Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-05-06 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 6, 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 05/05/2009 09:29 AM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Hopefully the authors got any permission needed from nVidia. But there's no evidence of that in the patch, and I don't know for a fact that they did. Do you? Yes. NVIDIA is aware

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-05-05 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 05/04/2009 10:23 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: but it is probably something that we could try to address with Broadcom and the owners of the code space, (specifically, Yaniv Rosner yan...@broadcom.com). Have you reached out to him about your concerns? Nope. Perhaps you should do that as

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-05-05 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 5, 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 05/04/2009 10:23 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: but it is probably something that we could try to address with Broadcom and the owners of the code space, (specifically, Yaniv Rosner yan...@broadcom.com). Have you reached out to

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-05-04 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Apr 30, 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: It took you several emails to accomplish this, and I just don't have enough time to chase ghost issues where your personal stance on licensing differs from Fedora's. I have a high degree of confidence at this point that you

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-05-04 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 05/04/2009 09:15 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: I'm pretty sure the definition of Fedora licensing policies does not make room for blatant copyright violation, distributing code under GPL+restrictions that is derived from GPL code. And, again, the GPL violation is not firmware, it's driver

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-05-04 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On May 4, 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: Is this what you're talking about? (And if so, why couldn't you just *#$ing say so?) Message-ID: orfxfsndp8@oliva.athome.lsd.ic.unicamp.br [...] it's a driver under a license that's not even compatible with GPLv2?

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-30 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 04/30/2009 01:09 AM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Not enough of a clue that I wrote: What if one piece of firmware is licensed under: For what it is worth, when you begin a sentence in English with: What if..., it is almost always a hypothetical scenario. Had you written: There is a case

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-30 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 04/30/2009 01:09 AM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Now, you don't have to report anything back to the list or to myself, but please don't fail to do your job just because you can't stand me. It's an important job, and the Fedora community counts on you to do it. As to this specific point,

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-29 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Apr 26, 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: If we find these non-redistributable firmware bits anywhere, we'd remove them. What if one piece of firmware is licensed under: * This file contains firmware data derived from proprietary unpublished * source code, [...] * *

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-29 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 04/29/2009 03:04 AM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: * [...] this software is licensed to you * under the terms of the GNU General Public License version 2 [...] * * Notwithstanding the above, under no circumstances may you combine this * software in any way with any other $PARTY software

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-29 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Apr 29, 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/29/2009 03:04 AM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Which of the two should be taken out so that the other can be redistributable? Perhaps the latter, given that it's a driver under a license that's not even compatible with GPLv2?

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-29 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 04/29/2009 01:19 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: The copyright holder didn't permit the combination of the second piece of code (which, being driver code rather than firmware, is software even under your standards) with the other “derived from proprietary unpublished source code” Given that

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-29 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Apr 29, 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/29/2009 01:19 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: The copyright holder didn't permit the combination of the second piece of code (which, being driver code rather than firmware, is software even under your standards) with the other

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-29 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 04/29/2009 03:06 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Say I create two works A and B. I publish A under a permissive license. I publish B under a license that prohibits its combination with A. Per your reasoning, you're entitled to publish a combination of A and B. If you create work A that is

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-29 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Apr 29, 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/29/2009 03:06 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Say I create two works A and B. I publish A under a permissive license. I publish B under a license that prohibits its combination with A. Per your reasoning, you're entitled

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-29 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 04/29/2009 05:29 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: grep for the license notices I posted to find them in the Linux 2.6.29 source tree. (The firmware in driver A moved into firmware/ in 2.6.30-pre, but I haven't checked how or even whether the license notices were adjusted) Look. I'm a patient

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-29 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 04/29/2009 10:26 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Given all the opinions you volunteered as to this problem, it was just reasonable for me to assume that you were (i) as aware of the issue as Red Hat legal is, and (ii) misguided as to its seriousness, for people who take legal issues seriously

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-29 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Apr 29, 2009, Tom \spot\ Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: My psychic powers not withstanding, you really shouldn't make assumptions. As I wrote, I made them based on your opinions. I honestly didn't expect you to go about making strong assertions without having the faintest clue as to

[Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi Planet GNOME points to this bug now which is apparently non-redistributable firmware being included in Ubuntu for quite sometime. Just a heads up to make sure we aren't having the same problem. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/223212 Rahul

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Linux firmware

2009-04-26 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 04/26/2009 04:29 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi Planet GNOME points to this bug now which is apparently non-redistributable firmware being included in Ubuntu for quite sometime. Just a heads up to make sure we aren't having the same problem.