Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-05 Thread Matej Cepl
Jeroen van Meeuwen, Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:30:46 +0200: On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:13:14 +0200, Julian Aloofi To be honest, I think environments that work like that won't use Fedora anyway if it wasn't supported for at least three, let's say two and a half, years. Having to agree with your

Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-05 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Bojan Smojverbo...@rexursive.com wrote: Now that .1 is out, is there anything in particular stopping F-11 from having this kernel? Worth mentioning— .30 makes a non-backwards-compatible BTRFS format change. So if you go .30 on a BTRFS system you can't go back.

Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-05 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Gregory Maxwellgmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Bojan Smojverbo...@rexursive.com wrote: Now that .1 is out, is there anything in particular stopping F-11 from having this kernel? Worth mentioning— .30 makes a non-backwards-compatible

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On 05/07/09 07:20, Matej Cepl wrote: Jeroen van Meeuwen, Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:30:46 +0200: snip The problem I have with this whole project is that nobody explained me well, why you folks interested in this don't join CentOS project? NIH? Matěj Possibly because CentOS is not Fedora.

Re: Time for 2.6.30 in F-11?

2009-07-05 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
CCing #fedora-kernel-list On 04.07.2009 16:12, Kevin Kofler wrote: Bojan Smojver wrote: Now that .1 is out, is there anything in particular stopping F-11 from having this kernel? And why is F10 still stuck on 2.6.27? 2.6.29 has been in updates-testing for ages now. Good question. Seems the

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-05 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 06:20:38 + (UTC), Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: Jeroen van Meeuwen, Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:30:46 +0200: On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:13:14 +0200, Julian Aloofi To be honest, I think environments that work like that won't use Fedora anyway if it wasn't supported for at

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-05 Thread Jos Vos
On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 12:03:05PM +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: The CentOS project, or it's upstream, has a release cycle of approximately three years -not a steady release cycle of three years but that's what it turns out to be. This disqualifies the distribution(s) as desktop Linux

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-05 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On 07/05/2009 12:12 PM, Jos Vos wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 12:03:05PM +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: The CentOS project, or it's upstream, has a release cycle of approximately three years -not a steady release cycle of three years but that's what it turns out to be. This disqualifies the

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-05 Thread David Woodhouse
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 12:03 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: The CentOS project, or it's upstream, has a release cycle of approximately three years -not a steady release cycle of three years but that's what it turns out to be. This disqualifies the distribution(s) as desktop Linux

rawhide report: 20090705 changes

2009-07-05 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Jul 5 06:15:06 UTC 2009 New package oflb-notcouriersans-fonts NotCourier Sans is a re-interpretation of Nimbus Mono Updated Packages: abiword-2.7.6-2.fc12 * Sun Jul 05 2009 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com - 1:2.7.6-1 - New upstream release

Re: [Fwd: Re: vPython]

2009-07-05 Thread Brad
I have rpms for older versions of vpython and a tutorial on how to make rpms. Here is some information that might be useful(http://rpmbuildtut.wordpress.com/). Let me know if you need any help. Brad Longo North Carolina State University Aerospace Engineering/Applied Mathematics Raleigh, NC

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 10:01:48PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Although I do believe that there's a small number of rpms whose spec script does that, I really think that this is not correct, and the packaging guidelines should really prohibit that. If the configure script needs patching,

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-05 Thread Till Maas
On Sun July 5 2009, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: There's been lots of previous discussion of this silly idea of patching generated code. You end up carrying enormous patches containing just line number changes that often can't be applied upstream, and can't be carried forward to new upstream

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-05 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Richard W.M. Jones writes: There's been lots of previous discussion of this silly idea of patching generated code. You end up carrying enormous patches containing just line number changes that often can't be applied upstream, and can't be carried forward to new upstream releases -- What line

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-05 Thread Juan Rodriguez
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 5:39 AM, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 12:03 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: The CentOS project, or it's upstream, has a release cycle of approximately three years -not a steady release cycle of three years but that's what it

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-05 Thread Jon Stanley
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Jos Vosj...@xos.nl wrote: I don't completely agree that desktops tend to need to run the latest and greatest (when we're talking about business desktops), but desktops I don't agree with that position either - note my work laptop, which unfortunately runs

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-05 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:39:44 +0100, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 12:03 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: The CentOS project, or it's upstream, has a release cycle of approximately three years -not a steady release cycle of three years but that's what it

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-05 Thread Mat Booth
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwenkana...@kanarip.com wrote: The CentOS project, or it's upstream, has a release cycle of approximately three years -not a steady release cycle of three years but that's what it turns out to be. This disqualifies the distribution(s) as desktop

Better ways to format USB disks (file fomats etc)

2009-07-05 Thread Andreas Tunek
I bought a new shiny red 500 GB USB HDD recently in order to back up large files (mostly video but other stuff as well). My previous HDDs I formatted as fat32 since that can be read and written by most devices (PS3, Windows, Mac etc). Since I would only use this new HDD with my different computers

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-05 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Conrad Meyer writes: On Sunday 05 July 2009 07:45:46 am Sam Varshavchik wrote: *snip* With a subsequent release, you'll still have to rebase your existing patch, if the new release did not fix the original bug. As I understand, rpm's default settings now reject fuzz in patch files, so you'll

Re: Better ways to format USB disks (file fomats etc)

2009-07-05 Thread Andreas Tunek
Maybe I should clarify my use case experience. After I used GParted to format the HDD to ext3 (and ext4 later) I tried to create a folder on the HDD. I could not do this as a normal user, only as root. When I formatted the HDD to ntfs I could create folders and files. I want the ntfs behavior. --

Re: Better ways to format USB disks (file fomats etc)

2009-07-05 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
Maybe I should clarify my use case experience. After I used GParted to format the HDD to ext3 (and ext4 later) I tried to create a folder on the HDD. I could not do this as a normal user, only as root. You can create files/folders with users if they « own » the HDD. But then, another user

Re: Better ways to format USB disks (file fomats etc)

2009-07-05 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Andreas Tunek writes: Maybe I should clarify my use case experience. After I used GParted to format the HDD to ext3 (and ext4 later) I tried to create a folder on the HDD. I could not do this as a normal user, only as root. When I formatted the HDD to ntfs I could create folders and files. I

Re: Better ways to format USB disks (file fomats etc)

2009-07-05 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Create a top-level folder on the USB drive that's owned by your userid, then you can create any subfolders that your heart desires. This works for me. I formatted the hard disk as ext4 and made a few directories, then changed ownership to me, and now I can modify the

Re: Better ways to format USB disks (file fomats etc)

2009-07-05 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
Create a top-level folder on the USB drive that's owned by your userid, then you can create any subfolders that your heart desires. This is totally broken if the disk is used on multiple computers. Having to maintain same UID-username combinations on the different computers is just not good

Re: rawhide report: 20090705 changes

2009-07-05 Thread Dave Jones
On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 11:21:58AM +, Rawhide Report wrote: kernel-2.6.31-0.42.rc2.fc12 --- * Sat Jul 04 2009 Chuck Ebbert cebb...@redhat.com - 2.6.31-rc1-git11 * Sat Jul 04 2009 Dave Jones da...@redhat.com 2.6.31-0.42.rc2 - 2.6.31-rc2 * Fri Jul 03

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-05 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Richard W.M. Jones writes: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 10:45:46AM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: What line number changes? You cut a patch against configure, and you're done. That's it. And you get a big patch containing line numbers. Here's a single line change to configure.ac, and the

Re: rawhide report: 20090703 changes

2009-07-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Pete Zaitcev wrote: It sure was a fabulous debut as a maintainer for Andreas (according to changelog he took over from Jakub). Hey, we all make mistakes, it's no use insulting people over it! Was that sarcastic remark really necessary? Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-05 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Richard W.M. Jones writes: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 02:24:43PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: For this kind of scope, rebuilding the entire configure script is overkill, and I wouldn't do it unless I audit it and verify whether or not upstream is relying on some specific behavior in the

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Conrad Meyer wrote: Unrelated, but I think this sort of phobia of regenerating an auto-generated script just goes to show how completely broken autotools is. +1, auto-generated source code is an oxymoron, this design is really broken. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: readline update?

2009-07-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matej Cepl wrote: Ralf Corsepius, Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:29:46 +0200: I thought, we banned all non-utf-8 aware packages? I agree, who needs grep after all :) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=194471 /kidding That package WORKS with UTF-8, it's just very slow with it on some extreme

Re: readline update?

2009-07-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matej Cepl wrote: Ralf Corsepius, Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:29:46 +0200: I thought, we banned all non-utf-8 aware packages? And BTW zsh has been fixed not to corrupt non-ASCII filenames? Bash FTW! :-p Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-05 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, And you'll be violating the GPL (unless you're talking about a BSD-style-licensed software or configure.ac is explicitly marked with special permissions). The GPL requires you to edit the preferred form for modification, which is definitely NOT a generated file. [citation

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-05 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 22:13 +0100, Christopher Brown wrote: 2009/7/4 Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com: I wanted to draw your attention to a feature I've proposed for Fedora 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cycle. You can find more details at

Re: rawhide report: 20090705 changes

2009-07-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 06:46:36PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 11:21:58AM +, Rawhide Report wrote: kernel-2.6.31-0.42.rc2.fc12 --- * Sat Jul 04 2009 Chuck Ebbert cebb...@redhat.com - 2.6.31-rc1-git11 * Sat Jul 04 2009 Dave Jones

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-05 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Orcan Ogetbil writes: On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: [cut] Patching the configure script is much safer than patching configure.ac, then have autoconf grok all .m4 macros and rebuild the whole thing, likely ending up with a completely different beast, that not only

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-05 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: But that's what /you/ want to do, not me. Me, I'll just apply a patch to the configure script, directly. And you'll be violating the GPL (unless you're talking about a BSD-style-licensed software or configure.ac is explicitly marked with special

Possible packages...

2009-07-05 Thread Nathanael Noblet
Hello, So I've been toying with the idea of getting more involved with fedora. Up till now if there has been a bug or other issue, i'll file a bug or simply get the srpm and try to update it to a newer version, or create my own specs / rpms when they don't already exist. Lately I've

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-05 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Orcan Ogetbil writes: On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: [cut] Patching the configure script is much safer than patching configure.ac, then have autoconf grok all .m4 macros and rebuild the whole thing, likely

Re: Possible packages...

2009-07-05 Thread Eric Sandeen
Nathanael Noblet wrote: Hello, So I've been toying with the idea of getting more involved with fedora. Up till now if there has been a bug or other issue, i'll file a bug or simply get the srpm and try to update it to a newer version, or create my own specs / rpms when they don't

Re: rawhide report: 20090703 changes

2009-07-05 Thread Oscar Bacho
2009/7/5 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at Pete Zaitcev wrote: It sure was a fabulous debut as a maintainer for Andreas (according to changelog he took over from Jakub). Hey, we all make mistakes, it's no use insulting people over it! Was that sarcastic remark really necessary? Sorry

[Bug 504256] Please build latest perl-Math-BigInt-GMP for EPEL 4 and 5

2009-07-05 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504256 Robert Scheck redhat-bugzi...@linuxnetz.de changed: What|Removed |Added