Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-16 Thread James Laska
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 01:33 -0600, Jerry Vonau wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 09:35 -0500, Andy Gospodarek wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:27:28PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Toshio Kuratomi (a badger gmail com) said: There are definitely workarounds available, but none that

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-15 Thread Jerry Vonau
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 09:35 -0500, Andy Gospodarek wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:27:28PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Toshio Kuratomi (a badger gmail com) said: There are definitely workarounds available, but none that meet the criteria for preupgrade as an effortless

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-13 Thread James Laska
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 09:35 -0500, Andy Gospodarek wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:27:28PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said: There are definitely workarounds available, but none that meet the criteria for preupgrade as an effortless upgrade

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 14:56 -0500, James Laska wrote: Greetings folks, After careful review by Will Woods around recently discovered problems related to preupgrading to Fedora 12, I've filed ticket#270 (https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/270) for discussion at the next FESCO meeting.

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Jochen Schmitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 12.11.2009 20:56, schrieb James Laska: preupgrade to F12 is basically not going to work for anyone without significant manual workarounds, due to insufficient disk space on /boot. I think we may need to talk to hughsie and/or the desktop team

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Richard Hughes
2009/11/12 James Laska jla...@redhat.com:        preupgrade to F12 is basically not going to work for anyone        without significant manual workarounds, due to insufficient disk        space on /boot. I think we may need to talk to hughsie and/or        the desktop team about removing the

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Neal Becker
James Laska wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 13:00 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 14:56 -0500, James Laska wrote: Greetings folks, After careful review by Will Woods around recently discovered problems related to preupgrading to Fedora 12, I've filed ticket#270

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Conrad Meyer
On Thursday 12 November 2009 12:10:13 pm James Laska wrote: *snip* So there's 174MB of usable space maximum, and usually 158MB available. preupgrade now requires at least 167MB free space on /boot: F12 installer images: 143MB (8mb larger than F11!) F12

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009, Neal Becker wrote: James Laska wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 13:00 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 14:56 -0500, James Laska wrote: Greetings folks, After careful review by Will Woods around recently discovered problems related to preupgrading to Fedora

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread James Laska
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 15:25 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: James Laska wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 13:00 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 14:56 -0500, James Laska wrote: Greetings folks, After careful review by Will Woods around recently discovered problems related

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 15:10 -0500, James Laska wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 13:00 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 14:56 -0500, James Laska wrote: Greetings folks, After careful review by Will Woods around recently discovered problems related to preupgrading to

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 12:26 -0800, Conrad Meyer wrote: Is part of the reason the F-12 kernel is so much larger that the debugging switch is still flipped on? That's only true for the older F12 development kernels. The kernels since 2.6.31.5-94 have had debugging turned off. -- Jesse

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread John Reiser
F12 kernel: 18MB (10mb larger than F11!) Is part of the reason the F-12 kernel is so much larger that the debugging switch is still flipped on? F12 initrd (initramfs) is about 15.5MB (x86_64) or 11.3MB (i686). F11 initrd (initramfs) is about 3.5MB (x86_64) or 3.0MB

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Thursday 12 November 2009, Jesse Keating wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 12:26 -0800, Conrad Meyer wrote: Is part of the reason the F-12 kernel is so much larger that the debugging switch is still flipped on? That's only true for the older F12 development kernels. The kernels since

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Jesse Keating
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 23:30 +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: Are the newer non-debug ones still 10MB larger than the F-11 ones (more than twice the size)? If yes, why is that? Just wondering. They are larger, due to using dracut to make the initrds rather than mkinitrd. -- Jesse Keating

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com said: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 15:10 -0500, James Laska wrote: preupgrade now requires at least 167MB free space on /boot: F12 installer images: 143MB (8mb larger than F11!) F12 kernel: 18MB (10mb larger

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Will Woods
- Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: I don't think increasing /boot just because of preupgrade is a viable solution, as the installer image continues to grow. Is it possible instead to put the installer image (the real problem) somewhere else, like /? Why does it need to be in /boot?

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Farkas Levente
On 11/12/2009 10:45 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 23:30 +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: Are the newer non-debug ones still 10MB larger than the F-11 ones (more than twice the size)? If yes, why is that? Just wondering. They are larger, due to using dracut to make the

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 02:56:42PM -0500, James Laska wrote: Greetings folks, After careful review by Will Woods around recently discovered problems related to preupgrading to Fedora 12, I've filed ticket#270 (https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/270) for discussion at the next FESCO

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/13/2009 05:05 AM, Farkas Levente wrote: On 11/12/2009 10:45 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 23:30 +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: Are the newer non-debug ones still 10MB larger than the F-11 ones (more than twice the size)? If yes, why is that? Just wondering. They are

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
Sorry for breaking thread: There are definitely workarounds available, but none that meet the criteria for preupgrade as an effortless upgrade option. So I'm a bit confused by what is so hard here. preupgrade starts up, finds it can't store stage2, and then tells you that you'll need to have

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Bill Nottingham
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said: There are definitely workarounds available, but none that meet the criteria for preupgrade as an effortless upgrade option. So I'm a bit confused by what is so hard here. preupgrade starts up, finds it can't store stage2, and then tells you that

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:27:28PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said: There are definitely workarounds available, but none that meet the criteria for preupgrade as an effortless upgrade option. So I'm a bit confused by what is so hard here.