Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-07 Thread 罗星
i like vim , I'll take it. 2009/10/7 Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com On 10/06/2009 03:41 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: Matej Cepl, Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:26:09 +: However, for personal reasons I need to decrease my personal involvment in non-work related Fedora work. I have still on my

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-06 Thread Matej Cepl
Matej Cepl, Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:26:09 +: However, for personal reasons I need to decrease my personal involvment in non-work related Fedora work. I have still on my list: * cycle -- Calendar program for women (any ladies would like to decrease gender gap in Fedora packaging? Or would

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-06 Thread Petr Lautrbach
On 10/06/2009 11:41 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: Matej Cepl, Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:26:09 +: However, for personal reasons I need to decrease my personal involvment in non-work related Fedora work. I have still on my list: * vim-vimoutliner -- Script for building an outline editor on top of Vim

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-03 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 10/02/2009 04:53 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: A important oddness of the feature process is that it is not actually necessary for the feature to be in the distribution. So you send a nag mail, feature owners ignores it, you drop the feature and the functionality is still there. So unless the

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-03 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 19:00:12 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: So really, I see no practical argument against switching back to the Alpha/Beta/Preview naming (and reintroducing the old Alpha – again, as useless as it was in practice, the psychological impact on

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-03 Thread Peter Robinson
syncevolution -- SyncML client for evolution I'll take this one. Peter -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-03 Thread Christoph Höger
Am Samstag, den 03.10.2009, 10:09 +0100 schrieb Peter Robinson: syncevolution -- SyncML client for evolution I'll take this one. Peter I've just commented on that package, but you're not yet maintaining it, so I'll repeat what I've discussed with Matěj already: 1. There is some bug with

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-03 Thread Peter Robinson
2009/10/3 Christoph Höger choe...@cs.tu-berlin.de: Am Samstag, den 03.10.2009, 10:09 +0100 schrieb Peter Robinson: syncevolution -- SyncML client for evolution I'll take this one. Peter I've just commented on that package, but you're not yet maintaining it, so I'll repeat what I've

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-03 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 10/02/2009 04:53 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: So do we need to fix this? I think recognizing that there's different types of features and some of them can continue even if they are dropped while others must be (wholly or partially) reverted if

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 10/02/2009 09:19 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: - Wait until we have the list of approved features. - Divide them up amoung fesco and have a 'point contact' for each that is a fesco member. Having a FESCo owner to every feature in addition to the feature owner might help. Abrt was part of

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Christoph Wickert, Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:58:58 +0200: I'm going to take over nimbus. I already reviewed it and you asked me for co-maintenance. Sorry I didn't find the time to look into the EPEL build error sooner, it's still on my todo list. Ownership released. Concernig bug

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Dominic Hopf, Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:46:04 +0200: syncevolution -- SyncML client for evolution I would like to maintain this package then. Talk with Peter Robinson about comaintainership. Matěj -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-03 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: Dominic Hopf, Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:46:04 +0200: syncevolution -- SyncML client for evolution I would like to maintain this package then. Talk with Peter Robinson about comaintainership. I'll quite happily have someone to help

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Christoph Höger, Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:23:01 +0200: 2. The sync-ui binary (which I wanted to test the most ;)) is missing. It is not missing in devel (now F-12) package. But it is still not working correctly due to %{_libdir}/syncevolution packages. Matěj -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-03 Thread Matej Cepl
Peter Robinson, Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:09:20 +0100: syncevolution -- SyncML client for evolution I'll take this one. Released in pkgdb. Thanks. Matěj -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-03 Thread Dominic Hopf
Am Samstag, den 03.10.2009, 19:42 +0100 schrieb Peter Robinson: On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: Dominic Hopf, Sat, 03 Oct 2009 01:46:04 +0200: syncevolution -- SyncML client for evolution I would like to maintain this package then. Talk with Peter

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-02 Thread Matej Cepl
Jesse Keating, Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:39:16 -0700: We've stopped caring about anything outside of the critical path. Thanks for clarifying it. At least I know now that I should give up on maintaining Fedora packages because nobody cares about them. Will do next week. Matěj -- fedora-devel-list

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-02 Thread Michal Schmidt
Dne Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:08:16 + (UTC) Matej Cepl napsal(a): Jesse Keating, Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:39:16 -0700: We've stopped caring about anything outside of the critical path. Thanks for clarifying it. At least I know now that I should give up on maintaining Fedora packages because nobody

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-02 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009, Matej Cepl wrote: Jesse Keating, Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:39:16 -0700: We've stopped caring about anything outside of the critical path. Thanks for clarifying it. At least I know now that I should give up on maintaining Fedora packages because nobody cares about them. Will

Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-02 Thread Matej Cepl
(intentionally breaking the thread so this is not burried somewhere in depths) Michal Schmidt, Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:15:30 +0200: You're misinterpreting Jesse's quote out of context. I am misunderstanding them (in case your interpretation is more correct). So that's just that rel-eng doesn't

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-02 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:35:33 -0700 John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote: ...snip... The current FESCo might also want to consider taking more of a leadership role in monitoring the release processes, tracking the schedule, and evaluating the quality of the release under development and

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 15:26 +, Matej Cepl wrote: I am misunderstanding them (in case your interpretation is more correct). So that's just that rel-eng doesn't have enough work to do (otherwise, why they do not control only critical path components?). Releng and QA are very small

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-02 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2009/10/2 Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com: pspp -- A program for statistical analysis of sampled data I can take care of if. jbrout -- Photo manager, written in python/pygtk pyexiv2 -- Python binding to exiv2 (used by jbrout) I'm using it, so I'll take care of it.. -- With best regards, Peter

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-02 Thread Matěj Cepl
Jesse Keating jkeating at redhat.com writes: Releng and QA are very small groups. The Fedora package set is extremely large. Over 8K packages. The rate of change is far too grate to provide second guessing over every package. That's why I am surprised you want to click through all those

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-02 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Freitag, den 02.10.2009, 15:26 + schrieb Matej Cepl: I also wish to orphan these packages, and frankly I care about them much less, so if nobody steps up, I will probably just let them die. JSDoc -- Produces javadoc-style documentation from JavaScript sourcefiles nimbus -- Desktop

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 17:37:18 +, Matěj Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: Jesse Keating jkeating at redhat.com writes: Releng and QA are very small groups. The Fedora package set is extremely large. Over 8K packages. The rate of change is far too grate to provide second guessing over

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-02 Thread Matej Cepl
- Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: Bugs can include RFEs as well as actual brokeness. I don't think that really buys you anything. And a bad maintainer could just file an RFE for an upgrade and refer to that bug when they provide the upgrade. Yes, of course, but I expect Fedora

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-02 Thread drago01
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: - Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: Bugs can include RFEs as well as actual brokeness. I don't think that really buys you anything. And a bad maintainer could just file an RFE for an upgrade and refer to that bug when

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-02 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 17:37 +, Matěj Cepl wrote: That's why I am surprised you want to click through all those requests for fixes in non-essential packages. Why not leave them open (or allow updates only when bug number is attached)? Because we don't have the infrastructure to handle

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-02 Thread Dominic Hopf
Am Freitag, den 02.10.2009, 15:26 + schrieb Matej Cepl: syncevolution -- SyncML client for evolution I would like to maintain this package then. Regards, Dominic -- Dominic Hopf dma...@gmail.com http://dominichopf.de/ Key Fingerprint: A7DF C4FC 07AE 4DDC 5CA0 BD93 AAB0 6019 CA7D 868D

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-02 Thread John Poelstra
Kevin Fenzi said the following on 10/02/2009 08:49 AM Pacific Time: On Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:35:33 -0700 John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com wrote: ...snip... The current FESCo might also want to consider taking more of a leadership role in monitoring the release processes, tracking the

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 10/03/2009 05:20 AM, John Poelstra wrote: Sounds great to me, but would other members go for it? :) Maybe this is along the lines of the Features SIG that someone suggested a ways back. A important oddness of the feature process is that it is not actually necessary for the feature to be

Re: Orphaning some packages [Was: Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen]

2009-10-02 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 14:51:15 -0400, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: - Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: Bugs can include RFEs as well as actual brokeness. I don't think that really buys you anything. And a bad maintainer could just file an RFE for an upgrade and refer to

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-01 Thread Matej Cepl
Steve Dickson, Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:41:51 -0400: Maybe removing the Final Development part and replace it with something like Beta Freeze (Bug Fixes ONLY) might have helped. Well my problem with the current state is that it is not Bug Fixes ONLY, we are getting to acks (Red Hat people know

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-01 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 09:34:38AM +, Matej Cepl wrote: Steve Dickson, Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:41:51 -0400: Maybe removing the Final Development part and replace it with something like Beta Freeze (Bug Fixes ONLY) might have helped. Well my problem with the current state is that it is not Bug

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-01 Thread Steve Dickson
On 10/01/2009 05:34 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: Steve Dickson, Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:41:51 -0400: Maybe removing the Final Development part and replace it with something like Beta Freeze (Bug Fixes ONLY) might have helped. Well my problem with the current state is that it is not Bug Fixes ONLY,

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-01 Thread Jesse Keating
On Oct 1, 2009, at 2:28, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Josh Boyer wrote: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-06-12/fedora- meeting.2009-06-12-17.01.html Ah, there it is, I must have missed it when going through the summaries, sorry. :-( So I'll have to

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matej Cepl wrote: Well, RHEL commits (hopefully I am not leaking some NDA-covered information ;)) have to have something like fixes #123435 in the commit message. We could do the same easily but requesting that updates in bodhi have to be just bugfixes. I can make a bug out of almost

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-01 Thread John Poelstra
Kevin Kofler said the following on 10/01/2009 02:28 AM Pacific Time: So I'll have to blame the previous FESCo for voting this through with practically no feedback, as they observed themselves before the vote: 17:14:04 nirik has there been any feedback on lists or wiki? 17:14:15 * nirik just

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-01 Thread Kevin Kofler
John Poelstra wrote: The current FESCo might also want to consider taking more of a leadership role in monitoring the release processes, tracking the schedule, and evaluating the quality of the release under development and our ability to release on time. As the group responsible for guiding

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-01 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 12:53:21AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: John Poelstra wrote: The current FESCo might also want to consider taking more of a leadership role in monitoring the release processes, tracking the schedule, and evaluating the quality of the release under development and our

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-10-01 Thread Jon Stanley
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote: How about starting now?  Our last two meetings took about 20 min combined. We're through the Feature process mostly, and we're entering the part of the development cycle that people need help with, reminders for, planning,

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 18:21 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: One thing I think is unclear this cycle is the usage of the word Beta. It's been said many times that beta is not really beta but actually final freeze. For instance: If all goes as planned the Beta (previously known as Final

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Matej Cepl
Jesse Keating, Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:45:08 -0700: Right, I've always taken it to mean Our experimental code is in, and we're ready to take end user testing feedback on it which is different from our code is in, but not really done, and we don't care if it's broken because we're going to

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Peter Robinson
And Today I am %100 finished... Please point out which part of that did I misinterpret, because the last thing I want to do is cause problems... Because we do seem to fight this problem every release.  Was anyone else confused about when the deadline was?  It seems very clear to me, on

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Andrew Haley
Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 10:10 PM, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com wrote: My main concern is with installer, installing from NFS shares from older servers, say RHEL5. How will anaconda handle mounting? Will there be odd errors

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 05:33:15PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: * Firewall Friendly- With v4 only one port is used 2049 for all traffic including mounting and file locking. Amen to that! Rich. -- Richard Jones, Emerging Technologies, Red Hat http://et.redhat.com/~rjones libguestfs

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/30/2009 04:53 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 10:10 PM, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com wrote: My main concern is with installer, installing from NFS shares from older servers, say RHEL5. How will anaconda

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Andrew Haley
Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/30/2009 04:53 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 10:10 PM, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com wrote: My main concern is with installer, installing from NFS shares from older servers, say

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/30/2009 06:18 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/30/2009 04:53 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 10:10 PM, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com wrote: My main concern is with installer,

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Andrew Haley
Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/30/2009 06:18 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/30/2009 04:53 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 10:10 PM, Jeremy Katz wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com wrote: My main concern is with

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Howard Wilkinson
Steve, just for clarity what you are actually saying is that. On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 22:45 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 09:42 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com said: On the server (Which is suggested): * Add the following entry to the

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:21:04PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Examples of what to do and not do from this point forward: Do: Have something testable Do: Have the the feature significantly complete Do: submit bugfixes Do not: Enable the feature by default Do not: Make changes that cause

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 08:36:54AM +, Matej Cepl wrote: Jesse Keating, Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:45:08 -0700: Right, I've always taken it to mean Our experimental code is in, and we're ready to take end user testing feedback on it which is different from our code is in, but not really done, and

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/30/2009 07:22 AM, Howard Wilkinson wrote: Steve, just for clarity what you are actually saying is that. On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 22:45 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 09:42 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com said: On the server (Which is

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/30/2009 07:05 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: I can't see how it would cause a mount storm: all you'd be doing is issuing a mount request twice, once in each protocol. Times 1000 very 5 seconds... So 2000 every 5 seconds as opposed to 1000 every 5 seconds. This is surely better than

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com said: On the server (Which is suggested):    * Add the following entry to the /etc/exports file:      / *(ro,fsid=0) Note: 'fsid=0' is explained in the exports(5) man pages.

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Mike McGrath wrote: Because we do seem to fight this problem every release. Was anyone else confused about when the deadline was? It seems very clear to me, on several occasions, when features needed to be in by. This release cycle had an additional source of confusion because what used to

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Steve Dickson wrote: I my past, added things of this size in a beta release was actually common.. In alpha release you get the software married to the hardware (i.e. barely booting) and in beta release you added everything else... Yes, but that Alpha doesn't exist anymore and what was called

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matej Cepl wrote: Case in question ... I am not allowed to fix bug https:// bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=520998, which I have filed some time ago, watched that maintainer didn't do anything to it, finally after discussing it with OpenSSL maintainer I have decided that upgrading to the

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Toshio Kuratomi wrote: One thing I think is unclear this cycle is the usage of the word Beta. It's been said many times that beta is not really beta but actually final freeze. For instance: If all goes as planned the Beta (previously known as Final Development) Freeze in the message steved

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: We've tried to address unclear terminology this summer with the milestone adjustment proposal. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Milestone_Adjustment_Proposal This tries to apply industry standard naming to our release process, and as such we had to rename some things. The

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Howard Wilkinson
Steve, On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 08:36 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/30/2009 07:22 AM, Howard Wilkinson wrote: Steve, just for clarity what you are actually saying is that. On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 22:45 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 09:42 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/30/2009 11:07 AM, Howard Wilkinson wrote: With version 4 there is this concept of a pseudo root. Which meanings one can define, through exports, what the root of an export can be. Which is a good idea because you can define /export as the root, and nothing above /export can be

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: People with cargo cult knowledge knew what they meant but not new contributers nor community users. The change was for the better as it more clearly defines the milestones. So clearly that many feature owners are confused about what they mean? And don't forget that

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Brendan Conoboy
On 09/30/2009 04:09 AM, Steve Dickson wrote: I don't really understand this reason. When you get a mount fail, why not try v3? It doesn't matter whether the kernel gives a different kind of error or not. The error that is returned is ENOENT which is fatal error because it means the remote

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Steve Dickson
After further review... by a number of people, its been decided the /etc/nfsmount.conf file will be installed with the default protocol version set to v3. This will stop the mount failures with older Linux servers but make it very easy to make v4 the default version. A nice compromise, IMHO...

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 01:11:56PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: After further review... by a number of people, its been decided the /etc/nfsmount.conf file will be installed with the default protocol version set to v3. This will stop the mount failures with older Linux servers but make it very

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/30/2009 01:47 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 01:11:56PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: After further review... by a number of people, its been decided the /etc/nfsmount.conf file will be installed with the default protocol version set to v3. This will stop the mount

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Steve Dickson (ste...@redhat.com) said: Right or wrong.. I took Final Feature Freeze as the last chance of getting a feature into F12.. And I will be the first to admit I do not read all the rule and regulations of all the steps of a release... I look at dates.. When is the alpha and when

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/30/2009 03:18 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Steve Dickson (ste...@redhat.com) said: Right or wrong.. I took Final Feature Freeze as the last chance of getting a feature into F12.. And I will be the first to admit I do not read all the rule and regulations of all the steps of a

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 19:00 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: So clearly that many feature owners are confused about what they mean? A few feature owners missed the repeated messages. I'm sorry, it was bound to happen. Change causes disruption, but often that disruption is for the better good.

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: This isn't a post-facto justification. The only one-off for F12 was the removal of the milestone previously known as alpha. Making the renaming a one-time-only change as I'm proposing would be post facto. The rest of the milestone adjustment proposal came out of the

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/29/2009 05:43 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 17:33 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen Which means you're about a month too late in making it for Fedora 12. Please reconsider making this change, as we're /well/ past the

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 17:52 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: I thought today was the dead line... http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-development/372823-all-features-need-100-beta-freeze-2009-09-29-a.html Plus all the kernel parts and the user level code have been in placed for a few

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 17:52 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: I thought today was the dead line... http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-development/372823-all-features-need-100-beta-freeze-2009-09-29-a.html I should mention that Beta is the deadline to have the code in what we think is the final

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/29/2009 06:13 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 17:52 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: I thought today was the dead line... http://www.linux-archive.org/fedora-development/372823-all-features-need-100-beta-freeze-2009-09-29-a.html I should mention that Beta is the

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:21:35PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 06:13 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 17:52 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: I thought today was the dead line...

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/29/2009 06:55 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:21:35PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 06:13 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 17:52 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: I thought today was the dead line...

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 07:12:03PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 06:55 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:21:35PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 06:13 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 17:52 -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: I thought

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 19:16 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: I think that what we need, Steve, is some sort of information about what testing has happened up to this point that satisfies FESCo that this change the equivalent of moving the needle from 99% complete to 100% complete, as

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/29/2009 07:16 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 07:12:03PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 06:55 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:21:35PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 06:13 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-29 at

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 07:16 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 07:12:03PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 06:55 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:21:35PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 06:13

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread John Poelstra
Steve Dickson said the following on 09/29/2009 04:35 PM Pacific Time: On 09/29/2009 07:16 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 07:12:03PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 06:55 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:21:35PM -0400, Steve Dickson wrote:

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/29/2009 07:52 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: By no means did I interpret that at all... but here lies the problem... I had no idea I would have to convenience *anybody* of *anything* because I thought I made the dead line... again all following was the schedule in:

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 09/29/2009 05:38 PM, Steve Dickson wrote: On 09/29/2009 08:17 PM, John Poelstra wrote: [...snip...] I want to be perfectly clear that I'm not sounding an all clear on this by any means. If your answer here means that this change hasn't been thoroughly tested, you're going to have a hard

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com said: On the server (Which is suggested): * Add the following entry to the /etc/exports file: / *(ro,fsid=0) Note: 'fsid=0' is explained in the exports(5) man pages. The suggested solution is to change your NFS servers (that work just

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com wrote: My main concern is with installer, installing from NFS shares from older servers, say RHEL5.  How will anaconda handle mounting?  Will there be odd errors that are difficult to figure out?  Has this been tested in the

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/29/2009 09:42 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com said: On the server (Which is suggested): * Add the following entry to the /etc/exports file: / *(ro,fsid=0) Note: 'fsid=0' is explained in the exports(5) man pages. The suggested solution

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-29 Thread Steve Dickson
On 09/29/2009 09:21 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: One thing I think is unclear this cycle is the usage of the word Beta. It's been said many times that beta is not really beta but actually final freeze. For instance: If all goes as planned the Beta (previously known as Final Development) Freeze