2009/6/27 Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Adam Millermaxamill...@gmail.com wrote:
If it is official, I think it should at least get placed on the same
web page as the gnome/default one like it used to.
+1
We're well aware that the current download page is
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Jason L Tibbitts IIIti...@math.uh.edu wrote:
That's absolutely no incentive to me; substitute Dr. Pepper or some
good tea, though I have some free time today so I'll try to take
a look.
Good tea can be arranged. :-)
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2009/6/28 Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org:
On 06/28/2009 12:40 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote:
I might understand it wrong. But from my point of view. It's not
newbie oriented at all. If it would be newbie oriented it would offer
information and give options to choose, included with some
On 06/28/2009 01:43 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote:
There is already a website team.
But before i will join them or work with them together, i read a lot
and try to find out what will happen. And i doubt it was the website
team who made the decision how ugly (sorry just IMO) and poor it looks
like.
Please see the forwarded message:
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From: Shyam | ശ്യാം കാരനാട്ട് | Karanattu m...@swathanthran.in
Date: 2009/6/27
Subject: [smc-discuss] Re: Fwd: Terminal emulator supporting Indic
scripts like {kn, hi, pa}_IN.utf-8
To: smc-disc...@googlegroups.com
Hi,
Hi,
I'm trying to stream a stack traceback to a file so that I can add it to
a bug for firefox. However, the likes of firefox firefox.txt, firefox
2 firefox.txt and firefox firefox.txt either dumps nothing or dumps
something, but in all cases, not the stack traceback.
What do I need to do to
Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:42:57 +0200, Ralf wrote:
be fixing cases where the duplicate directory ownership is
acceptable, like much of the perl structure, so you don't have to worry
about that.
Well, ... he just has committed patches in which he does exactly the
opposite.
2009/6/28 drago01 drag...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Niels Haasea...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
2009/6/27 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com:
I never know where to reply to these sort of threads... but I guess I
will pick here. ;)
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:44:48 -0500
inode0
On 06/28/2009 03:35 PM, Niels Haase wrote:
GNOME KDE - official support from fedora (first class citizen)
XFCE - spin only (second class citizen)
LXDE - remix only (third class citizen)
Just my two pennies worth.
Xfce and LXDE are in the central repository and maintained well by the
Le samedi 27 juin 2009 à 21:19 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil a écrit :
As I told you on IRC, this is like taking a Java binding or reimplementation
of Phonon and packaging it as Amarok.
I agree. However many java libraries we have have such special names.
Do a yum search java |grep -v java
Java
2009/6/28 Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org:
On 06/28/2009 03:35 PM, Niels Haase wrote:
GNOME KDE - official support from fedora (first class citizen)
XFCE - spin only (second class citizen)
LXDE - remix only (third class citizen)
Just my two pennies worth.
Xfce and LXDE are in
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:53:07 +0200, Ralf wrote:
Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:42:57 +0200, Ralf wrote:
be fixing cases where the duplicate directory ownership is
acceptable, like much of the perl structure, so you don't have to worry
about that.
Well, ... he just
Tom spot Callaway wrote:
kde-i18n-Spanish
kde-l10n-Spanish
Is this problem limited to Spanish?
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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
None of this is going to change with a FESCo vote. What it requires is
someone interested in working with the websites team.
The websites team has told me that using Desktop Edition as the name was a
FESCo decision, that's why I brought up the name change in FESCo.
Can we
Compose started at Sun Jun 28 06:15:09 UTC 2009
New package blueman
GTK+ Bluetooth Manager
New package bullet
3D Collision Detection and Rigid Body Dynamics Library
New package libinfinity
Library implementing the infinote protocol
New package nbtk
A toolkit for
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
The difference between features like a desktop globe and things like
NetworkManager is obvious.
I know NM is important, and in fact that's why we have been shipping the
mature NM-gnome in KDE spins so far, and it does work fine in KDE. And
chances are good for the native
Am Sonntag, den 28.06.2009, 15:21 +0200 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
Core desktop infrastructure like flickerfree boot which is SARCASMsurely
worlds more useful and important to people/SARCASM than a desktop globe
with OpenStreetMap integration providing Free as in Speech street-level
maps and place
Am Sonntag, den 28.06.2009, 15:29 +0200 schrieb drago01:
+---+
| [*] Fedora Live, featuring the GNOME Desktop |
+---+
| [] Fedora Live KDE Edition|
| [] Fedora Live XFCE Edition
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 03:09:26PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Niels Haase wrote:
GNOME KDE - official support from fedora (first class citizen)
XFCE - spin only (second class citizen)
LXDE - remix only (third class citizen)
It's actually worse than that:
GNOME - presented on the main download
On 06/12/2009 02:11 PM, Ricky Zhou wrote:
If
he legitimately only has one name (I'm sure there have been many special
cases like this), let spot know and he'll make sure to let the CLA go
through.
I am aware of exactly one legitimate case of a FAS account where the
user had a single word as
Josh Boyer wrote:
The Desktop (or Gnome) and KDE spins are both primary spins hosted on the
master mirror and mirrored worldwide. It is also very apparent on the
main download page. If your only classification for being treated as a
'secondary cititzen' is that there is a big button you have
Thomas Janssen wrote:
Not really. Why not the same name for gnome as for the other spins.
And why not give the user finally information and screenshots of what
they get, for every spin? Why still treat the user as if he's dumb and
need you to decide what he want. Give him enough information
Rahul, I question the point of ... making laundry lists of pros, cons, bugs
of desktop X vs Y... I'm sure folks can come up with a similar list of
gnome (or other) related negative items, or kde-only features too but I
question it's constructiveness.
My only comments here:
1. The desktop
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Christopher Stone wrote:
Whatever desktop RH employees are paid to work on to satisfy their
biggest RHEL customers needs. Or what they *think* their biggest RHEL
customers want.
I think the question you need to ask is why they must force this onto
the Fedora
2009/6/28 Christopher Stone
I think the question you need to ask is why they must force this onto
the Fedora *community* OS when the community is clearly objecting to
it.
The *community* is not objecting to it - just parts of it. and only recently
- a year ago, the KDE desktop was ion no
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 03:09:26PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Niels Haase wrote:
GNOME KDE - official support from fedora (first class citizen)
XFCE - spin only (second class citizen)
LXDE - remix only (third class citizen)
It's actually worse than that:
GNOME - presented on the main
Rahul, I question the point of ... making laundry lists of pros, cons, bugs
of desktop X vs Y... I'm sure folks can come up with a similar list of
gnome (or other) related negative items, or kde-only features too but I
question it's constructiveness.
My only comments here:
1. The desktop
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Christopher Stone wrote:
Whatever desktop RH employees are paid to work on to satisfy their
biggest RHEL customers needs. Or what they *think* their biggest RHEL
customers want.
I think the question you need to ask
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
1. The desktop spin *is* gnome for cryin out loud. Seriously, common
sense is just screaming in my head to call a spade a spade.
We have a Desktop team. So IMHO the default desktop is what they
decide it to be.
They are currently focused only on Gnome.
LOn Sat, 27.06.09 13:59, Paul (p...@all-the-johnsons.co.uk) wrote:
Hi,
Despite the packagekit updates, I've still not got any sound on my
rawhide box.
Please file bug reports if you run into bugs. fedora-devel is not the
appropriate place to discuss bugs, especially not those in Rawhide.
Seth Vidal wrote:
I think we have a handful of vocal opponents.
Where have you seen a hand with thousands of fingers? ;-)
luckily we don't have to implement every whim that the majority or
a vocal group yells about.
If you go against the wishes of the majority, that's per definition
2009/6/28 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Christopher Stone wrote:
Whatever desktop RH employees are paid to work on to satisfy their
biggest RHEL customers needs. Or what they *think* their biggest RHEL
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:20:27 +0200
Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Seth Vidal wrote:
I think we have a handful of vocal opponents.
Where have you seen a hand with thousands of fingers? ;-)
luckily we don't have to implement every whim that the majority or
a vocal group
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 08:06 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote:
The only other packages I intend to touch on this issue are:
(duplicate directory with filesystem)
avahi
avahi is good now, I think, after I made it use %find_lang.
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2009/6/28 Matthew Garrett m...@redhat.com:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 03:09:26PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Niels Haase wrote:
GNOME KDE - official support from fedora (first class citizen)
XFCE - spin only (second class citizen)
LXDE - remix only (third class citizen)
It's actually worse
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Seth Vidal wrote:
I think we have a handful of vocal opponents.
Where have you seen a hand with thousands of fingers? ;-)
luckily we don't have to implement every whim that the majority or
a vocal group yells about.
If you go against the wishes
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Christopher
Stonechris.st...@gmail.com wrote:
Whatever desktop RH employees are paid to work on to satisfy their
biggest RHEL customers needs. Or what they *think* their biggest RHEL
customers want.
I think the question you need to ask is why they must force
Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com writes:
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 03:58:59PM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
The application is hardcoded to look for pre-2009 xterm sequences.
Particularly the ^[O2S style sequences. It does not use ncurses at all.
That's bad. Do you have the source
On Sun June 28 2009, Tom spot Callaway wrote:
* Phone number is absent or obviously incorrect (e.g. 555-1212,
, 0)
Will I also loose my cla_done membership, once you notice that I removed my
phone number from FAS after I quit the contract for the telephone connection?
Or
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Adam Millermaxamill...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Christopher
Stonechris.st...@gmail.com wrote:
Whatever desktop RH employees are paid to work on to satisfy their
biggest RHEL customers needs. Or what they *think* their biggest RHEL
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
None of this is going to change with a FESCo vote. What it requires is
someone interested in working with the websites team.
The websites team has told me that using Desktop Edition as the name
On 06/28/2009 01:12 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
2. I've yet to see this majority you speak of.
Here I am, part of the silent KDE-users majority, who uses Fedora
because it provides great KDE experience. I am frustrated however by the
fact that even finding Fedora KDE download page is experience
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:29 AM, drago01drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Niels Haase wrote:
GNOME KDE - official support from fedora (first class citizen)
XFCE - spin only (second class citizen)
LXDE - remix only (third class
Couldn't you use strace?
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Matthew Garrett wrote:
The reality is that KDE *is* a second class citizen in Fedora - it
doesn't get anywhere near the attention that Gnome does.
SARCASMThanks/SARCASM for insulting our (KDE SIG's) work yet again,
that's SARCASMreally appreciated/SARCASM! :-/
Where are the monthly bugfix
On 2009-06-28 03:29:52 PM, drago01 wrote:
+---+
| [*] Fedora Live, featuring the GNOME Desktop |
+---+
| [] Fedora Live KDE Edition|
| [] Fedora Live XFCE Edition |
Arjan van de Ven wrote:
I always thought of Fedora being more of a meritocracy than a
democracy.
or in other words code / effort talks more than words.
The code / effort is what we're doing in KDE SIG. All I'm asking for is
for that work to be accurately represented in places like the
Am Sonntag, den 28.06.2009, 13:45 -0700 schrieb Christopher Stone:
Because they are focusing their efforts in the wrong place. They
should be helping KDE, not GNOME! GNOME is a dying if not dead
desktop. It can barely hold its own as a default install on Fedora!
The sooner RH employees
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Julian
Aloofijulian.fedorali...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am Sonntag, den 28.06.2009, 13:45 -0700 schrieb Christopher Stone:
Because they are focusing their efforts in the wrong place. They
should be helping KDE, not GNOME! GNOME is a dying if not dead
desktop.
Dariusz J. Garbowski schrieb:
On 06/28/2009 01:12 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
2. I've yet to see this majority you speak of.
Here I am, part of the silent KDE-users majority, who uses Fedora
because it provides great KDE experience. I am frustrated however by the
fact that even finding Fedora
Just look at the page of openSUSE:
http://software.opensuse.org/
openSUSE is more targetet at newbies than Fedora is, and reading through
their forums I don't see many people who are confused by this page, they
always have a little Help button if they don't understand a certain
point. And if
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Seth Vidal wrote:
So at no point do we stop arguing and allow decisions to be made? You just
keep screaming and hurling invectives until you get your way? What sort of
system is that? Rule by tantrum?
In this case, additional feedback was gained
Naheem Zaffar wrote:
The *community* is not objecting to it - just parts of it. and only
recently - a year ago, the KDE desktop was ion no shape to be considered
the primary desktop.
KDE 4.0.3 (which is the first KDE 4 version Fedora shipped) worked just fine
for daily use, I used it on my
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 20:20 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Seth Vidal wrote:
I think we have a handful of vocal opponents.
Where have you seen a hand with thousands of fingers? ;-)
luckily we don't have to implement every whim that the majority or
a vocal group yells about.
If you go
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
We have a Desktop team.
That's just yet another syndrom of the misnomer disease, though it's not
easy to change because that team is part of RH, not Fedora.
So IMHO the default desktop is what they decide it to be.
Nonsense. The Desktop Team is an internal
Adam Miller wrote:
RedHat employees are paid to work on Fedora, why would anyone scoff at
their contributions to the project? Would it be more acceptable if
someone from Intel or Dell were developing and contributing to Fedora
and backing Gnome?
This is a community and we are fortunate
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:35:07PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
The reality is that KDE *is* a second class citizen in Fedora - it
doesn't get anywhere near the attention that Gnome does.
SARCASMThanks/SARCASM for insulting our (KDE SIG's) work yet again,
that's
Ricky Zhou wrote:
We choose one group to target more than the others, and that group is
new users that don't know what to choose. We direct those new users at
the default and most common download instead of throwing choices at
them.
The thing is, that's exactly the type of design GNOME is
Matthew Garrett wrote:
Where are the monthly bugfix updates of the entirety of GNOME in the
stable updates? Where are the updates to minor feature releases? Oh wait,
they don't exist! Yet we provide all this for KDE! We even provide a
semi-official unstable repository (at kde-redhat) with the
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:54:37AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
I think you're using the wrong metric here.
I'm just pointing out that we're providing services the GNOME packagers
aren't providing. And those are packaging-level services which I consider
to be an
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 23:35 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
The reality is that KDE *is* a second class citizen in Fedora - it
doesn't get anywhere near the attention that Gnome does.
SARCASMThanks/SARCASM for insulting our (KDE SIG's) work yet again,
that's
Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 23:35 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
The reality is that KDE *is* a second class citizen in Fedora - it
doesn't get anywhere near the attention that Gnome does.
SARCASMThanks/SARCASM for insulting our (KDE SIG's) work yet
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 00:03 +0200, Julian Sikorski wrote:
Lennart Poettering pisze:
LOn Sat, 27.06.09 13:59, Paul (p...@all-the-johnsons.co.uk) wrote:
Hi,
Despite the packagekit updates, I've still not got any sound on my
rawhide box.
Please file bug reports if you run into
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 01:21:15AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Dave Airlie wrote:
If we were being democratic, i.e. proper majority rule, we'd kick KDE
out of the distro as its definitely not 50% of developers or users.
That assumes that the people who are not using KDE want it kicked out.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 04:09:39AM +0200, Neil Thompson wrote:
Personally I think that kicking KDE out would be a good idea if it would get
rid of all the KDE fanbois and fanboi-type shrill argumentation.
That's unnecessary. The people involved in this discussion have
contributed a lot to
On 2009-06-29 01:13:07 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
The thing is, that's exactly the type of design GNOME is using and KDE is
rejecting, so you will never get KDE people to approve of this. And thus
following that policy makes our download page look biased and uninviting to
KDE users.
Sorry, but
Just a reminder that the end of life date for F9 was set at 2009-07-10
at last week's FESCo meeting. This means that as of this date, no
new builds will be allowed in koji, and no updates will be pushed.
I guess it also means that a lot of F9 bugs in bugzilla will get auto-closed
very
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