Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-30 Thread Lorenzo Villani
On Monday 29 June 2009 16:19:13 Cliff Nadler wrote: I think a Help me choose choice that takes you to a page with descriptions of each spin's environment would be more friendly (and probably more accurate as to why someone would want to use that choice. [cut] I agree, Help me choose +

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-30 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Tuesday 30 June 2009, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Richard Junerj...@bravegnuworld.com wrote: Does archetecture get exported anywhere by javascript? If so, it would provide a simple way to query the users' hardware. No. Sure it does get exported, kind of, but at

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ville Skyttä wrote: Sure it does get exported, kind of, but at least some parsing is required and there are cross browser issues; see navigator.platform, navigator.oscpu and/or navigator.userAgent. Anyway, as others have already noted, the usefulness of that info for the above purpose is very

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Miller wrote: That's actually a little different, Kubutu and Xubuntu are considered completely separate distributions from within the Ubuntu community. That wasn't really my point (it was about their use of just one letter for each desktop environment), but... They all have disjoint

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-30 Thread Adam Miller
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: That said, Kubuntu and Xubuntu aren't really completely separate either, they're just marketed as such. They're really just spins from the same repository. The way they're marketed as separate is really silly. They are

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Miller wrote: But none of that really matters, and I do see your point that we would essentially run into a similar situation from a marketing standpoint Huh? If you follow the thread, I didn't really make that point at all! I just said made a semi-serious remark about how having a desktop

Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread David
Re the discussion at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties: - it presents a neutral default - it presents a simple choice for newbie who doesnt know what a desktop is - it shows the range of what is available -

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Niels Haase
2009/6/29 David bouncingc...@gmail.com: Re the discussion at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties: - it presents a neutral default - it presents a simple choice for newbie who doesnt know what a desktop is

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Naheem Zaffar
The I don't care looks like get me out of here!. Not presenting a default choice is just bad usability. Those that know about the different desktop environments should be offered an easy and accessible way to get to them (I am not suggesting that the current page does that - but presenting a

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Monday 29 June 2009 13:22:05 Naheem Zaffar wrote: The I don't care looks like get me out of here!. I don't care really scares me. If you don't care then system installation or using with live CD is not a job for you! Jaroslav Not presenting a default choice is just bad usability. Those

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Thomas Janssen
2009/6/29 David bouncingc...@gmail.com: Re the discussion at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties: - it presents a neutral default - it presents a simple choice for newbie who doesnt know what a desktop is

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Michal Hlavinka
On Monday 29 June 2009 12:48:11 David wrote: Re the discussion at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties: - it presents a neutral default - it presents a simple choice for newbie who doesnt know what a

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Niels Haase
2009/6/29 Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org: 2009/6/29 David bouncingc...@gmail.com: Re the discussion at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties: - it presents a neutral default - it presents a

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Adam Miller
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Davidbouncingc...@gmail.com wrote: Re the discussion at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties: - it presents a neutral default - it presents a simple choice for newbie who

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jaroslav Reznik wrote: I don't care really scares me. If you don't care then system installation or using with live CD is not a job for you! +1, and that's why the current design which is optimized for people who don't care is broken. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/29/2009 07:22 AM, Naheem Zaffar wrote: The I don't care looks like get me out of here!. Not presenting a default choice is just bad usability. Those that know about the different desktop environments should be offered an easy and accessible way to get to them (I am not suggesting that the

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/29/2009 09:35 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: David wrote: The I don't care just links to whichever desktop is currently the default. People who don't care should (and will, anyway) just keep using Winblow$ or whatever crap they're currently using. If you're going through the effort of

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Kevin Kofler
Roberto Ragusa wrote: (Funny that the order of the desktops has come out alphabetically sorted too) We may want to list XFCE before LXDE as its the more mature option. But I don't have popularity stats for those, so I don't know which one is more popular. The more popular one should be listed

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Adam Miller
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote: Fedora Live Image  --- A link that downloads the Gnome or KDE image, picked at random by a script. SNIP Now its just getting silly... What a support nightmare that would be. user I need help fedora-member What desktop are

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Adam Miller on 06/29/2009 11:31 AM wrote: Now its just getting silly... What a support nightmare that would be. user I need help fedora-member What desktop are you running? user I dunno ... I just downloaded the default fedora-member . Enjoy DE Russian Roulette :) What if the

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Thomas Janssen
2009/6/29 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at: Roberto Ragusa wrote: (Funny that the order of the desktops has come out alphabetically sorted too) We may want to list XFCE before LXDE as its the more mature option. But I don't have popularity stats for those, so I don't know which one is

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Thomas Janssen
2009/6/29 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com: On Monday 29 June 2009 17:02:36 Michael Cronenworth wrote: Dariusz J. Garbowski on 06/29/2009 09:56 AM wrote: Maybe call it Default then? No, because that's offensive to some people apparently. No, default is not offensive! Gnome Desktop Live

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Adam Miller
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Michael Cronenworthm...@cchtml.com wrote: What if the Fedora version had a suffix? Fedora 11G - Gnome       11K - KDE       11X - XFCE       11S - no desktop (server?) Seems silly, too, yes, but just an idea. Somewhat silly, but the naming convention

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Roberto Ragusam...@robertoragusa.it wrote: I propose: FEDORA LIVE CD Fedora includes many desktops. You can choose:  [ * ]  Fedora Live with GNOME (default)  [   ]  Fedora Live with KDE  

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Ben Boeckel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Niels Haase wrote: I wonder if we could find also a way to get the 32bit vs. 64bit choice also so smart integrated? Like a additional radio button at the end for choosing 32bit or 64bit. PS: Hope that this not cause the next long discussion

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Ben Boeckelmaths...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Niels Haase wrote: I wonder if we could find also a way to get the 32bit vs. 64bit choice also so smart integrated? Like a additional radio button at the end for choosing

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 21:07:50 +0100, Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote: It's a silly suggestion for a silly thread. I've never had the impression that Fedora was targeted toward the newbie user demographic. My MP3 swilling, DVD consuming former Windows using friends have mostly

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Richard June
Does archetecture get exported anywhere by javascript? If so, it would provide a simple way to query the users' hardware. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Thomas Janssen
2009/6/29 Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:52 PM, drago01drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Roberto Ragusam...@robertoragusa.it wrote: I propose: FEDORA LIVE CD Fedora

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Richard Junerj...@bravegnuworld.com wrote: Does archetecture get exported anywhere by javascript? If so, it would provide a simple way to query the users'  hardware. No. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:12:10 +0200 drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Richard Junerj...@bravegnuworld.com wrote: Does archetecture get exported anywhere by javascript? If so, it would provide a simple way to query the users'  hardware. No. Additionally,

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Adam Miller
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Well, Ubuntu will have a problem at that point as well (see Kubuntu and Xubuntu). ;-) Maybe we should write a U Desktop Environment just to give them trouble. ^^ That's actually a little different, Kubutu and Xubuntu

Re: Suggestion re FESCO Ticket #170

2009-06-29 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 06/29/2009 09:42 PM, Adam Miller wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Well, Ubuntu will have a problem at that point as well (see Kubuntu and Xubuntu). ;-) Maybe we should write a U Desktop Environment just to give them trouble. ^^