FUDCon Brno 2008

2008-07-17 Thread Max Spevack
Hi Fedora, The next FUDCon will take place in Brno, Czech Republic, from September 5 - 7, 2008. The main conference day and social event will be on Saturday (to attract the most people), with hackfest days on Friday and Sunday. FUDCon is always free to attend, no matter where in the world

Re: new Artwork ideas for FC10

2008-07-17 Thread TransNet Informática
Well, I'm a new artworker (or I'm trying to be it, at least) in Fedora's artwork team, sincerely I don't jnow about other artworkers, but my opinio is your idea is good enough, even for remembering all those gys whose made Fedora to be just what it is! You thougt greatly. DruPen P.S. I

Re: [Echo] palette adjustment proposal

2008-07-17 Thread Martin Sourada
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 10:01 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, based on some discussion with Mark, I decided to suggest slight adjustment to the brown part of the Echo palette. See the attachments for comparison between the new one and the old one, the colour changes are: old - new

[Nodoka GTK2 Engine] Gathering ideas for next release

2008-07-17 Thread Martin Sourada
Hi, I am thinking about improving the nodoka gtk engine looks in the next release and adding some configuration options. Therefore I am asking here, if you have ideas, requests, ... what I might implement. Today I started sketching new nodoka gradient (used in e.g. buttons), which is basically an

[Bug 455717] New: Update sources to version 1.04.

2008-07-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455717 Summary: Update sources to version 1.04. Product: Fedora Version: rawhide

[Issue 90735] fonts displayed are thin, weak, malformed

2008-07-17 Thread es
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=90735 User es changed the following: What|Old value |New value

rpms/padauk-fonts/devel import.log, NONE, 1.1 padauk-fonts-fontconfig.conf, NONE, 1.1 padauk-fonts.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2008-07-17 Thread Minto Joseph
Author: mintojoseph Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/padauk-fonts/devel In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv19135/devel Modified Files: .cvsignore sources Added Files: import.log padauk-fonts-fontconfig.conf padauk-fonts.spec Log Message: Initial Commit --- NEW FILE

[Bug 455754] Backport version 1.04 to Fedora 9.

2008-07-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Backport version 1.04 to Fedora 9. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455754 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-07-17 12:03 EST

[Bug 455787] chkfontpath-1.10.1-1.fc9 is missing from F9

2008-07-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: chkfontpath-1.10.1-1.fc9 is missing from F9 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455787 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed

[Bug 455783] xorg-x11-fonts-truetype-7.2 package is missing in F9

2008-07-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: xorg-x11-fonts-truetype-7.2 package is missing in F9 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed

[Bug 455783] xorg-x11-fonts-truetype-7.2 package is missing in F9

2008-07-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: xorg-x11-fonts-truetype-7.2 package is missing in F9 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455783 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Issue 90735] fonts displayed are thin, weak, malformed

2008-07-17 Thread vgivanovic
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=90735 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jul 17 20:28:28 + 2008 --- Yes, I am stuck on the priority issue. I think the stated criteria should be

[Bug 437689] xorg-x11-fonts-ethiopic is not exposed correctly

2008-07-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: xorg-x11-fonts-ethiopic is not exposed correctly https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437689 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed

[Bug 272521] Handle fonts with many styles gracefully

2008-07-17 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Handle fonts with many styles gracefully Alias: x-fontstyle-support https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=272521 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What

doing FAS2 with sqlalchemy-migrate

2008-07-17 Thread Yaakov Nemoy
Hey List, There are alot of tickets for FAS2 outstanding that require some changes to the DB. Toshio is working on getting sqlalchemy-migrate into Fedora now, so I felt it would be fitting to get FAS2 to be an example of how to do it right. (This means I am probably doing something wrong.)

Database Upgrades

2008-07-17 Thread Mike McGrath
So next week will be an interesting week regarding our databases. It just so happened this way but db1 and db3 will be ready at about the same time. The new db1 will replace the old db1 exactly. We'd already migrated to it a couple of weeks ago but had to revert after some memory issues came up.

Re: Database Upgrades

2008-07-17 Thread Oliver Falk
Mike McGrath wrote: So next week will be an interesting week regarding our databases. It just so happened this way but db1 and db3 will be ready at about the same time. The new db1 will replace the old db1 exactly. We'd already migrated to it a couple of weeks ago but had to revert after some

Re: doing FAS2 with sqlalchemy-migrate

2008-07-17 Thread Yaakov Nemoy
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Luke Macken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reviewed and approved python-migrate yesterday. It's currently waiting to be built. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=452388 How long does that take? I'll have to change the docs once it's done. -Yaakov

Meeting Log - 2008-07-17

2008-07-17 Thread Ricky Zhou
16:00 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Who's Here? 16:00 * ricky 16:00 * ianweller 16:00 * SmootherFrOgZ 16:00 G baaa 16:01 * abadger1999 16:01 mmcgrath Ok, lets get cracking 16:02 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to:

Outage Notification - 2008-07-22 04:59 UTC (MAJOR)

2008-07-17 Thread Mike McGrath
There will be an outage starting at 2008-07-22 04:59 UTC, which will last approximately 10 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2008-07-22 04:59 UTC' Affected Services: Websites Buildsystem Database

Re: Welcome to the Fedora-laptop-list mailing list

2008-07-17 Thread Junior Tomazelli
Hello, everyone have one Asus laptop G1 with fedora 9 and full hardware operation? -- Wolnei Candido Tomazelli Junior (Charged) Embaixador do Fedora Designer e Consultor de TI E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-laptop-list mailing list

100incomes wants to keep up with you on Twitter

2008-07-17 Thread 100incomes
To find out more about Twitter, visit the link below: http://twitter.com/i/694dce559b3d4740e683c20b43faa5d51a4e8871 Thanks, -The Twitter Team About Twitter Twitter is a unique approach to communication and networking based on the simple concept of status. What are you doing? What are your

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-17 Thread Richard M Stallman
Only the Free Software Foundation can release versions of the GNU General Public License. And the automatic relicensing provision applies only to future versions released by the Free Software Foundation. The GNU GPL was not designed to be open source. I wrote it for the free software movement,

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 17, 2008, DJ Delorie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can't go 'hey, ma, look this book I wrote' when what you wrote was only the preface. Likewise, you can't go hey, world, look at this operating system I wrote when all what wrote was only the C

Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...

2008-07-17 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 22:36:00 Mike Chalmers wrote: OK, I can log into KDE now but everything is different. Thanks for getting me back into KDE. Could you tell me step by step how to get my settings back, is that possible? I don't understand what you mean by this: You can copy mail

Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...

2008-07-17 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 22:35:47 Mike Burger wrote: Ditto. However, just about a week ago a routine update installed xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.3.2-2.fc9.i386. This is the package that is suspected of being the cause of the problem. Do you have that one? Desktop effects - try System

Re: Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates

2008-07-17 Thread Rance Hall
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:49 AM, stan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could just set up two identical machines, one on the internet, one off. Set up yum to cache the packages on the machine connected to the internet. Use the cache to burn a DVD. The packages are all signed with a redhat key

FUDCon Brno 2008

2008-07-17 Thread Max Spevack
Hi Fedora, The next FUDCon will take place in Brno, Czech Republic, from September 5 - 7, 2008. The main conference day and social event will be on Saturday (to attract the most people), with hackfest days on Friday and Sunday. FUDCon is always free to attend, no matter where in the world

SATA hotswap / hotplug

2008-07-17 Thread Christopher Mocock
Hi list, I'm trying to get SATA hot-swapping to work in Fedora 9 but I'm either having no luck or doing it wrong. I've tried a variety of disk controllers including an LSI MegaRaid, 3Ware 9550SX, and I'm now working with a Supermicro SAT2-MV8 (Marvell chipset - sata_mv module). I was

F9 : file explorer issue

2008-07-17 Thread Luc MAIGNAN
Hi, to list all files on my hard disk, I use the combination of Shift + DblClick, to prevent a new window to be opened each time I go down a folder. This worked even in F9, but it doesn't work any more (perhaps a system update ?) Can anyone tell me how to reproduce this feature ? BR --

anaconda support lvm over sw raid?

2008-07-17 Thread Neal Becker
Is it possible with current anaconda to setup lvm over software raid for install? I couldn't figure it out and just setup raid, without lvm. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: anaconda support lvm over sw raid?

2008-07-17 Thread Laszlo BERES
Neal Becker wrote: Is it possible with current anaconda to setup lvm over software raid for install? I couldn't figure it out and just setup raid, without lvm. Of course it is, just create the RAID devices as physical volumes. -- Laszlo BERES RHCE, RHCX senior IT engineer, trainer --

Re: yum update/install from a specific repo

2008-07-17 Thread PK
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PK wrote: hmm I don't want to change the repo files, prefer to leave them at its default state and jus have yum do that for me. At least I don't have to do that with up2date so I'm looking for a similar behaviour. Then

Re: major problem after enabling desktop effects (F9)...

2008-07-17 Thread Mike Burger
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 22:35:47 Mike Burger wrote: I do not know if I have the package, xorg-x11-drv-i810-2.3.2-2.fc9.i386, installed, and I do not know how to check? I would go to system settings but as I said all I have is a mouse pointer and a black screen after the splash screen

Re: yum update/install from a specific repo

2008-07-17 Thread Ed Greshko
PK wrote: hmm close enough. But still not what I was hoping for. the above approach sure works but I would have to know all the repo names. It might be easy for jus a couple of repos, But what if I have 10 other custom repos . I do not want to specify each of them with disablerepo jus to get

Re: yum update/install from a specific repo

2008-07-17 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
PK wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PK wrote: hmm I don't want to change the repo files, prefer to leave them at its default state and jus have yum do that for me. At least I don't have

Re: GNOME panels misbehaving

2008-07-17 Thread Andre Costa
Hi Rick, On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 20:59, Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andre Costa wrote: Hi, I just installed F9[*] and I am experiencing some weird behavior: I like to swap GNOME panels, leaving the one with the window list applet at the top, and the one with the menu at the

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread John Cornelius
This discussion is becoming both increasingly religious and somewhat oblique in its depictions of the elements under discussion. It may be instructive to review the classic definitions of some of these elements in order to clarify in the minds of zealots from the several sides of the

Re: Current Respin for F9, or how to build updated F9 live dvd on an F7 system?

2008-07-17 Thread Todd Denniston
Paul Johnson wrote, On 07/17/2008 10:38 AM: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:23 PM, g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Fedora Unity community (http://fedorasolved.org) web site, where it appears there has not been a respin of F9 (only a spin of Everything check these; Links to FU

Re: GNOME panels misbehaving

2008-07-17 Thread Andre Costa
Hi Tim, On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 00:41, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 20:34 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: I just installed F9[*] and I am experiencing some weird behavior: I like to swap GNOME panels, leaving the one with the window list applet at the top, and the one with the

Re: SATA hotswap / hotplug

2008-07-17 Thread Todd Denniston
Christopher Mocock wrote, On 07/17/2008 08:37 AM: Hi list, I'm trying to get SATA hot-swapping to work in Fedora 9 but I'm either having no luck or doing it wrong. I've tried a variety of disk controllers including an LSI MegaRaid, lsi does not show up on

Re: SATA hotswap / hotplug

2008-07-17 Thread Christopher Mocock
Todd Denniston wrote: lsi does not show up on http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html so you have to figure out what driver supports the card and ask about that driver. It's the megaraid_sas driver but it's not shown on the linux-ata.org site, so that doesn't bode too well! 3Ware 9550SX,

Re: SATA hotswap / hotplug

2008-07-17 Thread Seann Clark
Christopher Mocock wrote: Todd Denniston wrote: lsi does not show up on http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html so you have to figure out what driver supports the card and ask about that driver. It's the megaraid_sas driver but it's not shown on the linux-ata.org site, so that doesn't bode

[URGENT] yum install NetworkManager ... no more mirrors to try?

2008-07-17 Thread Jorge Boscan Etura
Hi All, I would like to know why is possible to install whatever but Networkmanager on F8 commands output below Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# yum -y install NetworkManager-gnome Loading skip-broken plugin Loading fastestmirror plugin Loading presto plugin Loading changelog plugin

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Rick Stevens
Alexandre Oliva wrote: [snip] wasn't BSD UNIX for big iron around before FSF got it's start? Didn't BSD have a fairly complete system *before* GNU tools started being widespread? Yup. But IIRC back then BSD was still largely encumbered by ATT UNIX code. Otherwise GNU might have never been

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
John Burton wrote: What is the distinction that makes people claim GNU/BSD? The only time that I know of people referring to a GNU/BSD is in the case of GNU/kFreeBSD, where the GNU operating system is paired with the FreeBSD kernel. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To

Re: [URGENT] yum install NetworkManager ... no more mirrors to try?

2008-07-17 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 18:11 +0200, Jorge Boscan Etura wrote: Hi All, I would like to know why is possible to install whatever but Networkmanager on F8 commands output below rpm -e NetworkManager.i386 then you'll be able to update Craig -- fedora-list mailing list

F9: tune2fs -u random device

2008-07-17 Thread Dan Thurman
Hmm... does this only work with Linux ext2/3? What about other file systems such as NTFS? What is the equivalent for setting NTFS file systems? Thanks! Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
John Burton wrote: Okay, here are a couple of questions I haven't seen answered. There are several license schemes put forth for Open Source software. GPL and BSD are two that come to mind immediately. The purpose of open source is to counter the traditional closed source model of software.

Re: [URGENT] yum install NetworkManager ... no more mirrors to try?

2008-07-17 Thread Rick Stevens
Jorge Boscan Etura wrote: Hi All, I would like to know why is possible to install whatever but Networkmanager on F8 commands output below Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# yum -y install NetworkManager-gnome Loading skip-broken plugin Loading fastestmirror plugin Loading presto

Re: [URGENT] yum install NetworkManager ... no more mirrors to try?

2008-07-17 Thread Jorge Boscan Etura
Hi Rick, Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] yum.repos.d]# rpm -qa | grep NetworkManager [EMAIL PROTECTED] yum.repos.d]# zipo, nothing, nada, rien.:[ On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jorge Boscan Etura wrote: Hi All, I would like to know why is possible to

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
John Cornelius wrote: This discussion is becoming both increasingly religious and somewhat oblique in its depictions of the elements under discussion. It may be instructive to review the classic definitions of some of these elements in order to clarify in the minds of zealots from the several

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
DJ Delorie wrote: It's a matter of semantics. The FSF is defining operating system as the stuff the FSF did, plus Linux I think they're defining operating system as an implementation of the Portable Operating System Interface (POSIX), which is a standardized definition of an operating

Re: F9: tune2fs -u random device

2008-07-17 Thread Dan Thurman
Mark Haney wrote: Dan Thurman wrote: Mark Haney wrote: Dan Thurman wrote: Hmm... does this only work with Linux ext2/3? What about other file systems such as NTFS? What is the equivalent for setting NTFS file systems? Thanks! Dan Far as I know this is only for ext2/3

Re: setroub;eshoot problem

2008-07-17 Thread max
Steve wrote: Max, To answer your question from yesterday, I had been getting the same errors even before I installed the policies yesterday which is strange because the messages indicate that a policy was loaded. Is there a built-in default policy? Yes there is a default policy that

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Les Mikesell
Rick Stevens wrote: Yup. But IIRC back then BSD was still largely encumbered by ATT UNIX code. Otherwise GNU might have never been started as such: BSD could have been the Free operating system of choice. Technically BSD was built at the University of California, Berkeley from UNIX System

Re: pptp tunnel mss clamping

2008-07-17 Thread John Horne
On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 21:41 +0100, William Murray wrote: Hi all, I am having big trouble with a pptp tunnel from a home network to work. I need to prevent large frames coming back through the tunnel. For years I used this in the firewall/nat iptables setup: iptables -A FORWARD -p

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Les Mikesell
Gordon Messmer wrote: Our entire history of science and engineering is Open. Getting way off topic here, but I think you are way too optimistic in your view of this. A huge part of science and engineering work has historically been done for military purposes and kept closed for as long as

Re: Acknowledge consent before login

2008-07-17 Thread Aldo Foot
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:20 PM, g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim wrote: Personally, I don't see that clicking on an additional yes button makes any difference. I'll click on it and lie, anyway. Or not abuse the system, anyway. not for sure, but he may be talking about a military base use.

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread subhodip biswas
All mainstream distro's are not listed . this could be allowance of restricted or copyrighted codecs . qoute which only include and only propose free software. They reject non-free applications, non-free programming platforms, non-free drivers, or non-free firmware blobs /qoute interesting .!! --

Re: SATA hotswap / hotplug

2008-07-17 Thread Markku Kolkka
Christopher Mocock kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika torstai, 17. heinäkuuta 2008): Well spotted, I saw this bit of the same page... http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#marvell ... and it says: Driver name: sata_mv Summary: Similar to ServerWorks frodo: per-device queues, full SATA

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread tom
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, Gordon Messmer wrote: John Burton wrote: snip I forgot to point out that Free Software is most definitely the traditional development method. When GNU was started, it was in response to a change from the traditional method to a black-box distribution method for

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread John Cornelius
Gordon Messmer wrote: John Cornelius wrote: This discussion is becoming both increasingly religious and somewhat oblique in its depictions of the elements under discussion. It may be instructive to review the classic definitions of some of these elements in order to clarify in the minds of

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread John Cornelius
Gordon Messmer wrote: John Burton wrote: Okay, here are a couple of questions I haven't seen answered. There are several license schemes put forth for Open Source software. GPL and BSD are two that come to mind immediately. The purpose of open source is to counter the traditional closed

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread John Burton
Gordon Messmer wrote: John Cornelius wrote: This discussion is becoming both increasingly religious and somewhat oblique in its depictions of the elements under discussion. It may be instructive to review the classic definitions of some of these elements in order to clarify in the minds of

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread John Cornelius
Les Mikesell wrote: Gordon Messmer wrote: Our entire history of science and engineering is Open. Getting way off topic here, but I think you are way too optimistic in your view of this. A huge part of science and engineering work has historically been done for military purposes and kept

Re: Lava Octopus 550 kernel crash

2008-07-17 Thread Alan Cox
I would have to do a bit of hunting on the IRQ side to get that sorted, including on my hardware so I will see what I can get. Thanks for the suggestions so far~ Boot with the option nr_uarts=10 and see if that sorts it ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

RE: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Michael . Coll-Barth
From: Gordon Messmer Our entire history of science and engineering is Open. If by *open*, you mean openly and freely shared, nope. Historically, that has *never* been true. If you mean freely ( as in liberally ) used for one's own benefit, then yeah, it was open. :O Understanding

Re: sendmail not sending

2008-07-17 Thread John Cornelius
Robert Holtzman wrote: Sendmail/alpine not sending mail on newly installed FC9. Incoming messages arrive O.K. The correct SMTP server is in the ~/.pinerc file. The maillog entries are *way* too cryptic for me to decipher. Any pointers short of trying to wade thru the *choke* sendmail

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Alan Cox
You could, however, get a license for BSD for a LOT less ($5k, I think), and that's what a LOT of people did (including Sun, DEC, IBM, Data General, Silicon Graphics and others too many to name). BSD required an ATT license for V7. Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To

nspluginwrapper vs. flash-plugin and AdobeReader_enu

2008-07-17 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
Both AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2-1.i486 and Adobe's flash-plugin-9.0.124.0-release.i386 are installed on my system, which runs firefox-3.0-1.fc9.x86_64. I am attempting to get nspluginwrapper-1.1.0-2.fc9.x86_64 to allow firefox to access these plugins, configuring them as follows: #

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Les Mikesell
Rick Stevens wrote: The history is really much more complex than this. Wikipedia has a nice graphic of how the open/commercial parts developed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix. But basically since the government-regulated monopoly (ATT) that did the initial work could not sell it

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 17, 2008, John Cornelius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Operating System: [kernel and kernel inspection and filesystem utilities, no more] Per your definition, UNIX wouldn't have ever been regarded as just an operating system. Which is wrong, the definition or the understanding as to what

Re: nspluginwrapper vs. flash-plugin and AdobeReader_enu

2008-07-17 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Both AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2-1.i486 and Adobe's flash-plugin-9.0.124.0-release.i386 are installed on my system, which runs firefox-3.0-1.fc9.x86_64. I am attempting to get nspluginwrapper-1.1.0-2.fc9.x86_64 to allow firefox to access these plugins,

Re: Current Respin for F9, or how to build updated F9 live dvd on an F7 system?

2008-07-17 Thread TNWestTex
Paul Johnson-11 wrote: I have access to F7 systems where I can download the F9 install dvd. While doing that, I was wondering if it is possible to get a version of the dvd that includes the updated RPMS. That search leads to the Fedora Unity community (http://fedorasolved.org) web

Re: sendmail not sending

2008-07-17 Thread Aldo Foot
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:25 PM, John Cornelius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: Sendmail/alpine not sending mail on newly installed FC9. Incoming messages arrive O.K. The correct SMTP server is in the ~/.pinerc file. The maillog entries are *way* too cryptic for me to

Re: sendmail not sending

2008-07-17 Thread Les Mikesell
Aldo Foot wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:25 PM, John Cornelius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: Sendmail/alpine not sending mail on newly installed FC9. Incoming messages arrive O.K. The correct SMTP server is in the ~/.pinerc file. The maillog entries are *way* too cryptic

Re: sendmail not sending

2008-07-17 Thread Rick Stevens
Aldo Foot wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 12:25 PM, John Cornelius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: Sendmail/alpine not sending mail on newly installed FC9. Incoming messages arrive O.K. The correct SMTP server is in the ~/.pinerc file. The maillog entries are *way* too cryptic

Re: setroub;eshoot problem

2008-07-17 Thread Steve
max [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do I go from here? 0 - Well one option, that I don't generally encourage unless your in hurry, is to do a fresh install of F9. You won't learn anything and you've expressed interest in SELinux so I would encourage you to take advantage of the

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Thu, 7/17/08, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions? To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 12:33 PM Rick Stevens wrote: The history is really

Re: fglrx, FC8 and BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 11s

2008-07-17 Thread Julius Smith
I just got a Radeon 4850 graphics card for my F8 system, and I ran into this infinite-boot-loop problem. (I'm running kernel 2.6.25.10-47.fc8.) Oddly, I can work around the problem by booting first in single-user mode, then exiting to run-level 5. It also worked when I first installed the

F9: Web Based system monitoring

2008-07-17 Thread Seann Clark
All, I know this isn't exactly the place to look for anything like this, but I am wondering from the Fedora users base, if there is any good/recommended tools to display real-time or near real time system information VIA web (AJAX or JAVA based) for a server? I would like to set up

Re: F9: Web Based system monitoring

2008-07-17 Thread Anthony Messina
On Thursday 17 July 2008 04:27:55 pm Seann Clark wrote: All, I know this isn't exactly the place to look for anything like this, but I am wondering from the Fedora users base, if there is any good/recommended tools to display real-time or near real time system information VIA web (AJAX

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-17 Thread Björn Persson
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 23:33 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I can't help but point out that your definition of operating system does not include GNU, since GNU does not have a kernel. Ever heard of the Hurd? Ever since it was

Re: F9: Web Based system monitoring

2008-07-17 Thread Steve Searle
Around 10:27pm on Thursday, July 17, 2008 (UK time), Seann Clark scrawled: I know this isn't exactly the place to look for anything like this, but I am wondering from the Fedora users base, if there is any good/recommended tools to display real-time or near real time system information

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-17 Thread John Burton
Gordon Messmer wrote: DJ Delorie wrote: It's a matter of semantics. The FSF is defining operating system as the stuff the FSF did, plus Linux I think they're defining operating system as an implementation of the Portable Operating System Interface (POSIX), which is a standardized

Re: F9: Web Based system monitoring

2008-07-17 Thread macgyver
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 16:38 -0500, Anthony Messina wrote: On Thursday 17 July 2008 04:27:55 pm Seann Clark wrote: All, I know this isn't exactly the place to look for anything like this, but I am wondering from the Fedora users base, if there is any good/recommended tools to

Re: F9: Web Based system monitoring

2008-07-17 Thread Seann Clark
Anthony Messina wrote: On Thursday 17 July 2008 04:27:55 pm Seann Clark wrote: All, I know this isn't exactly the place to look for anything like this, but I am wondering from the Fedora users base, if there is any good/recommended tools to display real-time or near real time system

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Rick Stevens
Antonio Olivares wrote: --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions? To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 12:33 PM Rick Stevens wrote: The

Re: F9: Web Based system monitoring

2008-07-17 Thread Rick Stevens
Steve Searle wrote: Around 10:27pm on Thursday, July 17, 2008 (UK time), Seann Clark scrawled: I know this isn't exactly the place to look for anything like this, but I am wondering from the Fedora users base, if there is any good/recommended tools to display real-time or near real time

Re: sendmail not sending

2008-07-17 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 16:14 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: Sendmail/alpine not sending mail on newly installed FC9. Incoming messages arrive O.K. The correct SMTP server is in the ~/.pinerc file. The maillog entries are *way* too cryptic for me to

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Les Mikesell
Antonio Olivares wrote: I have been keeping up with this thread and am actually surprised that no one has mentioned SCO, and if they did, I missed it:) SCO wasn't particularly interesting in terms of development work unless you go all the way back to xenix on some really horrible hardware

Re: Selinux and awstats [Solved]

2008-07-17 Thread Claude Jones
On Thursday 10 July 2008 12:08:28 Claude Jones wrote: On Thursday 10 July 2008 11:31:48 Daniel J Walsh wrote: Sorry about the path problems. no problem If matchpathcon returns no errors, you should be fine now. # matchpathcon /var/lib/awstats /var/lib/awstats

Re: F9: Web Based system monitoring

2008-07-17 Thread Les Mikesell
Seann Clark wrote: All, I know this isn't exactly the place to look for anything like this, but I am wondering from the Fedora users base, if there is any good/recommended tools to display real-time or near real time system information VIA web (AJAX or JAVA based) for a server? I would

Re: sendmail not sending

2008-07-17 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008, John Cornelius wrote: Robert Holtzman wrote: Sendmail/alpine not sending mail on newly installed FC9. Incoming messages arrive O.K. The correct SMTP server is in the ~/.pinerc file. The maillog entries are *way* too cryptic for me to decipher. Any pointers short of

OT: Apology for Daniel R. Koehler

2008-07-17 Thread Joe Klemmer
It seems that Mr. Koehler has blocked my email so forgive me for taking up a small space on this list to send my apology. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: fedora list Daniel R. Koehler wrote Today about fedora list: It

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Les Mikesell
Gordon Messmer wrote: I have never seen any reason to believe that Ken and Dennis have ever been interested in Free Software. In most companies, the employees who create things do not own them and a different set of people would determine the licensing. So that's kind of irrelevant. I

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-17 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 23:38 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 23:33 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I can't help but point out that your definition of operating system does not include GNU, since GNU does not have

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread Timothy Murphy
Gordon Messmer wrote: GNU is not Linux and Linux is not GNU, it's just an evolution of a movement started by Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie nearly 40 years ago. I think you're giving Ken and Dennis too much credit. As far as I understand it, Unix was only distributed free of charge because

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-17 Thread John Cornelius
John Burton wrote: You can go back to the Text Book definition from Andrew Tennebaum (sp?) who wrote the text book on Operating Systems used by most CS courses. That definition is pretty close to what John originally described. This parallels my original question of what causes people to

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