[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-17 Thread Richard J. Williams
How many times do we have to hear that they've moved on with their life? Curtis wrote: I would like to see even one example of me saying this. Well, you once said that you meditate on playing your guitar these days. So, I guess that you meant that you had moved on with your life. But,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-17 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many times do we have to hear that they've moved on with their life? Curtis wrote: I would like to see even one example of me saying this. Well, you once said that you meditate on playing

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread R.G.
(sNiP) P.s. How's Atlantic City treating you (and vice-versa?). Yikes, not Atlantic City! I'm on the Jersey shore, but in a town much farther north, and much *quieter*. I'm loving it. To be able to walk few steps and stand with my back to civilization, looking out on pure nature

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip What I am trying to express which I guess I haven't said clearly is that I did everything asked of me (meditation in the am/pm, becoming TM teacher, initiating 1000+, teaching residence/prep courses, several 6 month

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I personally don't think support of nature is a useful concept on a practical basis, because even if it exists, there's no way to *identify* it. I mean, one could suggest that you were experiencing support of

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread curtisdeltablues
Ruth: There is no sin in thinking that maybe TM just doesn't work for you. Blasphemer! Methinks a witch has spoken that which must never be uttered. I'm beginning to think that TM was just oversold by the hyperbole loving Maharishi. Meditation of some sort has a place in many people's lives

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi on support of Nature: Transcendental Meditation makes the active mind fully silent, spontaneously, and that silence remains when one comes out of meditation, then the mind remains silent and remains

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread curtisdeltablues
Enlightenment means lack of darkness, absence of darkness. And absence of darkness means no mistake, no weakness, no shortcoming—success everywhere, fulfillment of desire everywhere. That is enlightenment. One is living in full accord with Natural Law. Spontaneously Nature is supporting us:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread Kenny H
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no sin in thinking that maybe TM just doesn't work for you. Well I would not say that at all. It just did not do what I thought it would in the ways it would. I was looking for external proof in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread Richard J. Williams
One is living in full accord with Natural Law. Spontaneously Nature is supporting us: then we are not in the dark about anything. Curtis wrote: Got that step right up and witness the miraculous results of Dr. Pennybockers secret snake oil remedy tonic elixer vibe, doesn't it? Why

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread curtisdeltablues
Why are you so trollish, Curtis? I don't think you understand how this word is used. You see, you are different from the Maharishi so you don't have to get mad if I say something about him. If I say something rude to you like for example shut your pie hole (a phrase I would never use due to

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: snip What I am trying to express which I guess I haven't said clearly is that I did everything asked of me (meditation in the am/pm, becoming TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . TM always works I suspect. But that doesn't mean it affects specific issues because they may not be related to what TM actually DOES. Lawson Always works to do what?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
graaat (sarcasm) ... se ya at the reunion.nbsp; Human life on earth is absolutely rediculous.nbsp; The point is to see beyond that. --- On Mon, 6/16/08, sparaig lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: sparaig lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: . TM always works I suspect. But that doesn't mean it affects specific issues because they may not be related to what TM actually DOES.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: . TM always works I suspect. But that doesn't mean it affects specific

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Maharishi on support of Nature: Enlightenment means lack of darkness, absence of darkness. And absence of darkness means no mistake, no

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread Richard J. Williams
Why are you so trollish, Curtis? Curtis wrote: I don't think you understand how this word is used. A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses? Like Curtis, Ruth, Vaj, and Barry? Why can't they just be honest and accept that they're trolling? Why do they have to

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread curtisdeltablues
How many times do we have to hear that they've moved on with their life? I would like to see even one example of me saying this. Your rants are sinking you into irrelevance Richard. I was one of the few here who continued to respond to your posts. Are you trying to wear me down with

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-16 Thread Kenny H
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't they just be honest and accept that they're trolling? Why do they have to make things up all the time? For what purpose? If they've moved on with their life, what are they doing on a news

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading many thousands of posts first at alt.tm then here I have the idea of writing a book about what I think of as The Other Side of Spiritual Growth. With the new wave of Oprah-Eckhart Tolle, every magazine in

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps no one would be interested in reading stories from people who were in a spiritual group or a religious group then left but then again they might for the same reason people go to AA meetings (for example) and derive

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread Kenny H
Barry I like your take and I will get back to you later on about what you said. Thanks very much for such clear expression. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: After reading many

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry I like your take and I will get back to you later on about what you said. Thanks very much for such clear expression. Ken I like Turq's comments a lot. A few thoughts -- to me its not a been there, moved on.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread amarnath
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . What I think would be more valuable, and less whiny, is a book full of stories of Those Who Walked Away, but focusing on the fact that they were all walking towards something new, not merely walking away from

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread Kenny H
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: . But if you want to create a work of lasting value in the world of spiritual books, don't focus on what those who walked away were walking away *from*, but instead on the act of walking away, and how that enabled

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In my case I discovered the value of just working hard at something and finding that the harder I work the more successful I am. This is in direct contrast to the do nothing accomplish more (or however that goes)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread Kenny H
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand those aphorisms, they refer to (1) increasing support of nature, so that one is more successful at whatever one is doing; and (2) the experience that one is not the author of one's actions (I'm not

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Dear Ken, I suspect your project will be, very enlightening. You have a pretty good editor's eye I look forward to reading it when it is published. It will be relavent to a bunch of people. But also, stick 'Chicken-Soup' in the title and you'll sell some millions. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: As I understand those aphorisms, they refer to (1) increasing support of nature, so that one is more successful at whatever one is doing; and (2)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread Kenny H
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Yeah, I personally don't think support of nature is a useful concept on a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread yifuxero
-... You're (anatol - below) placing a wide variety of Gurus into the same package, but then making contradictory conclusions on the basis of two different subsets. To clarify by way of example: Some Neo-Advaitins include people such as Eckart Tolle, Byron Katie, Ramesh Balsekar, Wayne

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread Louis McKenzie
--- On Sun, 6/15/08, Kenny H lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Kenny H lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 9:00 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Yeah, I

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread bob_brigante
Maharishi on support of Nature: Transcendental Meditation makes the active mind fully silent, spontaneously, and that silence remains when one comes out of meditation, then the mind remains silent and remains active—silent and active. Just like a businessman goes to the bank and he comes out,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jun 15, 2008, at 8:34 PM, bob_brigante wrote: The principle of Transcendental Meditation is: no hardness in life. This great principle is—do less and accomplish more. In the principle of shooting an arrow with great force, we just pull the arrow back and release—it will go very far and hit

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-15 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: As I understand those aphorisms, they refer to (1) increasing support of nature, so that one is more successful at whatever one is doing; and (2)

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-14 Thread mrfishey2001
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I've been involved with the TM org. since 1969 in a variety of fashions and decided, for once and for all, to 'get out back in 1990. This does not mean I've broken all contact, just outer contact.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-14 Thread Kenny H
I remember Connie very well from the mid-70s at MIU. Very very funny lady. Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H kenhassman@ wrote: Hello All, I've been involved with the TM org. since 1969 in a

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-14 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kenny H Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth I remember Connie very well from the mid-70s at MIU. Very very funny lady

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-14 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I've been involved with the TM org. since 1969 in a variety of fashions and decided, for once and for all, to 'get out back in 1990. This does not mean I've broken all contact, just outer contact. That's

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-14 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me. This is so Ken Hassman. As I recall, until recently, Ken was a high school teacher in California. I figure giving Ken a hard time will drive him off quickly. Generally speaking this environment

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-14 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Excuse me. This is so Ken Hassman. As I recall, until recently, Ken was a high school teacher in California. I figure giving

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Other Side of Spiritual Growth

2008-06-14 Thread Kenny H
Well thanks for the other side to your perception (and Steve too). To answer at least one of your questions my two biggest clients in the world of publishing are Cambridge University Press and Oxford University Press. I do a large volume of indexing (writing indexes for the backs of books) work