Re: Why not to create Fedora-us and Fedora-non-us branches?

2009-05-26 Thread Tom Lane
live. So as long as a significant fraction of Fedora contributors are in $country, $country laws will matter for Fedora. (Repeat above statement for a rather long list of $country.) regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-06-13 Thread Tom Lane
to create them as part of our normal development cycle and iron out all the bugs before users attempt to use them. I agree with that chain of reasoning, but am not convinced of the starting premise. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list

Re: Why a multilib wrapper for non-multilib architectures?!

2009-06-13 Thread Tom Lane
it. Personally I don't use multilib wrappers on arches that don't need it; I think not needing extra cases in the wrapper header outweighs the added complexity in the specfile. But I'm not going to tell the gmp maintainer he's wrong for doing it the other way. regards, tom lane

Re: Changing the default 32-bit x86 arch for Fedora 12

2009-06-15 Thread Tom Lane
builds are for legacy hardware *now*, and should be understood as such. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Heads Up: e2fsprogs library split-out

2009-06-29 Thread Tom Lane
packages don't pick up the refactoring. AFAIR, the only reason postgresql BR's this is because libcom_err is depended on by krb5, which it uses. I wonder whether the separate BR is still needed at all --- shouldn't a BR on krb5-devel be sufficient? regards, tom lane

Re: readline update?

2009-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
as showstoppers. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

F-11 updates seem hosed today

2009-07-13 Thread Tom Lane
yum to ignore these packages and apply the updates it did get, either ... regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-26 Thread Tom Lane
trust you meant to write 0555? regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-07-26 Thread Tom Lane
Steve Grubb sgr...@redhat.com writes: On Sunday 26 July 2009 08:38:45 pm Tom Lane wrote: I trust you meant to write 0555? No, I really mean 005 so that root daemons are using public permissions. What's the point? The most you will accomplish is to confuse people (and perhaps programs too

More Fedora mock breakage

2009-07-31 Thread Tom Lane
-rawhide-x86_64. What's especially curious is that it seems to work if I rm -rf the contents of /var/lib/mock and /var/cache/mock first... but I'm not eager to re-download all that stuff every time. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list

Re: More Fedora mock breakage

2009-07-31 Thread Tom Lane
the problem. [ consults CVS... ] So XZ support in F-11's rpm is less than a week old, there is *no* support in F-10, and we're already requiring the capability in order to do useful development work? All I can say is WTF. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: More Fedora mock breakage

2009-07-31 Thread Tom Lane
Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com writes: On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 18:48 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: [ consults CVS... ] So XZ support in F-11's rpm is less than a week old, there is *no* support in F-10, and we're already requiring the capability in order to do useful development work? All I can

Re: Rebuilding mysql 5.1.30-1 fails under fc11

2009-08-02 Thread Tom Lane
it as root. As was already stated, it's hard to diagnose with so little information. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: More Fedora mock breakage

2009-08-03 Thread Tom Lane
Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com writes: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 08:41:17PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 06:48:54PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: [ consults CVS... ] So XZ support in F-11's rpm is less than a week old, there is *no* support in F-10, and we're already

Re: Updates lacking descriptions

2009-08-13 Thread Tom Lane
to several pages. I see little point in extracting one or two sentences which is what the bodhi update notes seem to expect.) regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Rebuilding mysql 5.1.30-1 fails under fc11

2009-08-14 Thread Tom Lane
to 12 hours, which I hope will be enough for mass-rebuild scenarios like this one. In the meantime, you'd probably find that it rebuilds okay if you do it by itself. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com

Build fails in koji, but not anywhere else ... how to debug?

2009-08-14 Thread Tom Lane
low-level changes that might have been applied to the build machines a month or so ago. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

glibc error reports go to the bit bucket in koji

2009-08-18 Thread Tom Lane
fix things so that such reports show up in the build.log? regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: glibc error reports go to the bit bucket in koji

2009-08-18 Thread Tom Lane
Mike Bonnet mi...@redhat.com writes: On 08/18/2009 06:14 PM, Tom Lane wrote: **The build logs from koji do not contain this rather critical information**. I haven't dug into the glibc sources, but what it looks like on my own machine is that these reports go to /dev/tty not to stderr

Build requirements for threaded code?

2009-08-19 Thread Tom Lane
This might be a stupid question, but: what compile and link options are necessary nowadays for multithreaded code? I see various references to -pthread and -lpthread, but it's hard to be sure what's authoritative. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: GCC var-tracking-assignments: testing and bug reports appreciated

2009-09-10 Thread Tom Lane
' entirely legitimate fears. (I entirely agree with the concerns about this being a violation of agreed-on process, btw, and would not be unhappy with a summary rejection as an alternative.) regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: PPC/PPC64 disabled in Koji for dist-f13

2009-09-30 Thread Tom Lane
that is on the upswing? regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: PPC/PPC64 disabled in Koji for dist-f13

2009-09-30 Thread Tom Lane
compromise would be to include ppc but not ppc64? That would cover basic BE portability issues, if not the occasional BE-and-64-bit bug. And it would halve the present workload of the PPC builders, which might help the build time issue. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list

Re: Simplify non-responsive maintainers policy Part 2

2009-10-21 Thread Tom Lane
them. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS (in Rawhide) is about to happen

2009-10-26 Thread Tom Lane
Steve Dickson ste...@redhat.com writes: Because the mount command will try NFS v4 first, mounts to older Linux servers will start failing like: What happens with a mount to a UDP-only server? (or actually /net automount is what I care about...) regards, tom lane

Re: Broken dependencies script at it again

2009-11-14 Thread Tom Lane
and libc.so both ought to be trigger points for an I'm-not-sane kill switch. Or maybe reverse the logic: if you fail to find *any* of a package's dependencies, you're probably broken and should shut up. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list

Re: Broken dependencies script at it again

2009-11-14 Thread Tom Lane
, it won't spam the entire package maintainer list. We can predict the future to the extent of being sure this will happen again. The thing is useful when it's working, but it will stop being useful if people get conditioned to ignore it. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list

Re: RFC: Btrfs snapshots feature for F13

2009-11-17 Thread Tom Lane
, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: A silly question about our FC tag

2009-11-18 Thread Tom Lane
with special cases will lead nowhere but pain. Perhaps more to the point: changing this isn't worth spending *ANY* time on, let alone large amounts of time. fc is fine. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com

F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-18 Thread Tom Lane
So I just spent a frustrating little while looking for the focus-follows-mouse setting on a fairly-vanilla F12 installation. As far as I can tell it ain't there. What became of gnome-window-properties? regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-18 Thread Tom Lane
Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org writes: On 11/19/2009 05:00 AM, Tom Lane wrote: So I just spent a frustrating little while looking for the focus-follows-mouse setting on a fairly-vanilla F12 installation. As far as I can tell it ain't there. What became of gnome-window-properties

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Tom Lane
, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Tom Lane
Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com writes: On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 10:01 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Upstream change or not, you're pissing off users to save 59k out of however many gigabytes a minimal GNOME install is. I shouldn't really presume to speak for others, but for me focus-follows-mouse

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-23 Thread Tom Lane
that upstream will agree that it's a problem. I don't have a horse in this race, since none of my packages contain any fonts. I will note though that my own response would involve procmail'ing these complaints to /dev/null. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: Notification of uploads to the lookaside cache

2009-11-23 Thread Tom Lane
eaten by my spam filters. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: memset bugs.

2009-11-25 Thread Tom Lane
distinguish that from compile-time-constant expressions is an interesting question, but if they can, +1 for throwing an error. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)

2009-12-13 Thread Tom Lane
of 64-bit pointers. For what percentage of code is that an appreciable advantage? Pretty much everything, actually. The x86 ISA completely sucks. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo

Re: MariaDB and Fedora

2009-12-13 Thread Tom Lane
as long as people are willing to work on that. Evidently Monty isn't.) regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Fedora update submission page broken for multiple packages

2009-12-16 Thread Tom Lane
? regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Fedora update submission page broken for multiple packages

2009-12-16 Thread Tom Lane
Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:15:37PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: I tried to submit an update for both the fc12 and fc11 versions of postgresql. It did not work; I had to file them as separate updates. I'm pretty sure it used to work --- is my memory failing

Re: Fedora update submission page broken for multiple packages

2009-12-16 Thread Tom Lane
is for.) The case I was complaining about seems to be that adding a new package to an *existing* update request doesn't work. If you get it right before you hit submit, it's worked for awhile. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: autofs not installed by default

2009-12-18 Thread Tom Lane
to automate it. Comments? regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Question about a lib requires

2009-12-19 Thread Tom Lane
for that sort of binaries. ... as, indeed, libtiff just did a few days ago. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Mass rebuild for F13?

2009-12-21 Thread Tom Lane
in the patch file too. For one thing, they're much more likely to get updated when the patch changes that way. The packaging guideline seems to be written with one-liner comments in mind, but my comments often run to more than that. regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing

Re: Our static Libraries packaging guidelines once more

2010-01-05 Thread Tom Lane
of their libraries. On the other hand, with the guideline being so widely ignored, I'm not in a hurry to do work to comply with it ... regards, tom lane -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Our static Libraries packaging guidelines once more

2010-01-05 Thread Tom Lane
Tom \spot\ Callaway tcall...@redhat.com writes: On 01/05/2010 11:30 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 11:03 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: On the other hand, with the guideline being so widely ignored, I'm not in a hurry to do work to comply with it ... Isn't that a chicken/egg