfect Muslims--a Muslim being one who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: On a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, that would be me. Value the practice, in its 20 min twice a day version, but reject what MMY did to his organization in the end. And what are your feelings about MMY? Do you believe he is an enlightened

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just wondering if any of you believe that MMY was fraud but still value his practice. Paul Mason said he is still pro-TM which is hard to believe considering the information on his website. Any thoughts

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote: I'm just wondering if any of you believe that MMY was fraud but still value his practice. Paul Mason said he is still pro-TM which is hard

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just finished reading a lot of the information on tm-free blog. my head it sort of reeling of course. I've had mixed feelings about TMO and Maharishi in general, but I have believed in the benefits of TM. If I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread wvansant111
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wvansant111 Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 11:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just finished reading a lot of the information on tm-free blog. my head it sort of reeling of course. I've had mixed feelings about TMO and Maharishi in general, but I have believed in the benefits of TM. If I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also,seeing some of the realities at the Ideal Girls School was an interesting experience. Seeing that reality did not match the ideals. Do you care to share what some of these inconsistencies were?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Peter
11:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY? Yep, that would be me. Value the practice, in its 20 min twice a day version, but reject what MMY did to his organization in the end

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really do appreciate everyone's responses. Yes, the people here are exremely insightful. Hehe, you got it ! :-) You want knowledge and understand then you have come to the right place. Please pay particular

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread new . morning
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wvansant111 Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 11:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY? Yep, that would be me. Value the practice, in its 20

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Duveyoung
Wvansant111, In case you don't know, nablusoss1008 is one of the cruelest, sludge-mouthed, deeply flawed, hateful, serial concept killers on the Web. He probably dresses like a Goth, but there's no mistaking that he attacks like a Hun. I found your insights open and honest. Please don't let

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread new . morning
On Behalf Of wvansant111 Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 11:19 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY? I've just finished reading a lot of the information on tm-free blog. my head it sort of reeling of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread curtisdeltablues
It takes quite awhile to get clarity about who's who and get comfortable posting for/to the minds you resonate with instead of posting to counter the scribbling of the black hearted creeps. Nice to welcome a newcomer Edg. But black hearted creeps? I can't think of a singe person I would

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Duveyoung
Okay, so I went over the top. Sue me. Black hearted creeps was me being a black-hearted-creep for enough time to type my responses -- so, yeah, I hit the tar baby and now I got a black fist. Ick. I'll try harder, Curtis. Still, there's Off to consider, but with a little lithium that guy might

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread wvansant111
Edg, Thanks for the heads up...and his post pretty much spoke for itself. The tone of it was pretty off putting and reminded me of what a true believer sounds like when they are ranting...just that he's coming from another perspective. I've lurked on here for awhile and I can tell there's some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He was what he was...none of us will ever figure it out. And he did what he did...and none of us will ever figure that out, either. The only thing that anyone can say about him for sure is that he's dead. I think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread wvansant111
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wvansant111@ wrote: Also,seeing some of the realities at the Ideal Girls School was an interesting experience. Seeing that reality did not match the ideals. Do you care to share what some of

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:23 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY? Welcome back Nabby. We were wondering if you had gone

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread lurkernomore20002000
Thank you for your reply. One reason I was interested was that my wife is a part time teacher at a somewhat upper crust all girls school. (not boarding). And yes, fairly tight discipline and oversight of the girls is defintely a part of the program. That said, we have three kids, and my wife

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg, Thanks for the heads up...and his post pretty much spoke for itself. The tone of it was pretty off putting and reminded me of what a true believer sounds like when they are ranting...just that he's coming

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread curtisdeltablues
For once, Nablus1008 and I are in total agreement, except that I would have rated Curtis higher on the good people with a lot of wisdom scale. Thanks for the good word Turq but with my lack of spiritual practices I'm lucky I ranked as high as I did! I'll take it with thanks Nabby! --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a scale from 1 - 10, where 10 = normal, good people with alot of wisdom... Vaj :10 Turq/Barry Right: 9,5 Rick Archer : 9 drpetersutphen : 8 Curtisdeltablues: 7 ...and 1

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY? I'm a C student! What a bell curve. I'll continue

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ridiculously named TM-Free blog is anything *but* TM-Free. It's all TM, all the time. Unhealthy-TM-Obsession Blog is a more accurate description. I checked the blog out. Seems no more unhealthy than this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Larry
I don't have anything to add to the discussion - I think of this post as merely a vote to your OP - in the interest of a tally in whatever column you feel fit. yes, I still do TM, but I never 'practiced' it as I was pretty damn good at it right from the get go :) but I have a couple of kids

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Duveyoung
I'm a C student! What a bell curve. I'll continue this farce by adding my scores for these folks next to Knob's. And kudos to Knob for giving me such a high score after I gobsmacked him. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pitoykodako : 1 ? Dude, did you look at his pic. He might be a 10, as in 10, if I saw if correctly.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote: Edg, Thanks for the heads up...and his post pretty much spoke for itself. The tone of it was pretty off putting and reminded me of what

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: pitoykodako : 1 ? Dude, did you look at his pic. He might be a 10, as in 10, if I saw if correctly. Yeah, you definitely saw

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread curtisdeltablues
Damn, you hit that one out of the park Sista Sledge! Best post of the week and it is only Sunday. Really well said! I agree that FFL is excellent for helping to get a handle on how you feel about the movement, among other things. Great intellectual resource. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Duveyoung
Ditto -- she did us a good one. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn, you hit that one out of the park Sista Sledge! Best post of the week and it is only Sunday. Really well said! I agree that FFL is excellent for helping to get a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Vaj
On Feb 10, 2008, at 1:58 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: I am coming to the very personal conclusions that: (1) MMY probably believed strongly in himself and his cause, but was manipulative, lacked empathy, was prone to exaggeration and I don't believe he was enlightened. He as the founder is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: pitoykodako : 1 ? Dude, did you look at his pic.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Feb 10, 2008, at 1:17 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sorry Sal, forgetting all about you for a while; straight 8, no doubt. :-) What, Nabs, not a 10? Thanks. Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: On a scale from 1 - 10, where 10 = normal, good people with alot of wisdom... Vaj :10 Turq/Barry Right: 9,5 Rick

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sticheau
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity ruthsimplicity@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: The ridiculously named TM-Free blog is anything *but*

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: The ridiculously named TM-Free blog is anything *but* TM-Free. It's all TM, all the time. Unhealthy-TM-Obsession Blog is a more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Duveyoung
If you hold a gun on me and forced me to recommend a spiritual program, I'd say that the only method for getting enlightened in today's world is to 1. read Ramana Maharishi's Talks five times, and 2. do self inquiry: meaning sincerely ask the question, Who am I? and then listen to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread lurkernomore20002000
I read ahead to some of the replies. I'm only sorry I wasn't the first to congratulate you on this fine analysis. Something like this done on a corporation for investment purposes- 10K, min. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread abutilon108
Our conclusions are so similar to mine (and least thus far on my journey). You've written them so concisely and clearly. Although I only visit FFL occasionally, I've been reading a lot since MMY's death. I too find it a valuable place for sorting out my thoughts and feelings about this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread abutilon108
I've pretty much read through this thread, wvansant111, and have really appreciated your open, straightforward posts in which you share your own unique story and questions. As background, I was a governor and heavily involved in the TMO at one time, then gradually drifted away with involvement

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Larry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you hold a gun on me and forced me to recommend a spiritual program, I'd say that the only method for getting enlightened in today's world is to 1. read Ramana Maharishi's Talks five times, and 2. do self

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread amarnath
Good Analysis! Thank You Very Much ! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, abutilon108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our conclusions are so similar to mine (and least thus far on my journey). You've written them so concisely and clearly. Although I only visit FFL occasionally, I've been

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, abutilon108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our conclusions are so similar to mine (and least thus far on my journey). You've written them so concisely and clearly. Although I only visit FFL occasionally, I've been reading a lot since MMY's death. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread wvansant111
Thanks, great analysis. Its weird, and I can't believe that I NEVER thought about this until now but I never liked the Sidhis. I did them regularly for only about a year or two but they just did nothing for me. Often, if in the dome, I would just do TM until flying because I didn't like the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread wvansant111
Thanks, I appreciate all these stories. I too felt effected by MMY's death in fact...I went to a group puja which I had not done in years and had a good cry. I was feeling weird and sad about MMY's dying and so came on here and of course...saw links to all sorts of things. I probably should

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The part that's hard for me to shake is that I do feel there is something to TM in general. But intellectually, it doesn't make sense. If MMY didn't really learn from Guru Dev and made it up how can it be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread abutilon108
Re: this quote from Domash's essay: The Shankaracharya tradition has preserved not only these sounds, but also a system of rules or formulae by which they are to be assigned to individuals, the idea being that a particular sound has a quality that resonates best with the structure of a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote: snip The part that's hard for me to shake is that I do feel there is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote: snip The part that's hard for me to shake is that I do feel there is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread wvansant111
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote: snip The part that's hard for me to shake is that I do feel there is something to TM in general. But intellectually, it doesn't make sense.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it isn't. Many of them would wonder why it isn't evident to everybody that he was a true saint. MMY did have some critics in India, but he also has a pretty substantial following there. A few millions only,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Vaj
On Feb 10, 2008, at 7:21 PM, wvansant111 wrote: Do you all feel this is true that the mantras come from Shankaracharya tradition? If so, that alleviates a lot of my concerns. Thanks. They're from the agamas and the tantras of the pre-Vedic religion and at a later date became a part of many

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread yifuxero
---Krishnamurti was largely (almost) Spiritually self-Awakened: It was there [Ojai, CA], in August 1922, that Krishnamurti went through an intense, life-changing experience.[38][39] It has been simultaneously, and invariably, characterised as a spiritual awakening, a psychological

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread wvansant111
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread curtisdeltablues
I'm trying to dig up that article - I read a bunch of different ones last night. Now I'm thinking Paul Mason might have been referencing someone else who went to India and sat down and interviewed the current Shankacharya who said that Maharishi never recieived teachings from Guru Dev and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm trying to dig up that article - I read a bunch of different ones last night. Now I'm thinking Paul Mason might have been referencing someone else who went to India and sat down and interviewed the current

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sgrayatlarge
Hey Curtis, You watching any of this on the MMY Channel? Memories of Noida! I wonder where the 1,000's who traveled to witness this are staying, as a major Mela is going on concurrently at the Sangam? Not a lot of hotels with vacant signs, I imagine it's not a party, but then again it's not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sparaig
Top posting: You're just too modest so I added your name for you: nablusoss1008: 11 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote: Edg, Thanks for the heads up...and his post pretty

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread curtisdeltablues
Is Lawson (sparaig) also posting as sgrayatlarge (who wrote the post you're responding to)? Thanks for catching that Judy. I was mistakenly responding to Lawson instead of Steve Grey who shared my experience in India. Sorry Steve! I don't know why I mix up their online names but this isn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Curtis, You watching any of this on the MMY Channel? Memories of Noida! I wonder where the 1,000's who traveled to witness this are staying, as a major Mela is going on concurrently at the Sangam? Not a lot of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I don't understand why you are so convinced that the Shankaracharya tradition is the shizzznizzzle? It is an institution that supports the caste system. It represents the most orthodox version of Hinduism.

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2008-02-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Hey Curtis, You watching any of this on the MMY Channel? Memories of Noida! I wonder where the 1,000's who traveled to witness this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: On a scale from 1 - 10, where 10 = normal, good people with alot of wisdom... Vaj :10 Turq/Barry Right: 9,5 Rick

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sgrayatlarge
No problem Curtis and thanks for the clarification Judy. Were you there for the MahaLakshmi Yagya at the beginning of the course? They had lifesize statues of the Vedic Masters on stage, I got to stand next to Shukadeva or perhaps Vyasa!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Hey Curtis, it was my post Steve Gray!! I'm sorry Steve! Nice to hear from you. The funny thing is that I kept taking all sorts of Ayurvedic shit when I got home so I kept reinfecting myself! Finally my dad got me

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No problem Curtis and thanks for the clarification Judy. Were you there for the MahaLakshmi Yagya at the beginning of the course? That was another high point. Standing on stage handing out prasad to the rioting

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sgrayatlarge
I think the course participants would have been much better off seeing real MD's over there to take the drugs to get better. I've been to India many times since, and have been turned around immediately with the local docs. -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sgrayatlarge
-Hey Curtis, it was my post Steve Gray!! Thanks for the memories, I never got that close to the couch, in fact once I tried to get near and I was kicked out of the front row, so I never bothered again. I remember you were really gone after taking all the Triguna stuff! My lasting imprint...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sgrayatlarge
-I agree, I could have left the course after that! The riot was a riot!!! So much for quiet moodmaking. The chair was cool and the Shankaracharya that was there didn't live much longer after that event. Kill for a Gulab -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sgrayatlarge
@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sgrayatlarge Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY? No problem Curtis and thanks for the clarification Judy. Were you

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of sgrayatlarge Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY? No problem Curtis and thanks for the clarification

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip The main distinction between TM and other mantra meditation techniques is in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip The main distinction between TM and other mantra meditation techniques is in how it's taught, particularly the great emphasis on effortlessness. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we're either there, or were not. most of us aren't. Only One is.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sandiego108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote: snip The part that's hard for me to shake is that I do feel there is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote: snip I'm trying to dig up that article - I read a bunch of different ones last night. Now I'm thinking Paul Mason might have been referencing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: Hey Curtis, You watching any of this on the MMY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 wvansant111@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, abutilon108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: this quote from Domash's essay: The Shankaracharya tradition has preserved not only these sounds, but also a system of rules or formulae by which they are to be assigned to individuals, the idea being that a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just finished reading a lot of the information on tm-free blog. my head it sort of reeling of course. I've had mixed feelings about TMO and Maharishi in general, but I have believed in the benefits of TM. If I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-09 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just finished reading a lot of the information on tm-free blog. my head it sort of reeling of course. I've had mixed feelings about TMO and Maharishi in general, but I have believed in the benefits of TM. If I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-09 Thread wvansant111
Well, you are right in a sense. If I gave up TM tomorrow I would still say its something that benefited my life. The truth is, I've been sleep deprived (raising small children) and irregular in my TM practice for the past 5 years or so. So I can't really judge if my TM practice is currently

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-09 Thread wvansant111
Yep, that would be me. Value the practice, in its 20 min twice a day version, but reject what MMY did to his organization in the end. And what are your feelings about MMY? Do you believe he is an enlightened saint? If you believed that TM doesn't come from a holy tradition does it

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-09 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wvansant111 Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 11:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY? Yep, that would be me. Value the practice

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-09 Thread Pitoy Ko Dako
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, that would be me. Value the practice, in its 20 min twice a day version, but reject what MMY did to his organization in the end. And what are your feelings about MMY? Do you believe he is an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-09 Thread curtisdeltablues
Take what you need and leave the rest. Profound question, profound answer. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wvansant111 Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 11:19 PM To:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Do you still practice TM but not believe in MMY?

2008-02-09 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wvansant111 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, that would be me. Value the practice, in its 20 min twice a day version, but reject what MMY did to his organization in the end. And what are your feelings about MMY? Do you believe he is an