Flanegin wrote:
Yep, from the standpoint of dualistic, relative life, multiple
problems are seen, and must be solved, as they should be, living a
dynamic and responsible life. From the non dual experience of Being
though, even the change is seen and embraced as perfect. The union
of the one with the many is a profound paradox that is naturally
accepted and lived when self realization becomes permanent, and not
until. Unity and diversity become indistiguishable from one another.
When those who comment on such things write that everything is
perfect, the only way a mind embracing duality can comprehend such a
statement is in terms of inertia (keep everything as it is, relative
to a specific moment), or rationalization (it happened, therefore it
is perfect, even though I know damned well it isn't), neither of
which is the intended perspective. :-)
Bronte writes:
Jim, with all due respect, what this sounds like is "You can't possibly know
the truth because you aren't on my level." Not that you are the first to pull
that punch. It's a typical end-of-argument comment that gurus are renowned for.
Translation: "Don't question what we say. Don't question the view of the
ultimate reality we are handing you. We are at the top of the mountain, and you
aren't. You speak from the perspective of delusion. Your position has no merit
in terms of ultimate truth, because you are obviously way too unevolved to
comment on the subject."
And why do you assume I am too unevolved? Simply because I don't agree with
your pespective. Your argument is vicious circle, kept alive by your assumption
of superior knowledge and experience. I am not going to try to weight my
argument by startung a one-up-you game with you comparing the profundity of our
spiritual experiences. I will just say this: the vision I have of reality is
based not just on reason and relative experience, but very much on spiritual
experience -- my own, and that of many people who don't share the assumptions
of the Indian tradition. It IS possible to experience nonduality, the union of
all life, in great and blissful clarity and in the same sublime moment perceive
clearly that the universe is a play in progress, with unsuccessful scenes that
have to be rewritten, similar to the analogy of the cake baker in my earlier
email to Judy on this subject.
So whose cosmic reality is right: yours or ours? I don't believe we can
decide that by trying to determine which group of "seers" is more evolved.
Because expectation and teachings we've studied and accepted very much color
our experience of higher states. Instead, we need to rely on reason, on
objective analysis, on consideration of all relevant data from experience, both
the relative and the nondual kind. The four blind men have to maintain open
minds and respect each other's experience in order to arrive at total truth
about the elephant. What happens when one says, "Guy, your description of this
animal is just not holistic like mine is. When you get my superior level of
perception, you'll experience the animal the way I do." Not too conducive to
productive dialog, that attitude, is it?
Some folks on this forum have challenged my viewpoints on the grounds that
thousands of years of Indian tradition teach otherwise. I say, does thousands
of years of history make something right? People have killed one another and
eaten meat for thousands of years. Does the length of time make THOSE things
right? I would suggest that if after thousands of the years the world is still
the kind of place it is, perhaps that suggests the philosophy of the ages NEEDS
to be re[-examined: without bias and traditional assumptions ... with
questioning minds and with open hearts.
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