Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Some licenses do allow their own terms to be replaced by the GPL, True, but these are very rare. GNU LGPL and the Brazilian LPG-AP v2, so far unpublished, are the only examples that come to mind. Most licenses that are compatible with the GPL are compatible just

Re: I need help with Fedora

2008-07-21 Thread Nifty Fedora Mitch
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 02:20:34PM +0530, aakash sharma wrote: See, one of the problems with open source is . THERE'S NO SUPPORT: The not-so-good news is that there's no single source of information.. Aha but there is a single source of information. It is the source

Re: FC8: Using Sqlite3 in OpenOffice, with or without ODBC

2008-07-21 Thread Todd Denniston
M. Fioretti wrote, On 07/21/2008 03:06 PM: This is related to the problem with Sqlite3 and php I posted earlier today. I am working with Sqlite3 because I'd like to have single-file, server-less databases which may be used both from php and from OpenOffice. The Php part is now solved, but I'm

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
I really could not care less what it is called, just that the bleedin' thing works. If you don't care, then wouldn't object to calling it GNU/Linux, right? A kind person posted the following at Distrowatch.com, you can check it out for yourselves if you want to confirm it quote 30 •

vim setup question

2008-07-21 Thread kevin kempter
Hi All; I'm working on several client Linux servers (Fedora, RH, CentOS, etc) and I've setup my own profile like this: I have my own special bashrc that I source on each box which amoung other things has a alias for vi: alias vi=/usr/bin/vim -u ~/.myvimrc This works pretty nice since it

mp3 ripper

2008-07-21 Thread Joseph L. Casale
Anyone know of a ripper that has cddb support similar to grip but works with file names better like juicer? Thanks! jlc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: mp3 ripper

2008-07-21 Thread Dario Alcocer
Joseph L. Casale wrote: Anyone know of a ripper that has cddb support similar to grip but works with file names better like juicer? How specifically do you want filenames generated? For reference, here are the options available when configuring grip for ripping and encoding:

Re: KVM Hypervisor

2008-07-21 Thread Alex Katebi
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Christopher A. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 08:15 -0400, Alex Katebi wrote: Hi All, I can not find laptop or desktop hardware that supports KVM Virtualization (Intel-VT or AMD-V). I like Dell laptops but there is no

Re: KVM Hypervisor

2008-07-21 Thread Christopher A. Williams
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 17:00 -0400, Alex Katebi wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Christopher A. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 08:15 -0400, Alex Katebi wrote: Hi All, I can not find laptop or desktop hardware that

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually did not check all the pages, would you mind reposting them? The links are at the end of this entry in the blong: http://fsfla.org/blogs/lxo/2008-07-21-gnu+linux I am a happy Linux User and it is definitely impossible to

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Björn Persson
måndagen den 21 juli 2008 skrev Les Mikesell: Björn Persson wrote: You're still talking as if your opponents want to name entire distributions GNU/Linux. I'm not so sure that there really is anyone who wants to name entire distributions GNU/Linux. Are you sure that there are people who

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alan Cox
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:33:17 +0200 Björn Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: måndagen den 21 juli 2008 skrev Les Mikesell: Björn Persson wrote: You're still talking as if your opponents want to name entire distributions GNU/Linux. I'm not so sure that there really is anyone who wants to

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: but it's a one way trip and that copy of such code no longer has its original license terms. Can you back this up? All the evidence I've got suggests the exact opposite. I thought you had just agreed with this

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other 85% has nothing to do with GNU, and is usually the driving force behind people bothering to install the GNU portions at all. That is, I don't install a system so I can run cp or tar or the other minor infrastructure components,

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
I actually did not check all the pages, would you mind reposting them? The links are at the end of this entry in the blong: http://fsfla.org/blogs/lxo/2008-07-21-gnu+linux Those links I saw, I was not sure, that is why I asked for them again. Thank you for posting them :) I am a happy

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's change grep to gnu/grep! Or bash to GNU/bash. These are actually the names of the programs that are used in GNU/Linux distributions. The point I'm making is this. I have no trouble giving credit where credit is due. Good. Thank

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Björn Persson
Mark Haney wrote: But this name change business is silly. I mean why stop there? Let's change grep to gnu/grep! Or bash to GNU/bash. I could go on and on here. Heh! $ grep --version grep (GNU grep) 2.5.1 Copyright 1988, 1992-1999, 2000, 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free

Re: vim setup question

2008-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 14:45 -0600, kevin kempter wrote: Hi All; I'm working on several client Linux servers (Fedora, RH, CentOS, etc) and I've setup my own profile like this: I have my own special bashrc that I source on each box which amoung other things has a alias for vi: alias

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 20:53 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: måndagen den 21 juli 2008 skrev Patrick O'Callaghan: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 15:23 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Tim wrote: The majority will understand Linux as being an OS, the whole thing, one of the many OS distros that

Re: vim setup question

2008-07-21 Thread macgyver
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 17:46 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I want to do this so I have the settings I like while leaving the settings as is for others who login with this same userid. So you want the system to magically know it's you and not someone else? poc More's to the point

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 20:53 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Truth be told, normally I'm on the other side of this kind of argument. I prefer exactness wherever possible. I've simply learned to save my energies for things that matter, and that I might eventually

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 21, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: but it's a one way trip and that copy of such code no longer has its original license terms. Can you back this up? All the evidence I've got suggests the exact opposite. I thought you

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread max bianco
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're still talking as if your opponents want to name entire distributions GNU/Linux. I'm not so sure that there really is anyone who wants to name entire distributions GNU/Linux. Are you sure that there are people

Re: 32 bit Java app on 64 bit Linux

2008-07-21 Thread Steve Dowe
Kevin Martin wrote: Are you sure that it's using it's own java? Just because it installed it doesn't necessarily mean it's using it (one would think so but...). It would be interesting to see what Zend is actually using (you may be able to do this in the startup script with a set -x or

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Björn Persson
Antonio Olivares wrote: You're still talking as if your opponents want to name entire distributions GNU/Linux. I'm not so sure that there really is anyone who wants to name entire distributions GNU/Linux. Are you sure that there are people who want to do this? Do you have any

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux is a trademark, please use it properly in combination with other marks. Oh, right! Thanks for reminding me of yet another reason why the Linux(R) is shorter and more convenient. Linux(R) is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alan Cox
yes there are. Linux is not an operating system. That is a fact. It is common for people to refer to an OS as Linux but it is not factually correct. That is a matter of definition. It's as correct to them as it is wrong to you. Alan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alexandre Oliva So, if someone said I'm a Linux developer, you'd immediately know that the person: .. wrote some code that runs on the Linux OS. And you're not the least concerned that Eric Paul Allman, Theo de Raadt, and Richard M. Stallman

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 30 • Re post #23 (by Anonymous on 2008-07-21 20:19:06 GMT from Canada) Gnu is but one portion of all Nobody ever disputed that. It's like Linux. Except that Linux is a much smaller portion than GNU. An order of magnitude so. --

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alan Cox
BTW, please also remind Telsa and also whoever's in charge of linux(tm).org.uk that her home page and their front page don't abide by http://www.linuxmark.org/attribution.php Go read up on trademarks before making yourself look a complete and utter muppet. Using a mark for its appropriate

Re: Wireless gone on Compaq Presario

2008-07-21 Thread max bianco
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Mark Haney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Marques wrote: max escribió: No kernel update. Anyway, tried with the last 3 kernels and still had the same problem. Do you have that system as dual boot? If so, does Windows see it? If not, then it's likely

RE: mp3 ripper

2008-07-21 Thread Joseph L. Casale
How specifically do you want filenames generated? For reference, here are the options available when configuring grip for ripping and encoding: http://www.nostatic.org/grip/doc/ar01s04.html#gripswitches Dario, I tried the following: ~/Music/%A/%d/%t - %a.%x And it didn't produce very nice

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alan Cox
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:47:03 -0300 Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2008, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 30 • Re post #23 (by Anonymous on 2008-07-21 20:19:06 GMT from Canada) Gnu is but one portion of all Nobody ever disputed that. It's like Linux.

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Antonio Olivares [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not insulting anyone and if I did, I apologize, No need to apologize. Just please understand that it is insulting, and that fixing it is not an unreasonable request at all. Please start giving credit to both projects, rather than

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I still don't see how the GPL requirements are technically removed once you've accepted the license that applies them to any covered component of a work. The requirements aren't removed. They don't have to be. You have

Re: AMD64 and Scanners

2008-07-21 Thread g
Oliver Sampson wrote: Howdy, I've just upgraded my Linux system from the motherboard up, and there are just a couple of hic-coughs left to clear up before everthing gets to be hunky-dory. oliver, i went back threw my old scanner files and from what i found and relate to your system, i am

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: This is fundamentally contradictory. If you have to choose between these two, you're choosing between promoting either FS or OSS. It is a problem the GPL creates. That's a red herring.

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Timothy Murphy
Alexandre Oliva wrote: I've never, ever, misunderstood someone because they use the term Linux. So, if someone said I'm a Linux developer, you'd immediately know that the person: a) wrote some code present in linux-2.6.26.tar.bz2 ... Well, no-one has ever said that to me. I probably

Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance

2008-07-21 Thread Timothy Murphy
Rex Dieter wrote: And when you say Fedora does not seem... keep in mind that these are also generally DE specific, so Gnome, KDE, XFCE, (others) implement this in different ways. Sorry, I should have said KDE/Fedora. I sometimes forget that not everyone sees the world through KDE eyes. --

Re: Current Respin for F9, or how to build updated F9 live dvd on an F7 system?

2008-07-21 Thread g
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip Yes. See also http://noscript.net/ i did and it is now loaded I have it enabled by default, and selectively allow scripts on trusted pages. You can also allow scripts temporarily i.e. only for the current session. Well worth having IMHO. just went back to

Re: Where is Kdict?

2008-07-21 Thread g
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip Try info bash to read up on the bash Shell, i bees up on bash. i used it in cromix and later in unix. i just was not aware that yum started out with current directory. i was stuck in mandrake/driva when i could not get f4 to load and never needed to use other

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Timothy Murphy
Björn Persson wrote: Do you think the term (GNU/)Linux distribution means software distribution which, in its entirety, is a version of (GNU/)Linux? It could be taken that way, but I think it could also be intended as software distribution built around (GNU/)Linux. It is normally used to

Re: mp3 ripper

2008-07-21 Thread Dario Alcocer
Joseph L. Casale wrote: How specifically do you want filenames generated? For reference, here are the options available when configuring grip for ripping and encoding: http://www.nostatic.org/grip/doc/ar01s04.html#gripswitches I tried the following: ~/Music/%A/%d/%t - %a.%x And it

Re: I need help with Fedora

2008-07-21 Thread Simon Slater
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 16:35 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: All i need to do is a project on Linux. That's why I want to install Fedora. My project doesn't require latest features of FEDORA 9. So, can u tell me which version of Fedora will work somewhat smooth like XP on my system.

Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance

2008-07-21 Thread Tim
Tim: That's still alternating between mouse and keyboard. That's bad ergonomics. Menus should be a quick thing to do, that's *NOT. That's convoluted and delaying. Patrick O'Callaghan: You can still use the menu as a menu. All I'm saying is that this is a good alterantive when you can't

Re: What is the point of the NM keyring?

2008-07-21 Thread Ken Murray
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Kevin Kofler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's because of gnome-keyring's designer's stupid arrogance not to allow passwordless keyrings (unlike KWallet which empowers the user). Instead, we're stuck with some PAM hackery which allows reusing the login password,

RE: mp3 ripper

2008-07-21 Thread Joseph L. Casale
First, you'll probably want to use the following instead for ripping: ~/Music/%A/%d/%t - %a - %n.wav Ripping produces files in WAV format. Using .%x as the extension probably isn't what you want. Sorry, Yeah I didn't change the rip format because I let it delete the wav's. Also, check the

Re: Problems ejecting cd/dvd media on F9

2008-07-21 Thread g
Kevin J. Cummings wrote: snip I don't understand why. There are very *few* updates that require a my old habits are hard to break. but i am not an old dog in my habits. I find it helps the learning process. what it is all about. I usually try and upgrade, usually through yum first, and

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sticking a mark in the middle of other things in a way that causes confusion generally needs that and may well need the permission of the rights holder. What if the trademarked term causes confusion by itself? What if it was created to cause

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By what measurement - remembering that much of GNU is actually BSD and other projects with bits nailed on or assimilated into the project. For the 3rd time today, 4th in the thread, please see the links into the blong, at the end of the most

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 16:03 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: So, if someone said I'm a Linux developer, you'd immediately know that the person: a) wrote some code present in linux-2.6.26.tar.bz2 b) wrote some code for your favorite application c) maintains a package in your favorite distro

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: Aren't you obligated by accepting this license to observe its terms which explicitly extend to the work-as-a-whole? You're not even required to accept the license. Even if you do, it grants you certain permissions over the whole and every part of it, but it doesn't

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Alan Cox
The GPL meets both the FS and the OSS definition. News to me. GPLv3 has clauses which are specifically aimed at certain uses, and clauses which contain systematic biases in favour of people who have certain long standing arrangements with Microsoft. It's not IMHO an OSS licence. Free yes, OSS

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Tim
Tim: The majority will understand Linux as being an OS, the whole thing, one of the many OS distros that are similar to each other (*), but not understand it as referring to just the kernel. Björn Persson: And then you'll hear arguments like You think Windows is bloated? Linux is *much*

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alan Cox
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:06:35 -0300 Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 21, 2008, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By what measurement - remembering that much of GNU is actually BSD and other projects with bits nailed on or assimilated into the project. For the 3rd time

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 15:49 -0400, Mark Haney wrote: (really, will someone kill this thread?) I call Godwin's... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread jeff moe
Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler at chello.at writes: Alexandre Oliva aoliva at redhat.com writes: If you find any such problems in BLAG 8 (never formally released) or BLAG 9 (released easier today), please report them. Here's some I found at a quick glance:

Fedora 9 installation problem

2008-07-21 Thread Oz Bonfim
I've just installed Fedora 9 on my computer. I got the following message: The GNOME session manager was unable to lock the file '/home/bonfim/.ICEauthority'. Please report this as a GNOME bug. Sometimes this error may occur if the file's directory is unwritable, you could try logging in via

Re: Where is Kdict?

2008-07-21 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 01:09 +, g wrote: i just was not aware that yum started out with current directory. It's not *yum* doing that, it's your command line interpreter. Everything typed into it is a communicating with *it*. When you type yum then type more stuff after it, is the CLI that's

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Les Mikesell
Alexandre Oliva wrote: This is fundamentally contradictory. If you have to choose between these two, you're choosing between promoting either FS or OSS. the GPL is the well-known instance. The GPL meets both the FS and the OSS definition. The GPL can only meet it under very limited

Re: Fedora 9 installation problem

2008-07-21 Thread Sean Bruno
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 19:36 -0700, Oz Bonfim wrote: home/bonfim/.ICEauthority It looks like you have somehow run or done something that changed the permissions on some of the stuff in your directory. I believe that if you chown these files in your home directory, you should be able to clear

SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!! Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Seriously, you freaking people are never gonna agree, and that's fine. We are not here to watch zealots clog up our inboxes with this garbage. Take it off list, or meet in the alley out back and handle it with your favorite dueling weapons or whatever, but PLEASE, SHUT UP. Jeez! -- fedora-list

Re: Problems ejecting cd/dvd media on F9

2008-07-21 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
g wrote: and what do you do to stay operational? if you trash an install with an upgrade then you are either taking time out to install your backup, if you have one, or you are fighting to find out what is wrong with upgrade. Worst that has ever happened to me was my FC3 boot got trashed

Re: Where is Kdict?

2008-07-21 Thread g
Tim wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 01:09 +, g wrote: i just was not aware that yum started out with current directory. It's not *yum* doing that, it's your command line interpreter. right you are. after learning 25+ yrs ago, i do admit to having forgotten a few things. thanks for

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Thomas Cameron
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 04:35 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: The OSS movement cares about popularity and convenience, so an esential part of this movement is to accept, endorse and promote the use of software that denies users their freedoms, when that is convenient and can lure in more users.

Re: Problems ejecting cd/dvd media on F9

2008-07-21 Thread g
Kevin J. Cummings wrote: snip You think maybe I've just been lucky? B^) yum is sweeter than cotton candy... -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: DWARF 2[/3] the most advanced debugging format?

2008-07-21 Thread Nifty Fedora Mitch
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 11:13:34AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: a friend who's just getting into development on Linux was reading the gcc manual and ran across the variety of available debugging formats here: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.3.0/gcc/Debugging-Options.html and

Re: SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!! Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread max bianco
2008/7/21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Seriously, you freaking people are never gonna agree, and that's fine. We are not here to watch zealots clog up our inboxes with this garbage. Take it off list, or meet in the alley out back and handle it with your favorite dueling weapons or

Re: *News Flash* Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Ed Greshko
CNN reports that leading climatologists and Al Gore have confirms that all the hot air on this thread is accelerating global warming. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

SElinux settings different for upgrade vs full-install

2008-07-21 Thread Douglas Otis
When logging in as root on an upgraded system, the desktop would not load (gconf related errors), and there appeared to be no way to shutdown or escape beyond hitting the system reset while seeing mostly a blank screen. There was a difference noticed between a full-install and the upgrade from

Re: *News Flash* Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread g
Ed Greshko wrote: CNN reports that leading climatologists and Al Gore have confirms that all the hot air on this thread is accelerating global warming. way to go ed. now you have given linux.whiz [what is that running down his leg?] kid another thread... -- tc,hago. g . in a free world

Re: Fedora 9 installation problem

2008-07-21 Thread Tod Merley
2008/7/21 Oz Bonfim [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just installed Fedora 9 on my computer. I got the following message: The GNOME session manager was unable to lock the file '/home/bonfim/.ICEauthority'. Please report this as a GNOME bug. Sometimes this error may occur if the file's directory is

Re: SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!!

2008-07-21 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 21:59 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously, you freaking people are never gonna agree, and that's fine. We are not here to watch zealots clog up our inboxes with this garbage. Take it off list, or meet in the alley out back and handle it with your favorite dueling

Re: f9 ftp timing out

2008-07-21 Thread Tod Merley
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:58 PM, rfjones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded to fedora 9, and now the vsftpd server no longer works when I do a put, it goes to passive mode and just sits there any help greatly appreciated TIA rfjones -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To

Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer

2008-07-21 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 18:07 +, g wrote: Craig White wrote: snip AuthInfoRequired negotiate got into /etc/cups/printers.conf in the printer definition and removing the line completely solved it. I have no idea how it got there because you use a computer and it forgot 1st law?

Re: SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!! Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread g
max bianco wrote: snip Is the asterisk in the subject line supposed to confuse me? Its quite now we have 5 'gnu/linux' threads. will we see 6??? -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!!

2008-07-21 Thread Ed Greshko
Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 21:59 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously, you freaking people are never gonna agree, and that's fine. We are not here to watch zealots clog up our inboxes with this garbage. Take it off list, or meet in the alley out back and handle it with your

Re: SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!!

2008-07-21 Thread g
Craig White wrote: snip #1 - the participants of this discussion are the best/brightest that snip Craig well said, craig. as long as i am in 3, why not 4. lol -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To

Re: SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!! Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread g
Ed Greshko wrote: snip Sure, why not? They all make about the same level of sense. true. but, more sense than the *one* who got these 3 going. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!!

2008-07-21 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 12:16 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: #1 - the participants of this discussion are the best/brightest that Linux has to offer...Seriously. When these people are talking, I'm paying attention even though I'm not significantly emotionally invested in the subject. Too bad

Re: SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!!

2008-07-21 Thread Ed Greshko
Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 12:16 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: #1 - the participants of this discussion are the best/brightest that Linux has to offer...Seriously. When these people are talking, I'm paying attention even though I'm not significantly emotionally invested in the

F8 - Error in xine installation failure

2008-07-21 Thread Barry
At the end of Xine installation got messages below; Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8 file /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of

Re: Minor GNOME and KDE menu annoyance

2008-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 11:19 +0930, Tim wrote: Tim: That's still alternating between mouse and keyboard. That's bad ergonomics. Menus should be a quick thing to do, that's *NOT. That's convoluted and delaying. Patrick O'Callaghan: You can still use the menu as a menu. All I'm

Re: F8 - Error in xine installation failure

2008-07-21 Thread Thomas Cameron
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 21:50 -0700, Barry wrote: At the end of Xine installation got messages below; Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8 file

Re: Where is Kdict?

2008-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 01:09 +, g wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip Try info bash to read up on the bash Shell, i bees up on bash. i used it in cromix and later in unix. i just was not aware that yum started out with current directory. Yet again: this has nothing to do with yum!

Re: I need help with Fedora

2008-07-21 Thread Ric Moore
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 05:59 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 14:20 +0530, aakash sharma wrote: See, one of the problems with open source is . THERE'S NO SUPPORT: Wrong, wrong, wrong! there is, of course, the irony

Re: F8 - Error in xine installation failure

2008-07-21 Thread Barry
Thomas Cameron wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 21:50 -0700, Barry wrote: At the end of Xine installation got messages below; Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/locale/cs/LC_MESSAGES/libxine1.mo from install of xine-lib-1.1.12-2.fc8 conflicts with file from package xine-lib-1.1.8-4.fc8

Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer

2008-07-21 Thread g
Craig White wrote: snip sometimes, I haven't a clue to references that you make - i.e. - 1st law? execute as instructed. which is where i have found assembler to be better at than using an 'interpreter/compiler'. if you can understand 'machine code', using assembler makes for a closer

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GPL meets both the FS and the OSS definition. News to me. http://www.opensource.org/node/193 GPLv3 has clauses which are specifically aimed at certain uses I guess it's pointless for me to ask you to substantiate this, since you're

Re: Where is Kdict?

2008-07-21 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 00:28 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I'm surprised that someone who's been using Shells as far back as Cromix doesn't realize this, as it's absolutely fundamental to understanding how the Shell works. I'm surprised that an experienced user would make that mistake, too.

Re: f9 ftp timing out

2008-07-21 Thread rfjones
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 21:09 -0700, Tod Merley wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:58 PM, rfjones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I upgraded to fedora 9, and now the vsftpd server no longer works when I do a put, it goes to passive mode and just sits there any help greatly appreciated TIA

Re: SHUT THE F*CK UP ALREADY!!! Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Ric Moore
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 21:59 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seriously, you freaking people are never gonna agree, and that's fine. We are not here to watch zealots clog up our inboxes with this garbage. Take it off list, or meet in the alley out back and handle it with your favorite dueling

Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?

2008-07-21 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 21:47 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: the GPL is the one that most often does not permit freedom compared to any other set of combinations Just because it doesn't permit the freedom that *you* want to exploit... All licenses will limit something that someone wants to do. This

Re: Where is Kdict?

2008-07-21 Thread g
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: does. No offence, but I'm surprised that someone who's been using Shells as far back as Cromix doesn't realize this, as it's absolutely fundamental to understanding how the Shell works. no offense taken. simply a matter of thinking about yum, not shell and passing of

Re: FC8: Using Sqlite3 in OpenOffice, with or without ODBC

2008-07-21 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 16:41:28 PM -0400, Todd Denniston wrote: M. Fioretti wrote, On 07/21/2008 03:06 PM: I'm having problem to find applicable documentation which explains how to connect to, and manage, an Sqlite 3 database with OpenOffice 2.3 on Fedora 8... there are several resources

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Ric Moore
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 04:47 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: I kept asking in the hope that at least some people would start thinking about whether their opponents even understood what meaning they put in the words. I expected that some of the anti-GNU/Linux folks would say that Linux is the

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Anders Karlsson
* Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20080722 04:25]: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:06:35 -0300 Alexandre Oliva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the 3rd time today, 4th in the thread, please see the links into the blong, at the end of the most recent posting

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jul 21, 2008, Timothy Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which was intended to run under Linux (or GNU/Linux, if you prefer). Under Linux I'd say there's only firmware. On Linux I'd say there's pretty much only GNU libc. On top of GNU libc, there are all those applications intended to run on

Re: that old GNU/Linux argument

2008-07-21 Thread Ric Moore
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 20:42 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 21, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Alexandre Oliva So, if someone said I'm a Linux developer, you'd immediately know that the person: .. wrote some code that runs on the Linux OS. And you're not the least

RE: [Fedora-livecd-list] custom spin: %post section not being executed

2008-07-21 Thread DON . RAIKES
Thanks, I will fix my kickstart file and try again :) -Original Message- From: Tim Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 5:22 PM To: fedora-livecd-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: [Fedora-livecd-list] custom spin: %post section not being executed Don,

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