Intro

2008-07-20 Thread Ashok Gautham
My name is Ashok Gautham. I prefer the nick ScriptDevil I am a UG student in India. I can work with Gimp. I am learning blender at the moment. But it may take quite some time. I have been using gnu/linux for around 4 years now. My primary distros are Archlinux and Fedora. I designed an artwork

[Bug 453016] Review Request: un-core-fonts - Korean TrueType fonts

2008-07-20 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: Review Request: un-core-fonts - Korean TrueType fonts https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=453016 --- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Fontconfig] Is code point substitution inside the same font possible with fontconfing?

2008-07-20 Thread Vasile Gaburici
Speaking of the type-1 fonts, I see there is a project to update them to newer formats:[http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/freefont/], which also has a wikipedia page at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_UCS_Outline_Fonts]. But it looks like the project ran out of steam. Am I guessing

Adobe FDK under wine? Or similar FOSS tool?

2008-07-20 Thread Vasile Gaburici
Editing OpenType feature tables with fontforge is a big PITA. Adding a locl table to Linux Libertine, see [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks/Ro_fonts#Linux_Libertine], took me three hours (testing included). And that just for the regular font. Parts of the table are (or rather should be)

Re: Adobe FDK under wine? Or similar FOSS tool?

2008-07-20 Thread Vasile Gaburici
P.S.: here is a sample feature file for Adobe Minion Pro (2004) made public by Adobe: http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?233@@.3bb58628!enclosure=.3bb58629 On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Editing OpenType feature tables with fontforge is a big PITA. Adding

The goose OpenType eggs holds...

2008-07-20 Thread Vasile Gaburici
I've found CFF OpenType versions of the ghostscript URW fonts. AFAICT, they are well done: have kerning pairs (using the correct 'kern' feature for CFF files), has ligatures etc. They also fix the missing mappings for Romanian (no locl table yet...). The only troublesome point may that the author

Fwd: [Fontforge-devel] Cannot import GSUB .fea file

2008-07-20 Thread Vasile Gaburici
The 2nd patch attached here may of interest to anyone that is working on adding locl tags. -- Forwarded message -- From: George Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fontforge-devel] Cannot import GSUB .fea file To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc:

Re: doing FAS2 with sqlalchemy-migrate

2008-07-20 Thread Luke Macken
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 05:45:44PM +0200, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Luke Macken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reviewed and approved python-migrate yesterday. It's currently waiting to be built. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=452388 How long

Re: doing FAS2 with sqlalchemy-migrate

2008-07-20 Thread Yaakov Nemoy
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Luke Macken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 05:45:44PM +0200, Yaakov Nemoy wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Luke Macken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reviewed and approved python-migrate yesterday. It's currently waiting to be built.

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Thomas Cameron
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 02:00 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 19, 2008, Thomas Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre, I've watched you tilting at this windmill for months. It's just silly. Someone else called the demand for the FSF folks to call it GNU/Linux childish. I

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Colin Paul Adams
Patrick == Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But people who fight violently against GNU/Linux most often have some other agenda, and find all sorts of excuses to promote only Linux, in detriment of GNU and of the Free Software movement. Patrick Not averyone

Re: bind update keeps messing up write-rights

2008-07-20 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 10:11 -0700, Ed Warner wrote: Othe than my zone files, what else goes into /var/named/chroot/var/named/dynamic ? Nothing. Assuming we're already in the chroot, or we're not chrooting: /var/named/ zone files that are set once, or manually altered. /var/named/dynamic/

hal-0.5.10-3.fc8 won't run

2008-07-20 Thread Nataraj
After the latest updates to hal-0.5.10-3.fc8 and hal-info-20080607-2.fc8 hald won't start. I get errors shown below when I try to start it. This is on a Fujitsu lifebook A6110 T5550 laptop. Where can I download older updates between the release and the current update? The update repository

Re: Fedora 9 and VMWare Server

2008-07-20 Thread Michael Eager
Christopher A. Williams wrote: On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 22:39 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Michael Eager wrote: Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Mike Burger wrote: Has anyone been able to get VMWare Server running on F9? I've installed VMWare Server from the rpm, run the config script and

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Ric Moore
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 14:01 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Ric Moore wrote: Has HURD actually become a working kernel?? Ric Apparently yes: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install Björn Persson I just took a peek at it. Crufty comes to mind. And, it took over ten years to do what

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Ric Moore
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 05:34 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 02:42 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: Besides, T.A.G. was about free software since 1980. (Thieves and Assassins Guild) If it wasn't free, it was made free. grins Ric Arghhh - they've since moved to Sweden Good

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Gordon Messmer
Les Mikesell wrote: The statement is not wrong - the reason a few that are listed as compatible is that the permit themselves to be replaced by the GPL. You can not legally replace the copyright on a work that was created by someone else, unless the license of that work specifically allows

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 19, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please explain how a work containing any GPL'd material can contain any that is not covered by the GPL, given the 'work as a whole' provision in the license. While there are indeed licenses that permit their own terms to be replaced by

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 20, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: inode0 wrote: Would the world be a better place with no GPL and all software created by those who now create code under the GPL putting it into the public domain instead? Microsoft would almost certainly have been displaced years ago

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 19, 2008, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They have said that they were going to block non GPL modules Who did? This is not something that can be done in a Free Software copyright license any more than the GPL already does. The only way a non-GPL module can exist today is by

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 20, 2008, Thomas Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 11:03 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: # fsck US Patent law fsck 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008) That's got to be the dumbest thing I've heard you say yet. It is the height of head in the sand syndrome. To just blithely

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 19, 2008, Steve Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Cox wrote: On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They(FreeBSD) should be protected, the users can get the ports from source, they do not ship binaries(except the installation *.tbz

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 19, 2008, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your meaning of object code is binary code? The GPL defines it anything that's not source code, i.e., that's not the preferred form for making modifications ot the software. and the modifications is the source code? Modifications are

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 19, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone wants to go looking for binary distributions, there are probably some of the vmware appliances at http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/ that haven't properly followed the strict GPL requirements to provide all the

Re: GPL version 4

2008-07-20 Thread Aleksej Saushev
Richard M Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Freedom means having control of your own life. Using a proprietary program means giving the developer power over you. More choice in surrendering your freedom is not more freedom, and it does not make a better world. Breathing the air means

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 19, 2008, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a Live Hurd CD. He might be inclined to charge for shipping and handling :) I agree any reasonable person would. But he seemed to object to the idea of having to pay anything for Free Software.

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 20, 2008, Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, we are hijacking a thread here, but here is a snippet: Yeah, you're a bad, bad person! :-) Get out of this thread! This is only for ridiculous, childish political debates on ethics, morals and social values. Technical content is

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 19, 2008, Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to explain my remark above, I was referring to the document http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install which only mentions a Live Hurd CD in the context that it is available for purchase. And what's wrong with that? Are you by

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 19, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: The core of the distribution is the kernel, called Linux. What about GNU *core*utils? :-P :-D And then, again, what if you remove Linux, install kFreeBSD or OpenSolaris in its stead, rebuild glibc to export

Semi-)T: how do printer drivers get into distros?

2008-07-20 Thread Anne Wilson
The reason I ask is that, about 18 months ago, I discovered that Brother's website provided linux drivers for many models, including the mfp that I wanted to install. Yesterday I had reason to go back to that site, and noticed that before every download you are required to accept the gpl and

Re: Fedora 9 and VMWare Server

2008-07-20 Thread David Timms
Michael Eager wrote: Yes, I'm running 2.0. It seems I'm not alone. Jeez, I hate the bleeding edge. :-) As an aside, I've been succesfully running vmware-server-1.0.6 on F9 since release. I do this by installing and default booting the latest 2.6.24 kernel from F8. I haven't needed to

KVM Hypervisor

2008-07-20 Thread Alex Katebi
Hi All, I can not find laptop or desktop hardware that supports KVM Virtualization (Intel-VT or AMD-V). I like Dell laptops but there is no information regarding hardware assisted virtualization (Hypervisor). Can I get some recommendation? Thanks, -Alex -- fedora-list mailing list

Re: F9: List of packages that has missing geko-libs v1.9

2008-07-20 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:39:50 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Craig White wrote: -- Finished Dependency Resolution gxine-0.5.11-17.fc9.i386 from installed has depsolving problems -- Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 is needed by package gxine-0.5.11-17.fc9.i386 (installed) Error:

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 01:06:58 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 13:22 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 20:16:33 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw it running on an LSI-11 (a minimal PDP-11 with

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 16:12:54 -0500, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruno Wolff III wrote: When the ATT monopoly was sensibly split up, it was then able to I think just plain split up is a better description. I think history has shown that the split wasn't done sensibly and

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Timothy Murphy
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Bizarrely, it seems one has to pay for a Live Hurd CD. He might be inclined to charge for shipping and handling :) I agree any reasonable person would. But he seemed to object to the idea of having to pay anything for Free Software. I thought I'd try his implied

Re: F9: Konqueror and gnash not working

2008-07-20 Thread Giovanni Cucca
On Sunday 20 July 2008 02:45:11 Kevin Kofler wrote: What could possibly work, however, would be using the Gnash Mozilla plugin, after all the proprietary Flash plugin is also a Mozilla plugin. (But nspluginwrapper would not be needed, as Gnash is available for x86_64 too.) However, last I

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Timothy Murphy
Alexandre Oliva wrote: That people made this silly and childish mistake of renaming the GNU operating system to Linux is unfair *and* it works against the very evangelization you claim to support. There is no such thing as the GNU operating system, unless you mean GNU/Hurd, which no-one would

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Timothy Murphy
Bruno Wolff III wrote: I think just plain split up is a better description. I think history has shown that the split wasn't done sensibly and unfortunately we aren't going to get a do over any time soon. You haven't noticed the dismembered Bell's crawling back together to resurrect the

What is the point of the NM keyring?

2008-07-20 Thread Timothy Murphy
Some kind soul pointed out that one could get rid of the demand by NM for a keyring password by deleting .gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring and then giving an empty password when requested. But that made me wonder what possible point the keyring password could have? Is it intended as some kind of

Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer

2008-07-20 Thread g
Craig White wrote: I returned my inkjet printer to service after some time and hadn't used this printer with Linux since F7 if not before F7. In 'Administration = Printing', I can print test page no problem (obviously as root). But as a user, I get an error that seems to be authentication but I

Re: KVM Hypervisor

2008-07-20 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 08:15 -0400, Alex Katebi wrote: Hi All, I can not find laptop or desktop hardware that supports KVM Virtualization (Intel-VT or AMD-V). I like Dell laptops but there is no information regarding hardware assisted virtualization (Hypervisor). Can I get some

Re: KVM Hypervisor

2008-07-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:15:29 -0400 Alex Katebi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like Dell laptops but there is no information regarding hardware assisted virtualization (Hypervisor). First, it is important to note that I may be completely wrong :-), but I don't think anyone makes chips any longer

Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer

2008-07-20 Thread g
g wrote: snip and appropriate section of cupsd.conf... Location /printers/officejet Order Deny,Allow Deny From All Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 192.168.2.0 AuthType None /Location which clearly tells me that no authentication should be necessary How do I fix this? i am not using f9, nor

OOo-2.4.1 64 bit for Fedora8 build fails

2008-07-20 Thread John Thompson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Using F8-x86_64 here, not ready to move to F9 yet but I'd like to update OOo to v2.4.1. Using the Fedora9 src.rpm the build went fine until it came to the spell checker component:

Re: KVM Hypervisor

2008-07-20 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 09:37 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 08:15:29 -0400 Alex Katebi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like Dell laptops but there is no information regarding hardware assisted virtualization (Hypervisor). First, it is important to note that I may be completely

Re: What is the point of the NM keyring?

2008-07-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 15:26 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: Some kind soul pointed out that one could get rid of the demand by NM for a keyring password by deleting .gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring and then giving an empty password when requested. But that made me wonder what possible point

Re: Semi-)T: how do printer drivers get into distros?

2008-07-20 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 20 July 2008, Anne Wilson wrote: The reason I ask is that, about 18 months ago, I discovered that Brother's website provided linux drivers for many models, including the mfp that I wanted to install. Yesterday I had reason to go back to that site, and noticed that before every download

Re: F9: List of packages that has missing geko-libs v1.9

2008-07-20 Thread Paolo Galtieri
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:37 AM, Michael Schwendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:39:50 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Craig White wrote: -- Finished Dependency Resolution gxine-0.5.11-17.fc9.i386 from installed has depsolving problems -- Missing Dependency:

Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance

2008-07-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 16:04 +0930, Tim wrote: I always found the KDE menus to be quite a mess, so that was another nail in the coffin for me using KDE. A total mess actually. However KDE4 is much better, and among other goodies has the huge advantage of letting you search in the menu system so

Re: Firefox update problem

2008-07-20 Thread Jeffrey Ross
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 21:09:02 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 07:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Steven Stern wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 $ sudo yum update firefox Error: Missing

Re: What is the point of the NM keyring?

2008-07-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 11:16 -0300, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote: The purpose of wallets and keyrings is to make your life easier by having to remember just one password, the one that opens your wallet. All the others can be securely stored in the wallet. However, if you loose the wallet's

Re: Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Audio Support

2008-07-20 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 22:21 +0100, Stewart Williams wrote: Is this card supported by ALSA yet in F9? /sbin/lspci -v AFAIK, no - X-FI should be supported by the next alsa release. If you rather buy Creative, get an emu10k1 (SB Live/Audigy/Audigy 2) or a ca0106 (Audigy value) based card.

Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance

2008-07-20 Thread Tim
Tim: I always found the KDE menus to be quite a mess, so that was another nail in the coffin for me using KDE. Patrick O'Callaghan: A total mess actually. However KDE4 is much better, and among other goodies has the huge advantage of letting you search in the menu system so you don't have to

Re: F9: List of packages that has missing geko-libs v1.9

2008-07-20 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 07:35:27 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: I've run been running Fedora since FC5 and I have never seen an update problem like this before. Congratulations! ;o) This incident is just one of many. It has happened before several times, with Firefox and with other packages. Firefox

Re: What is the point of the NM keyring?

2008-07-20 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 10:39 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: (Sending this off-list). Ohh no you didn't. (panto voice) ;-) 'tis a pet hate of mine too, this losing the plot and being loose with your words, so they lose their meaning, and understanding is lost. -- Don't

Re: Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Audio Support

2008-07-20 Thread Luc MAIGNAN
I have the same problem. I try to install the beta driver given by Creative, but I have a issue installation I don't understand for the moment. On an other way, why this card can't be supported by Alsa in the next releases ? Gilboa Davara a écrit : On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 22:21 +0100,

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Björn Persson
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: trying (fruitlessly it seems) to get some consistency in the use of terminology, That's what I'm trying to achieve too. Or if it isn't possible to get people to agree on terminology, then I'd like to at least understand what people mean when they use a word. To that

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Björn Persson
Colin Paul Adams wrote: I myself almost always say Linux. It is just quicker. And would you like to tell us what *you* mean when *you* say Linux? What is part of Linux in your mind, and what is not part of Linux? Björn Persson -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Colin Paul Adams
Björn == Björn Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Björn Colin Paul Adams wrote: I myself almost always say Linux. It is just quicker. Björn And would you like to tell us what *you* mean when *you* Björn say Linux? What is part of Linux in your mind, and what Björn is not

Re: Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Audio Support

2008-07-20 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 17:31 +0200, Luc MAIGNAN wrote: I try to install the beta driver given by Creative, but I have a issue installation I don't understand for the moment. Never tested it myself - but AFAIK the binary driver is a complete POS. On an other way, why this card can't be

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Antonio Olivares
They have said that they were going to block non GPL modules Who did? http://www.linuxactionshow.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=247 http://kerneltrap.org/node/1735 This is not something that can be done in a Free Software copyright license any more than the GPL already does. The

Re: Fedora 9 and VMWare Server

2008-07-20 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
David Timms wrote: Michael Eager wrote: Yes, I'm running 2.0. It seems I'm not alone. Jeez, I hate the bleeding edge. :-) As an aside, I've been succesfully running vmware-server-1.0.6 on F9 since release. I do this by installing and default booting the latest 2.6.24 kernel from F8. I

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Les Mikesell
Björn Persson wrote: Colin Paul Adams wrote: I myself almost always say Linux. It is just quicker. And would you like to tell us what *you* mean when *you* say Linux? What is part of Linux in your mind, and what is not part of Linux? Linux has always been just a kernel. But what you

Re: NetworkManager: How to set caching nameserver?

2008-07-20 Thread sean darcy
Neal Becker wrote: sean darcy wrote: NM sets my nameserver based on the isp, which is _very_ slow. I've set up a local caching nameserver which works well. But how do I tell NM to use 127.0.0.1?? I've set up dhclient.conf with a prepend statement. If I just run dhclient that works, i.e.

Re: What is the point of the NM keyring?

2008-07-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 00:58 +0930, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 10:39 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: (Sending this off-list). Ohh no you didn't. (panto voice) ;-) Sorry about that. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: Firefox update problem

2008-07-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 11:07 -0400, Jeffrey Ross wrote: Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 21:09:02 -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 07:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Steven Stern wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED

Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance

2008-07-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 00:51 +0930, Tim wrote: Tim: I always found the KDE menus to be quite a mess, so that was another nail in the coffin for me using KDE. Patrick O'Callaghan: A total mess actually. However KDE4 is much better, and among other goodies has the huge advantage of

Re: bind update keeps messing up write-rights

2008-07-20 Thread Ed Warner
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:50:26 +0200 From: Gijs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bind update keeps messing up write-rights To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ed Warner wrote: Message: 7

Re: F9: List of packages that has missing geko-libs v1.9

2008-07-20 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 14:37 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:39:50 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Craig White wrote: -- Finished Dependency Resolution gxine-0.5.11-17.fc9.i386 from installed has depsolving problems -- Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9 is

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Les Mikesell wrote: I don't see how anyone can forget that he plainly wrote that demanding that modules be GPL'd is both legally and morally wrong. Or have any question about the meaning of this portion of the Linux license: Again, he said no such thing. In fact, he argued explicitly that

Re: How to control mount options on automounted devices ?

2008-07-20 Thread g
Gregory Hosler wrote: snip How do I set mount parameters for different types of file systems or for that matter devices with specific labels or ids? answering your questions is extensive, so i suggest; 1st - 'man fstab' after reading, note 'see also' near end, run 'man' on listed pages

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Anders Karlsson
* Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080720 19:11]: Les Mikesell wrote: [snip] Deliberate? _Everything_ that is not the GPL is incompatible with the GPL. This one is a clear lie. There are dozens and dozens of GPL compatible licenses. Any license which has no additional restrictions above

Where is Kdict?

2008-07-20 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All, Where is Kdict? I have tried # yum search kdict [...] Warning: No matches found for: kdict No Matches found # Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Anders Karlsson wrote: Just so that I understand this right. Any license which will permit being replaced by the GPL, when the software it covers is combined with software under the GPL - is compatible with the GPL? Anyone except the copyright holder cannot replace the terms of the license.

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Please explain how a work containing any GPL'd material can contain any that is not covered by the GPL, given the 'work as a whole' provision in the license. While there are indeed licenses that permit their own terms to be replaced by the GPL when used in this way,

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Anders Karlsson wrote: And any license that does not permit itself to be replaced or over-ruled by the GPL - is hence incompatible - even if it explicitly permits combination with the GPL for any derived work or combination work. Am I understanding this right? This part is incorrect. If has

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Björn Persson
Thomas Cameron wrote: I'm talking about Linux as a Linux distribution in very generic terms. Whether it's Fedora, Ubuntu, Slackware, whatever. [...] so you probably consider Debian, Gentoo and others different versions of Linux or something like that. Of course. OK, all distributions

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Les Mikesell wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: You seem to not understand the difference between freedom and power, and insist in demanding power when what you deserve and have is freedom. No, I understand that restrictions are not freedom. Maybe that is because you are looking at it as a

Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer

2008-07-20 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 13:50 +, g wrote: g wrote: snip and appropriate section of cupsd.conf... Location /printers/officejet Order Deny,Allow Deny From All Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 192.168.2.0 AuthType None /Location which clearly tells me that no authentication

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Björn Persson wrote: Fedora isn't Linux, it's a Linux distribution, but everyone calls all Linux distributions Linux, so Fedora should be called Linux even though it isn't Linux? Is that what you're saying? Unfortunately that doesn't help much with defining what Linux *is*. Or do you mean

Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer

2008-07-20 Thread g
Craig White wrote: snip AuthInfoRequired negotiate got into /etc/cups/printers.conf in the printer definition and removing the line completely solved it. I have no idea how it got there because you use a computer and it forgot 1st law? interesting anyway. do printers set up with this

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Björn Persson
Les Mikesell wrote: Linux has always been just a kernel. But what you usually describe is a complete distribution. And when you talk about a complete distribution, do you call it Linux or do you call it Fedora or CentOS or Slackware? I can't recall ever having any reason to have a name

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Björn Persson
Colin Paul Adams wrote: So I may mean different things at different times. Then I hope it's obvious from the context what you mean each time. Otherwise it'll be confusing. I talk about running Linux. This is a shorthand for running GNOME in X11 with a Linux kernel plus lots of other

Problems ejecting cd/dvd media on F9

2008-07-20 Thread Andre Costa
Hi, this is weird: when I try to eject a data cd the tray closes automatically as soon as it opens, which makes removing the media somewhat of a challenge. It happens either if manually eject the media (directly on the cd-rom drive) or if I right click the drive icon and choose eject. Anyone

policy question

2008-07-20 Thread Beartooth
Can anybody explain to a non-technoid how the developers go about deciding whether a new thing gets added to the current Fedora release, or held to become part of the next? I have no axe to grind here, not even a specific instance; it just happened to occur to me that I have

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Björn Persson
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Björn Persson wrote: Fedora isn't Linux, it's a Linux distribution, but everyone calls all Linux distributions Linux, so Fedora should be called Linux even though it isn't Linux? Is that what you're saying? Unfortunately that doesn't help much with defining what

Re: Problems ejecting cd/dvd media on F9

2008-07-20 Thread g
Andre Costa wrote: snip Anyone knows how to configure this behavior? if it happens when you press button on front of drive, it may not be a software problem. have you used a paper clip to eject tray lately? maybe you have cause a miss alignment of cam gear, and why button should be used to

Re: Fedora 9 and VMWare Server

2008-07-20 Thread Nataraj
On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 23:49 -0700, Michael Eager wrote: Christopher A. Williams wrote: On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 22:39 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Michael Eager wrote: Kevin J. Cummings wrote: Mike Burger wrote: Has anyone been able to get VMWare Server running on F9? I've installed

Re: Fedora 9 and VMWare Server

2008-07-20 Thread Claude Jones
On Sun July 20 2008, Alex Katebi wrote: I did it with open vmware tools. It is much better than the any any. could you explain? if I simply run vmserver 1.06 which I just installed, it returns the message telling me to run the installation file 'runme.pl' - if I run that, it returns errors. If

Re: policy question

2008-07-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Beartooth wrote: Can anybody explain to a non-technoid how the developers go about deciding whether a new thing gets added to the current Fedora release, or held to become part of the next? Can you explain what you mean by a new thing? Do you mean a new software package or new feature or

Re: Problems ejecting cd/dvd media on F9

2008-07-20 Thread g
Paul Smith wrote: snip It happens either if manually eject the media (directly on the cd-rom drive) or if I right click the drive icon and choose eject. That is a bug, Andre. See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451320 this is for a software bug. note word 'manually' in above

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 20, 2008, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They have said that they were going to block non GPL modules Who did? http://www.linuxactionshow.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=247 http://kerneltrap.org/node/1735 Aah. I somehow got the idea you were talking about GPLv3

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Alexandre Oliva wrote: If Linux developers had gone down that path, they'd have created inconvenience for people who make uses that are permitted by copyright law, such as those who load their own private modules, never distributed, and therefore never licensed, and a few other situations

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 20, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I add some bsd code into a gpl'd work, could I then distribute the resulting binary and only the previously gpl'd code? No, you have to provide the whole with the permissions and the conditions set forth in the GPL, which the modified

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 20, 2008, Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: That people made this silly and childish mistake of renaming the GNU operating system to Linux is unfair *and* it works against the very evangelization you claim to support. There is no such thing as the GNU

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 20, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't recall ever having any reason to have a name for a subset of a distribution that only included the GNU components and the kernel. Can someone who uses this term explain the circumstances where it is useful? /me mumbles something

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Les Mikesell
Björn Persson wrote: Linux has always been just a kernel. But what you usually describe is a complete distribution. And when you talk about a complete distribution, do you call it Linux or do you call it Fedora or CentOS or Slackware? Generally CentOS, since for the reasons I might have

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-20 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 20, 2008, Colin Paul Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I may mean different things at different times. I talk about running Linux. This is a shorthand for running GNOME in X11 with a Linux kernel plus lots of other software. Are you even sure it's Linux underneath? :-) Some of it

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-20 Thread Gordon Messmer
Les Mikesell wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: Or... Microsoft would have used that code and used it to control people in just the same way it does with every other piece of software it touches. The only software that they can use to control anyone is their OS, and they can only do that as

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