Neat story. There's a lot I can relate to here. Not so much the TM
part, but more the owning up to past patterns of behavior, and
tendencies, and working to bring them into balance. And I remember
telling my cousin who I was close with, and who could sometimes was
pretty shitty to me, that
What's interesting to me about Knapp's story is why it took him four
attempts to get out of the TM movement. He tried three times and
failed and had to get two people to help him get out. I'm curious
about this. Everyone I know who left the TM movement simply left
it. No problem. If you no longer
Okay. Bear with me. Okay. Okay. Okay. I, I, I, Bear with me. I
apolo, I apolo I aplog. I can't do it. I'm sorry. I just can't do
it. I'm gonna go on a bike ride with my daughter. When I get back
I'll try again.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now where was I? Ah yes. The apology.
Yes, I do apologize to Ken Hassman. I very mean spirited in my
response to his initial post. Ken, I do apologize.
I was also rather mean spirited in my initial response to Dan
Friedman. I belive I offered him a roundabout apology a few posts
Your saving grace, Lurk, is your sense of humor. I wouldn't worry
about apologizing if I were you. Apologizing is a very overrated
virtue, in my opinion.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay. Bear with me. Okay. Okay. Okay. I, I, I, Bear
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
wrote:
On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Hugo wrote:
I should have added
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not on a spiritual path, which is a meaningless phrase.
You're pretending to be all nicey-nice but I don't believe
a word of it.
This speaks to your limitations, feste, not John's.
I had a good friend in the Rama
On Jun 22, 2008, at 10:58 PM, geezerfreak wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not answering your questions because I am not going to play your
silly games. The idea of you being a part of the TM movement again is
a joke. You are a chronic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
You're making some assumptions there, geezer. In fact, I do not
practice TM.
Where do I sign up?
Well, for $2000, I can teach you how to not
Your problem, Knapp, is that you have zero integrity, as your website
demonstrates. End of conversation.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
More spiritual name calling, feste37.
I am very content in my spiritual life and other aspects of my
On Jun 22, 2008, at 11:11 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
I congratulate someone who is big enough to own up to their past words
and actions, and who points out that over a period of 13 years people
change. Their attitude changes. Their outlook changes. In my mind
these statement indicate a
Vaj,
Why are you spending yor life's energy against M and TM/ Have you
something consructive in your life. Possibilities abound.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 21, 2008, at 12:46 PM, John M. Knapp, LMSW wrote:
Except, of course, that the
On Jun 23, 2008, at 9:38 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
Vaj,
Why are you spending yor life's energy against M and TM/ Have you
something consructive in your life. Possibilities abound.
Fried Man:
I guess it's just that I value that an honest image be preserved for
history, at least that's
distorting my name will not get you: the truth can set you free. Try
it! True openness often means liberating.
Vaj, in your case i do believe that beating the monkey with a stick
may be appropriate.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 23, 2008, at 9:38
If you do not assume MMY believed it all too.
(Hmm no, I'm not ready for that yet.), why do you spend so much of
your life revisiting his actions?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW
jmknapp53@
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
distorting my name will not get you: the truth can set you free.
Try
it! True openness often means liberating.
Vaj, in your case i do believe that beating the monkey with a stick
may be appropriate.
Hey
and would that require that i read your posts. try one-hand on the
keyboard--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002
danfriedman2002@ wrote:
distorting my name will not get you: the truth can set you free.
Sorry, Lawson,
I can't discern where this question comes from, but I'll gamely try to respond.
I've stated often I don't believe it's possible to know for certain a person's
inner states,
such as motivations, from their writings or public actions.
I *think,* but don't know, the Maharishi was
Geez, Lawson,
Why not ask me yourself?
I know more about scientific research than I did when I posted the German
Study 13
years ago.
But I still believe it has value. Its snowball sample methodology and its
small sample size
certainly don't make it statistically valid. It's really a
Thanks, TurquoiseB, for your extremely kind words. I'll try to live up to them!
Thanks, also for your story about Rachel. Yeah, I can see myself in that story
-- both the
hurtful side and the changed side.
My journey toward change *began* in leaving TM. I sought out exit counseling
from Janja
If you feel you need a more personal expression, please do
not hesitate to contact me and share your grievance.
This self-serving advertisement is unworthy of a former TM Governor.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks, TurquoiseB, for your
Still reading and responding, I see.
Are you content with your spiritual life -- and other aspects of your life?
J.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your problem, Knapp, is that you have zero integrity, as your website
demonstrates. End of conversation.
Don't worry, Dan. We won't let him in the dome so he
won't fly high with the bubbling bliss of the atma!
--- danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you feel you need a more personal expression,
please do
not hesitate to contact me and share your
grievance.
This self-serving
Yes, I'm Still reading and responding. I was told theis was some
kind of Wild West Fantasy World, couldn't resist the fight. BTY, you
bad guy gunslingers forgot to load up. Bring on a few more so we can
make it a fair fight (or come up to Harlem) or the Middle East to get
real.
To answer your
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If you feel you need a more personal expression, please do
not hesitate to contact me and share your grievance.
This self-serving advertisement is unworthy of a former TM Governor.
Dan,
You asked me not to
This message was not intended for you, Dan.
I was replying to feste37.
J.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yes, I'm Still reading and responding. I was told theis was some
kind of Wild West Fantasy World, couldn't resist the fight. BTY, you
Thank you, and best of luck.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, danfriedman2002
danfriedman2002@
wrote:
If you feel you need a more personal expression, please do
not hesitate to contact me and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 22, 2008, at 10:58 PM, geezerfreak wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
I'm not answering your questions because I am not going to play your
silly games. The idea of you being a
John Knapp,
My apologies, this place is wild. I think I'll take a nice shower and
read for a while.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This message was not intended for you, Dan.
I was replying to feste37.
J.
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I remained one screwed up puppy.
Why don't you get a checking - it works ! :-)
Hey, guy,
No real damage done. Don't fret too much!
Thanks for your apology, though.
I posted another message to you on another thread before I caught this one.
But I will now honor my offer not to correspond with you if you'll do likewise.
If you ever feel like posting back in forth in a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Sorry, Lawson,
I can't discern where this question comes from, but I'll gamely try to
respond.
I've stated often I don't believe it's possible to know for certain a
person's inner states,
such as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Geez, Lawson,
Why not ask me yourself?
I know more about scientific research than I did when I posted the German
Study 13
years ago.
But I still believe it has value. Its snowball sample methodology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 22, 2008, at 11:11 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote:
I congratulate someone who is big enough to own up to their past words
and actions, and who points out that over a period of 13 years people
change.
Lawson,
I answered your question in my post and the link to my article.
Please read them for the answers you seek from me.
I will add that Doug Heckathorne of Cornell has reworked snowball sampling as
respondent driven sampling. He claims, and has the math to back it up, that
RDS --
even web
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Lawson,
I answered your question in my post and the link to my article.
Please read them for the answers you seek from me.
I will add that Doug Heckathorne of Cornell has reworked snowball sampling
as
Lawson,
You are flogging a dead horse.
You clearly didn't read either my recent post here nor the link I directed you
to.
Here I repost it, in its entirety without benefit of editing, in the hopes you
will read it:
Geez, Lawson,
Why not ask me yourself?
I know more about scientific
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Lawson,
You are flogging a dead horse.
You clearly didn't read either my recent post here nor the link I directed
you to.
Here I repost it, in its entirety without benefit of editing, in the hopes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
snip
I'm not sure if you'l find this relevant but...
I used to work in the TM press office and one day a
really negative article came in that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
In any case, two TMO-related organizations *did*
sue Andrew Skolnick for that
On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Hugo wrote:
I should have added ayurveda to my list of things the
TMO should be testing (or rather independent people
should be testing). The thing that gets me riled the
most is the cancer curing claims made for amrit kalash.
There haven't, as far as I know, been
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Hugo wrote:
I should have added ayurveda to my list of things the
TMO should be testing (or rather independent people
should be testing). The thing that gets me riled the
most is
On Jun 22, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Hugo wrote:
all off the search, I've found it. Case dismissed and,
I have to say, quite rightly so.
I should have added ayurveda to my list of things the
TMO should be testing (or rather independent people
should be testing). The thing that gets me riled the
most
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
snip
I'm not sure if you'l find this relevant but...
I used to work in the TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
We've talked about this before here Hugo. One of the disturbing
things is the blank slate recommendation of Amrit Kalash in
patients undergoing chemo and radiation therapy, to make them
more comfortable. The disturbing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 22, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Hugo wrote:
all off the search, I've found it. Case dismissed and,
I have to say, quite rightly so.
I should have added ayurveda to my list of things the
TMO should be testing (or rather
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
I would like to know what happened in court with
Skolnick though.
Call off the search, I've found it. Case dismissed and,
I have to say, quite rightly so.
FWIW, the case was dismissed *without prejudice*,
meaning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
snip
I would like to know what happened in court with
Skolnick though.
Call off the search, I've found it. Case dismissed and,
I have to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
(There's a *lot* more to the dismissal of the suit;
it would take me quite awhile to even outline it.)
If you have any links I'd be interested to take
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
snip
(There's a *lot* more to the dismissal of the suit;
it would take me
John
I was referring to you. You gave up TM how many years ago yet it seems
to have quite a grip on you now.
Instead of just moving on with your life, even though you may not be
participating in the TM world/programs, you are spending quite a bit
of time in TM world via all these discussions.
On Jun 22, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Hugo wrote:
We've talked about this before here Hugo. One of the disturbing
things
is the blank slate recommendation of Amrit Kalash in patients
undergoing chemo and radiation therapy, to make them more
comfortable. The disturbing thing is that one of the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 22, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Hugo wrote:
Another case that you might have heard about ayurveda is
the mercury poisoning somebody had from MAV products bought
in India, they are currently suing the TMO, haven't
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M.
Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote:
If you have an interest, check out
http://knappfamilycounseling.com/cultdefine.html or
http://knappfamilycounseling.com/razor.html where I talk about the
dangers of dwelling
on blaming the cult.
If that is the
If that is the case, why do you write whiny-child I'm a victim crap
like the following, which appears under your name on trancenet:
I'm sure I don't understand you.
To say the Maharishi lied, which I believe he did, does not portray me as a
victim as far as I
can see.
One can object to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've just been googling to try and find the story
I'm talking about but can't find it for all the
other tales of contaminants in ayurvedic products!
Who'd have thought it.
The story I'm looking for is about an American
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John
I was referring to you. You gave up TM how many years ago yet it seems
to have quite a grip on you now.
Instead of just moving on with your life, even though you may not be
participating in the TM world/programs,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John
I was referring to you. You gave up TM how many years ago yet it seems
to have quite a grip on you now.
Instead of just moving on with your life, even though you may not be
participating in the TM world/programs,
John
I was referring to you. You gave up TM how many years ago yet it seems
to have quite a grip on you now.
Instead of just moving on with your life, even though you may not be
participating in the TM world/programs, you are spending quite a bit
of time in TM world via all these
You're being deliberately obtuse. People who claim they were lied to
again and again are playing the victim. Maharishi didn't lie to you.
He gave you a wonderful technique for spiritual growth. It was you who
lacked understanding -- and then you betrayed the person who had
helped you. Shame.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
wrote:
On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:02 AM, Hugo wrote:
I should have added ayurveda to my list of things the
TMO should be testing (or rather independent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're being deliberately obtuse. People who claim they were lied to
again and again are playing the victim. Maharishi didn't lie to you.
He gave you a wonderful technique for spiritual growth. It was you who
lacked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
You're being deliberately obtuse. People who claim they were lied to
again and again are playing the victim. Maharishi didn't lie to you.
He
I'm not on a spiritual path, which is a meaningless phrase. You're
pretending to be all nicey-nice but I don't believe a word of it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
You're being
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not on a spiritual path, which is a meaningless phrase. You're
pretending to be all nicey-nice but I don't believe a word of it.
In cognitive therapy attributing thoughts, feelings, and motives to others is
called
Why? What do you define as a spiritual path? For all you know, there are
spiritual
paths where everyone is encouraged to attempt to hurt everyone in order to
force them to grow in some way.
Lawson
Hi, Lawson,
Long time since we've talked.
I think for my purposes here, defining a
Please stop trying to therapize me. I am immune to it.
Your claim to want to reform the TM movement is ridiculous. You are
not in the TM movement, so how can you reform it? Why should anyone
take any notice of you? You chose to leave, so stick to your decision.
In any case, I can't imagine that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please stop trying to therapize me. I am immune to it.
Your claim to want to reform the TM movement is ridiculous. You are
not in the TM movement, so how can you reform it? Why should anyone
take any notice of you? You
I'm not answering your questions because I am not going to play your
silly games. The idea of you being a part of the TM movement again is
a joke. You are a chronic malcontent. No one would want you. Go away.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not answering your questions because I am not going to play your
silly games. The idea of you being a part of the TM movement again is
a joke. You are a chronic malcontent. No one would want you. Go away.
Clearly
You're making some assumptions there, geezer. In fact, I do not
practice TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
I'm not answering your questions because I am not going to play your
silly
More spiritual name calling, feste37.
I am very content in my spiritual life and other aspects of my life.
Are you content in yours?
I gotta tell you, your posts come across as angry, unhappy, fearful.
Naturally, I have as much right as anyone to post here.
If you don't like what I write,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You're making some assumptions there, geezer. In fact, I do not
practice TM.
Where do I sign up?
John M. Knapp, LMSW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've written tens of thousands of words in the last 13 years on these
subjects. I know there are contradictions in what I've written.
I know I've changed my character, opinions, and actions greatly
since I first started
publishing in anger on
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote:
I'm not on a spiritual path, which is a meaningless phrase. You're
pretending to be all nicey-nice but I don't believe a word of it.
In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
wrote:
John M. Knapp, LMSW jmknapp53@ wrote:
I've written tens of thousands of words in the last 13 years on these
subjects. I know there are contradictions in what I've written.
I know I've changed my
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Following is a series of posts made by John Knapp
(taskcentered) on alt.meditation.transcendental
in June 1996 (a year after he claims he began
writing about reforming TM). Ellipses are mine;
I took out some extraneous
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
unnoted snip
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Following is a series of posts made by John Knapp
(taskcentered) on alt.meditation.transcendental
in June 1996 (a year after he claims he
On Jun 21, 2008, at 7:30 AM, Hugo wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Following is a series of posts made by John Knapp
(taskcentered) on alt.meditation.transcendental
in June 1996 (a year after he claims he began
writing about reforming TM).
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Yeah Judy, I'd love to see the actual news reports on this Global
genetic and biological warfare Mahesh warned us of, as I must've
missed that!
Thanks for warning us of this imminent disaster!
Well, Vaj, it was
On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:49 AM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Yeah Judy, I'd love to see the actual news reports on this Global
genetic and biological warfare Mahesh warned us of, as I must've
missed that!
Thanks for warning us of this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Well, Vaj, it was *averted*, don'cha know. That was kinda
the point of opening TM centers in third world countries.
Oh, I see, it was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Amazing!
I'm not sure you're perfectly clear on what
Judy,
Thanks for posting these pages from Trancenet -- from so very long ago. (The
url is now http://www.trancenet.net/alert.shtml , if anyone cares to see them
in their original
setting.)
You've claimed I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, that I lied about
something in
these posts.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
unnoted snip
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
Following is a series of posts made by John Knapp
On Jun 21, 2008, at 10:24 AM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
Well, Vaj, it was *averted*, don'cha know. That was kinda
the point of opening TM centers in third world countries.
Oh, I see, it was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Judy,
Thanks for posting these pages from Trancenet
Actually, I got them from the alt.m.t archives (as should
be obvious from the list of 10 different Usenet newsgroups
to which you posted them). And I didn't post
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, taskcentered [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Judy,
Thanks for posting these pages from Trancenet -- from so very long
ago. (The url is now http://www.trancenet.net/alert.shtml , if anyone
cares to see them in their original
setting.)
You've claimed I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
wrote:
snip
So Judy, are you saying that MMY *didn't* make these
claims about an upcoming
Yeah Judy I guess the Tm movement has so pretty strong cool aid
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Trancenet Alert!
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Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 12:55 PM
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@
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I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on
this. Doesn't mean he couldn't have seen what he
thought was the real danger of war as a
Maybe if John is reading this he can elucidate on
what he actually knew about what the TMO was doing
or whether it's part of a Stop the TMO at any lengths
campaign. I'd be interested to know why he spends so
much energy on it.
Hi, Hugo,
I'd be glad to elucidate if I can.
I never had a
I think someone should come up with a list of ways to
improve the way the TMO is run, make them accountable.
That sort of thing.
Hi, Hugo,
I did just that a couple days ago. See the topic: Memo to the New TM Leaders:
How NOT to
be a cult.
I'd love to get your input on it. Perhaps you
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I've always thought that people who leave organisations
like this rail against them in proportion to how much
they felt they were taken in by it they were before they
got disillusioned.
Heavens, just think what
Except, of course, that the billions are in the
custody of the TMO. He didn't do much for himself
with them, did he?
Ummm, did you not get the memo about his golden toilets?
I saw them at Livingston Manor. I've been told they were there in Europe as
well.
Just a symbol of what the
I'm guessing you're referring to my slip of tense. My bad. Yes, the Maharishi
has passed
on.
J.
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Judy,
Thanks for posting these pages from
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John M. Knapp, LMSW
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Except, of course, that the billions are in the
custody of the TMO. He didn't do much for himself
with them, did he?
Ummm, did you not get the memo about his golden toilets?
I saw them at Livingston
Hell, I *started out* disillusioned with the TMO. I
always thought it sucked big-time and have seen no
reason to change that opinion. That's why its more
recent antics (rajas and recerts and so on) didn't
surprise or upset me.
You offer this generality over and over again. I don't see how
I'd be interested to know why he spends so
much energy on it.
Seems to be an enduring compulsion on the part of
certain former-TMers-turned-TM-critics.
I can't speak for John's motivations, but I can say for myself that
the desire for truth and speaking out against what I perceives as
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