On Thursday 01 October 2009 03:02:04 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
That's not about standardize on GTK+
That was just an example of how one size fits it all doesn't always work
when it comes to libraries, there will always be more than one library for
some purposes.
We
Lennart Poettering wrote:
Haha. So the major 'advantage' of Phonon that it would allow replacing
the backends as time progresses without breaking the KDE apps using
them now officially is proven to be bogus. The KDE/Qt folks were so
afraid of a media engine breaking API so that they created
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
Another interesting thing is PA Phonon integration work by Colin Guthrie
(see the link in my first message). Phonon just as wrapper/thin client for
PA with nicer Qt like API. I like this idea.
That's not what his current work does, and it's not really possible as PA
On Tuesday 29 Sep 2009 16:03:54 Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
We, KDE SIG, are considering which backend should be default for Phonon in
Fedora. Seems like it's not easy to agree on final decision @ KDE SIG
meetings, we'd like to summarize what's the problem, some backends facts
(please correct
2009/9/30 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de:
On Tue, 29.09.09 22:46, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
Uh. Nokia stands pretty firmly behind gst. As do most embedded folks.
Behind GStreamer, sure. Behind Phonon (and thus also Phonon-GStreamer),
On Wednesday 30 September 2009 15:33:43 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
Another interesting thing is PA Phonon integration work by Colin
Guthrie (see the link in my first message). Phonon just as wrapper/thin
client for PA with nicer Qt like API. I like this idea.
That's not
On Wed, 30.09.09 15:41, Thomas Janssen (thom...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
Haha. So the major 'advantage' of Phonon that it would allow replacing
the backends as time progresses without breaking the KDE apps using
them now officially is proven to be bogus. The KDE/Qt folks were so
afraid
On Wed, 30.09.09 10:15, Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) wrote:
So where's the problem? There are two Phonons - one in Qt, one in KDE. I
don't
like this schizophrenia. This should be solved but now we have to live with
one or another - that's why we brought this issue to the world.
On Wed, 30.09.09 13:53, Rahul Sundaram (sunda...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
On 09/30/2009 01:45 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
So where's the problem? There are two Phonons - one in Qt, one in KDE. I
don't
like this schizophrenia. This should be solved but now we have to live with
one
On 09/30/2009 09:40 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
This is a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem: if you don't activate gst
noone will test it. But you don't want to activate it by default
without testing.
True but we do have Phonon using Gstreamer as the backend in Rawhide. If
it has severe
Lennart Poettering wrote:
So I think it would make a lot of sense to switch to make our distro
Gst-only asap. Eventually this move will have to happen anyway.
Uh, I have to disagree there. It is not our job as distribution packagers to
dictate to upstream developers what multimedia library
On Wednesday 30 September 2009 19:11:36 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
So I think it would make a lot of sense to switch to make our distro
Gst-only asap. Eventually this move will have to happen anyway.
Uh, I have to disagree there. It is not our job as distribution
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 00:11 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 29.09.09 22:46, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote:
Behind GStreamer, sure. Behind Phonon (and thus also Phonon-GStreamer), not
so much. They're currently using it, but there are people working on the Qt
FJR == Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com writes:
FJR * Phonon backend not as mature as Xine one
FJR - missing functionality
Perhaps you could supply more detail as to which functionality is
missing?
- J
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Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
GStreamer backend facts:
* now default one in Fedora (F12, rawhide)
* GStreamer is Fedora's default multimedia framework
- better support from Fedora side? (PA, releases)
* Phonon backend not as mature as Xine one
- missing functionality
More bugs too.
* Maybe
On Tue, 29.09.09 18:23, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote:
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
GStreamer backend facts:
* now default one in Fedora (F12, rawhide)
* GStreamer is Fedora's default multimedia framework
- better support from Fedora side? (PA, releases)
* Phonon backend not
On Tue, 2009-09-29 at 17:03 +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
Hi!
We, KDE SIG, are considering which backend should be default for Phonon in
Fedora. Seems like it's not easy to agree on final decision @ KDE SIG
meetings,
we'd like to summarize what's the problem, some backends facts (please
Lennart Poettering wrote:
Uh. Nokia stands pretty firmly behind gst. As do most embedded folks.
Behind GStreamer, sure. Behind Phonon (and thus also Phonon-GStreamer), not
so much. They're currently using it, but there are people working on the Qt
Mobility project talking about replacing
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
Do I hear an I told you so!?
Abstractionitis is an illness, not a remedy.
Aren't you the pulseaudio developer?
/runs and hides
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