--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote:
Rolfing is not (yet) approved. On one of the BatGap interviews, a woman said
she gave and received a lot of energy work before and after unfoldment. And
cited Rolfing (thats different from Ralphing) as a method for huge
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/273611
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On the other hand, where I see things differently to you,
is that I don't
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
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On Apr 1, 2011, at 11:37 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
Warning: Grammatically Challenged Reply:
I kind of get the impression that you are describing a very linear process.
For me it would be more like an experiential lab that a teacher went through,
using themselves as the experiment and the
On Apr 2, 2011, at 12:03 AM, Yifu wrote:
Vetting by resume can be helpful, but the bottom line: direct experience.
Vaj's family judged the book by the cover and thus missed out on something; a
frequent happenstance among intellectual elites who fail to take the plunge.
The Skeptic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
These points are interesting to me. There are two places
to start that end in the same conclusion for me.
1. You believe that chakra energy experiences are real,
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
Curtis,
Word of mouth can work.
To spread misinformation as well as good information. As social creatures we
are inordinately swayed in our beliefs by this.
Acupuncture, network-chiropractic, cranial-sacral are three
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
Curtis,
Word of mouth can work.
To spread misinformation as well as good information. As social creatures we
are inordinately
On Apr 2, 2011, at 11:20 AM, tartbrain wrote:
Rolfing is not (yet) approved. On one of the BatGap interviews, a woman said
she gave and received a lot of energy work before and after unfoldment. And
cited Rolfing (thats different from Ralphing) as a method for huge release
of emotional
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
...
Yes anecdotal evidence is compelling to those uneducated
to its psycological sway over its epistemological validity.
I suspect I'm inadvertently channeling Card here, but what
is the difference between
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@...
wrote:
Always good to consider an edit for simplification especially with a
potentially pretentious word like epistemological. In most conversations I
would not use it. But here on FFL life some posters like Doug use a system for
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wrote:
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
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People whose trust by the public is based on their
credentials certified by the state as a mental health
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...
Yes anecdotal evidence is compelling to those uneducated
to its psycological sway over its epistemological validity.
I suspect
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People whose trust by the public
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wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@
wrote:
Always good to consider an edit for simplification especially with a
potentially pretentious word like epistemological. In most
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote:
Many fascinating points! I'll comment below.
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Always good to
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People whose trust by the public is based on their
FWIW anxiety is a sx of many different psychological disorders.
The tx of anxiety would largely be based on what the underlying
disorder is.A simple phobia would be treated in much different
fashion than would the anxiety that is associated with a terminal
illness.A considerable
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shanti2218411 kc21d@... wrote:
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It seems to me mental health professionals who use forms of
therapy such as chakra therapy have an ethical and professional
obligation to identify a clear theoretical framework and a body
of evidence to support using
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
Curtis,
Word of mouth can work.
To spread misinformation as well as good information. As social creatures we
are inordinately
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
Curtis,
Word of mouth can work.
To spread
On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:06 PM, emptybill wrote:
We've been over this before. In Buddhism, samaadhi means dharana
while dhyana-samaapatti is absorption in meditation.
Transcendence is a western concept. In Sanskrit, the term
(taraatitaa) is not officially used also (in Buddhism). Sometimes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote:
I would try askjeeeves.com. It is probably a very common occurance, and
jeeves can likely offer some sound advice about it. Dear Jeeves, my
kundalini is on fire and I am writhing around like a snake here at 3:00
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
I would try askjeeeves.com. It is probably a very common occurance, and
jeeves can likely offer some sound advice about it. Dear Jeeves,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote:
These points are interesting to me. There are two places to start that end in
the same conclusion for me.
1. You believe that chakra energy experiences are real, valuable and can be
distinguished from the possible
On Apr 1, 2011, at 12:10 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
Here are the problems I see. First who has the training in both
mental health and chakras to a level that there can be a definitive
diagnosis of one or the other paradigm? The Catholic church sends
all exorcism cases to a psychiatrist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
These points are interesting to me. There are two places
to start that end in the same conclusion for me.
1. You believe that chakra energy experiences are real,
valuable and can be distinguished from the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
Basically the only people who are doing this do a lengthy
psychological evaluation and profile, along with long questionnaire
and interview of all the various developmental issues one dealt with
in their lives. Then and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@
wrote:
These points are interesting to me. There are two places
to start that end in the same conclusion for me.
1. You believe that chakra
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@ wrote:
These points are interesting to me. There are two places to start that end
in the same conclusion for me.
1. You believe that
On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:31 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
Basically the only people who are doing this do a lengthy
psychological evaluation and profile, along with long questionnaire
and interview of all the various
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
snip
The limiting factor in my case was my family. They'd
dealt with and known various yogis and lamas in the
Himalayas for many decades before I was born. None of
them, not one trusted Mahesh. ALL refused any
instruction in TM.
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curtisdeltablues@... wrote:
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
These points are interesting to me. There are two
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
On Apr 1, 2011, at 1:31 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
Basically the only people who are doing this do a lengthy
psychological evaluation and profile, along
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
That's a really good question, but I suspect my answer might seem a
lot simpler than you expected. Really the criteria should be no
different from any other professional you might want to hire. All of my
current teachers had a
Vetting by resume can be helpful, but the bottom line: direct experience. Vaj's
family judged the book by the cover and thus missed out on something; a
frequent happenstance among intellectual elites who fail to take the plunge.
The Skeptic Michael Shermer is a typical example, although he did
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@...
wrote:
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote:
According to HHDL, awareness of the subtle energy of the body, and
the ability to effect it, begins once one can transcend for about
4 hours.
The Frederick Lenz - Rama guy I worked with always said
(and interestingly, so did
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
The Rama guy refused to teach any of his students anything
he considered advanced until they could maintain the
completely thoughtless state for several hours. That was
what he considered the brown belt level of meditation.
One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was most
interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico asking about more
guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for services at MUM with this for
people who would need help with that, besides meditating. It
On Mar 31, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Buck wrote:
One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was
most interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico
asking about more guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for
services at MUM with this for people who would need
Unguided practice. My biggest complaint about TM and the TM siddhis. As long
as progress is slow and gentle, not a problem for the most part. But when
experiences begin to move into self transcendence and all the cognitive and
emotional uproar this will create, you need a guru.
Peter
On Mar
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On the Ayurveda training course with Chopra
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@... wrote:
I hope she's doing okay now. If you're having intense kundalini the last
thing you want to do are asanas! She needed to go out and have an emergency
hamburger or two!
If your kundalini is on fire the last thing you
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I hope she's doing okay now. If you're
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
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Unguided practice. My biggest complaint about TM and the TM siddhis. As
long as progress is slow and gentle, not a
We've been over this before. In Buddhism, samaadhi means dharana while
dhyana-samaapatti is absorption in meditation.
Transcendence is a western concept. In Sanskrit, the term
(taraatitaa) is not officially used also (in Buddhism). Sometimes
transcendence is used by western educated people as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote:
One of the Bobby Roth TM questioners last week that I thought was most
interesting was the young woman MUM student from New Mexico asking about
more guidance with chakra energy work and hoping for services at MUM
with this for
I would try askjeeeves.com. It is probably a very common occurance, and
jeeves can likely offer some sound advice about it. Dear Jeeves, my
kundalini is on fire and I am writhing around like a snake here at 3:00
am. Can you please give some advice on what to do.
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
She's doing great now. Awakened after leaving the movement and sitting
with
various satsang teachers.
Glad to hear it Rick. Of course she couldn't get enlightened while in
the movment. that wouldn't be kosher. And with
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