Re: Classroom session on Fedora fonts packaging

2008-12-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 06 décembre 2008 à 17:54 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : Hi all, This is a bit impromptu, but as part of the Fedora classroom program, I'll animate a session on fonts packaging tomorrow the 7th of December at 12:15 UTC in the #fedora-classroom irc.freenode.net IRC channel.

Re: Classroom session on Fedora fonts packaging

2008-12-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 06 décembre 2008 à 17:54 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : Hi all, This is a bit impromptu, but as part of the Fedora classroom program, I'll animate a session on fonts packaging tomorrow the 7th of December at 12:15 UTC in the #fedora-classroom irc.freenode.net IRC channel.

rpms/cjkunifonts/F-10 cjkunifonts.spec,1.22,1.23

2008-12-07 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Author: behdad Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/cjkunifonts/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv26794 Modified Files: cjkunifonts.spec Log Message: * Sun Dec 7 2008 Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] - * 0.2.20080216.1-9.3.fc10 - Don't umask before fc-cache. - Add -f to

rpms/cjkunifonts/devel cjkunifonts.spec,1.21,1.22

2008-12-07 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
Author: behdad Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/cjkunifonts/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv27426 Modified Files: cjkunifonts.spec Log Message: Sun Dec 7 2008 Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 0.2.20080216.1-10.fc11 - Don't umask before fc-cache. - Add -f to

rpms/terminus-font/F-10 .cvsignore, 1.3, 1.4 sources, 1.3, 1.4 terminus-font-console.README.fedora, 1.2, 1.3 terminus-font.spec, 1.7, 1.8

2008-12-07 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
Author: ndim Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/terminus-font/F-10 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv29699 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources terminus-font-console.README.fedora terminus-font.spec Log Message: * Sun Sep 21 2008 Hans Ulrich Niedermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

rpms/terminus-font/F-9 .cvsignore, 1.3, 1.4 sources, 1.3, 1.4 terminus-font-console.README.fedora, 1.1, 1.2 terminus-font.spec, 1.6, 1.7

2008-12-07 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
Author: ndim Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/terminus-font/F-9 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv29721 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources terminus-font-console.README.fedora terminus-font.spec Log Message: * Sun Sep 21 2008 Hans Ulrich Niedermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

[Bug 474045] there is a newer upstream version available (4.28)

2008-12-07 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=474045 --- Comment #6 from Fedora Update System [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-07 08:04:39 EDT --- terminus-font-4.28-1.fc9 has been

[Bug 474045] new upstream version 4.28; use cyrillic non-script characters

2008-12-07 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=474045 Hans Ulrich Niedermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added

rpms/terminus-font/devel .cvsignore, 1.3, 1.4 sources, 1.3, 1.4 terminus-font-console.README.fedora, 1.2, 1.3 terminus-font.spec, 1.7, 1.8

2008-12-07 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
Author: ndim Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/terminus-font/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv29104 Modified Files: .cvsignore sources terminus-font-console.README.fedora terminus-font.spec Log Message: * Sun Sep 21 2008 Hans Ulrich Niedermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Bug 18928] New: RFE: add a gfx preview to font packages

2008-12-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18928 Summary: RFE: add a gfx preview to font packages Product: PackageKit Version: unspecified Platform: Other OS/Version: All Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority:

[Bug 18928] RFE: add a gfx preview to font packages

2008-12-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18928 --- Comment #1 from Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-07 11:53:48 PST --- Thinking about it some more a complete glyph table is probably too much, and a bitmap preview won't work too well depending on the target system dpi, to the

rpms/freetype/F-9 freetype-autohinter-ligature.patch, NONE, 1.1 freetype.spec, 1.62, 1.63

2008-12-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Author: kkofler Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/freetype/F-9 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv12224/F-9 Modified Files: freetype.spec Added Files: freetype-autohinter-ligature.patch Log Message: * Sun Dec 07 2008 Kevin Kofler [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2.3.5-7 - Add

[Bug 368561] ligature-related font rendering bug with 'ff' and 'fi'

2008-12-07 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=368561 --- Comment #56 from Fedora Update System [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-07 19:34:36 EDT --- freetype-2.3.5-5.fc8 has been

[Bug 474522] Incorrect cent sign glyph (U+00A2) in Sans and Mono style in Liberation fonts

2008-12-07 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=474522 Caius CHANCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 473552] Fix dejavu-* dependencies

2008-12-07 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473552 --- Comment #1 from Balint Cristian [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-12-08 01:25:50 EDT --- For now scons is broken in -devel,

Welcome back boot.log - Fatal errors in firewall script

2008-12-07 Thread Peter Malcolm Croft Price
I could maybe have noticed it before but the following lines appear in boot.log of my recently F9 to F10 upgraded system: - Verifying that all kernel modules are ok Loading kernel modules: ip_tables, FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. ip_conntrack, FATAL: Module ip_conntrack not found. The

Re: esc and rhgb

2008-12-07 Thread Richard Hughes
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 13:20 -0800, Globe Trotter wrote: Similar with some of the graphical messages that come out of PackageKit: this morning, it said resolving dependencies and got stuck with an error Could not resolve dependencies. I prefer yum anyday. PackageKit uses yum to do the depsolve

Re: KDE in F10

2008-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 02 December 2008 20:42:42 Armin Moradi wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:40 AM, Marcelo Magno T. Sales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Em Seg 01 Dez 2008, lanas escreveu: On a related subject, is 'the cube' ('twas called Beryl last time I tried) available on F10 and does it now supports

Re: Root in FC-10

2008-12-07 Thread steve
Hello, R. G. Newbury wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: After all, we do not want to see Linux systems that are as insecure as Windows systems are by default. Running as root all the tine defeats most of the security of a Linux system. Mikkel Well how *exactly* does running *as root*

Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

2008-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 03 December 2008 19:14:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I used the phrase (in quotes) experienced user it was euphemistic for older user. I don't know Arthur's age, but I do know he's not young. And he's not alone. I haven't quite made 70 yet, but I'm getting there. Age is not

Re: OT: rdesktop and netmeeting

2008-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 03 December 2008 01:44:24 Jamie Bohr wrote: The use of rdesktop does not allow sharing in netmeeting.  RDP and netmeeting, from what I understand, uses the same port. In the past I used gnomemeeting with netmeeting. gnomemeeting is now ekiga, which I haven't used, so I don't know

Re: Virtual DNS questiona and reverse lookup table conflicts

2008-12-07 Thread Veli-Pekka Kestilä
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Christopher K. Johnson wrote: Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 13:34:06 -0800, Daniel B. Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to have a single DNS server support two different domain names, with each domain name having it's own forward and

F10 Presto repo?

2008-12-07 Thread Frank Murphy
is it the same as F8\9 mirrorlist? Frank -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines

default audio card

2008-12-07 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, I have 2 card on my PC, this is the modprobe.cong: alias ppp-compress-18 ppp_mppe options snd cards_limit=8 alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 options snd-intel8x0 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-trident options snd-trident index=1 alias snd-card-7 snd-usb-audio options snd-usb-audio index=7 I

yum ackward message

2008-12-07 Thread Paulo Cavalcanti
Hi, I am getting this message when I run yum on F10: Running Transaction Installing : xboard 1/1 ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.49:/org/freedesktop/PackageKit: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: A security policy in place prevents this

cron.weekly FC10

2008-12-07 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, Since I switch to FC10, I have the cron.weekly starting 2 timess: This is what I have in my crontab: # run-parts 01 * * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.hourly 02 0 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily 11 0 * * 0 root run-parts /etc/cron.weekly 42 4 1 * * root run-parts /etc/cron.monthly

Re: F10 -- How do I start AR5413 interface?

2008-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
I've been following this thread, as I have the Atheros AR242x. My symptoms, and output from each of the suggested commands, are very close to identical to Robert's. On Thursday 04 December 2008 22:01:31 Rodney Morris wrote: I created my /etc/modprobe.conf using emacs and adding the single

Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

2008-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 03 December 2008 17:14:46 Arthur Pemberton wrote: Yes, I was a bit worried when I heard that KControlCenter was going away. but the replacement is much better aesthetically and functionally at least. The reason it seems smaller than kcontrol is because kcontrol set some items

Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

2008-12-07 Thread abhishek rane
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. I don't want to start a KDE food fight. I suspect that it's a generational thing. In any event, I would think that enough interest exists in the 3.5x branch to reconsider including it on the install media. How many people are

Re: Uninstall

2008-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 05 December 2008 13:02:49 Robert Holtzman wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2008, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sun, 6 Jul 2008, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 06 July 2008 10:57, Mike Dwiggins wrote: Is there a way to just flat uninstall FC 8. I need to make a workstation match a customer

Re: Analog-to-Digital Audio:

2008-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 05 December 2008 20:31:08 Jeff Maxwell wrote: I am in need of a way to process an analog stereo input device         to         digital.                 I basically have old cassettes and reel-to-reels that I would         like to         convert to digital. You are getting

Re: No dates in kmail

2008-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Saturday 06 December 2008 16:25:35 Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: Please can some other KDE user check this out - it looks like a bug. I'll mention it on a KDE list as well, to try to ascertain whether it's a KDE bug or a Fedora one. Using f10 and kde4.1.3, with

Re: No dates in kmail

2008-12-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Sunday 07 December 2008 05:30:54 Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Rex Dieter wrote: When did it start? kde-4.1.2 - kde-4.1.3 upgrade perhaps? Sorry, I really couldn't say, but that sounds about right. I didn't complain, because kde-4.2 is so close and I know that many of these nit-picky

[OT] ncurses vs pdcurses questions

2008-12-07 Thread Deepak Shrestha
Hi, I am trying to create a small app using ncurses for my own learning purpose (ncurses programming itself). This is my first time to tackle this subject and lot is going on my head, so please be patient with me. What I understand is: 1) ncurses is not available in

Re: Emacs Fonts vs. F10

2008-12-07 Thread Neal Becker
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 22:15 +, Jonathan Underwood wrote: Emacs 22 (in F10) uses the legacy Xorg fonts, so you need to install those... Many thanks. This fixes the problem. And good luck in getting emacs maintained again. Also ... I gathered from the web

Re: F10 Presto repo?

2008-12-07 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Frank Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it the same as F8\9 mirrorlist? Just checked and apparently not. I need to work this out with Angel Marin, but a workaround for now for F10 i386 is to set your baseurl to http://lesloueizeh.com/f10/i386/updates. My

Update applet alert icon is MIA in F10

2008-12-07 Thread Sam Varshavchik
In F9, each time I log in and connect to my WAP, yum-updatesd-helper runs, and after doing its thing if there are updates, the update applet shows an alert icon in the task bar. That alert seems to be missing now, after upgrading to F10. 'yum update' shows that there are pending updates. When

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-07 Thread R. G. Newbury
Mikkel Ellertson But it is time to stop playing parent to everyone. Geoff Nope - we are not trying to play 'nanny'. If you do not see what this has to do with security, then I feel sorry for you, and hope that it is just your home system that you are putting at risk. The defaults are to

Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

2008-12-07 Thread Claude Jones
On Sunday 07 December 2008 06:24:26 Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 03 December 2008 19:14:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I used the phrase (in quotes) experienced user it was euphemistic for older user. I don't know Arthur's age, but I do know he's not young.  And he's not alone.   I

Re: esc and rhgb

2008-12-07 Thread Globe Trotter
--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: esc and rhgb To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 3:59 AM On Fri,

Re: Virtual DNS questiona and reverse lookup table conflicts

2008-12-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 12:19:11 +0200, Veli-Pekka Kestilä [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know you can have only one reverse map for one ip-address. But for the e-mail server it should be enough for you to have one valid forvard reverse pair. Reverse maps are just PTR records. You

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
R. G. Newbury wrote: Of course you are playing nanny! You admit it in your response right after you deny it. The defaults are to protect people that are learning. That's my point. You are adding the job of nanny under the guise of security. That is NOT security. Geoff I would be

Unable to login after latest FC10 updates (i386 on Dell GX270)

2008-12-07 Thread Al Dunsmuir
I'm running FC10 on 3 systems - 2x 32-bit (DELL GX260, D810 laptop) and 1x 64-bit (AMD quad). After applying all the recent updates, the D810 and AMD box are fine. Unfortunately, on the GX260 I can no longer log on - the Gnome logon panel appears to have all buttons in the bottom row and my user

custom package - update / obsolete

2008-12-07 Thread David Hláčik
Hi guys, please give me an advice. Desciption Shortly, i have build my own freetype packages which comes from ubunu intrepid source and patches. It's name is freetype-2.3.7-2ubuntu1.fc10 . Latest freetype package in F10 is freetype-2.3.7-2.fc10. I have my custom repo where this packages i

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
R. G. Newbury wrote: That's my point. You are adding the job of nanny under the guise of security. That is NOT security. Boy, this is getting old. If you run as root, any bug that allows for remote code execution is an immediate root compromise, with no need for any privilege escalation. If

Fwd: custom package - update / obsolete

2008-12-07 Thread David Hláčik
Just to add question, where can i find official rpm SPEC file definition ? (for Fedora) Thanks! D. -- Forwarded message -- From: David Hláčik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:17 PM Subject: custom package - update / obsolete To: Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Hi

Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

2008-12-07 Thread homburg
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:24:26 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know Arthur's age, but I do know he's not young. And he's not alone. I haven't quite made 70 yet, but I'm getting there. Age is not the barrier, it's reluctance to change, and that's a very personal thing. Let's

Re: F10: Unrequested automatic installation ::rant

2008-12-07 Thread Robert Locke
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:57 +, Richard Hughes wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 18:37 -0500, lanas wrote: I'm suprised this packagekit-whatever default behaviour went into production w/o anyone raising a red light. Even if it's a bug. truly surprising. Not a bug, quite deliberate.

Re: Selinux and Firefox

2008-12-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
Jim wrote: On a Box with Five Users, one user is having problems with, when starting Firefox, Selinux continues to pop up with error message, if you shut down one error message, immediately another will pop up. Could it be a problem with the /home/user/.mozilla directory that Selinux doesn't

Re: default audio card

2008-12-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, I have 2 card on my PC, this is the modprobe.cong: alias ppp-compress-18 ppp_mppe options snd cards_limit=8 alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 options snd-intel8x0 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-trident options snd-trident index=1 alias snd-card-7 snd-usb-audio

Re: Preupgrade F-8 to F-10: a short saga

2008-12-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Timothy Murphy wrote: I ran preupgrade-cli on my F-8 machine, choosing F-10 to upgrade to. This worked fine, finding some 800 packages to update. But when it ended and I re-booted, the upgrade system failed at the graphics stage. After various failed attempts, I got the new system to

Re: custom package - update / obsolete

2008-12-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
David Hláčik wrote: Shortly, i have build my own freetype packages which comes from ubunu intrepid source and patches. It's name is freetype-2.3.7-2ubuntu1.fc10. Are there patches there are are not in the freetype-freeworld package from rpmfusion? Latest freetype package in F10 is

Re: default audio card

2008-12-07 Thread Patrick Dupre
In FC7, I did not have to switch the indexes ! Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, I have 2 card on my PC, this is the modprobe.cong: alias ppp-compress-18 ppp_mppe options snd cards_limit=8 alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 options snd-intel8x0 index=0 alias snd-card-1 snd-trident options snd-trident

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-07 Thread homburg
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:50:29 -0500 R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorta like your mother probably did many times when you were a child. But it is time to stop playing parent to everyone. That sums it up -- the nanny culture. I am very conservative with my server (running Centos

Fedora 10 Virtualization Question

2008-12-07 Thread Robert L Cochran
I want to install Fedora 10 as a host OS on a system that has an Intel P9500 processor, which provides Intel Virtualization Technology and Intel 64. I want to use the virtualization features in Fedora 10 to create Windows XP and Windows Vista virtual machines, with equal or better performance

Re: Virtual DNS questiona and reverse lookup table conflicts

2008-12-07 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sun, Dec 07, 2008 at 12:19:11 +0200, Veli-Pekka Kestilä [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know you can have only one reverse map for one ip-address. But for the e-mail server it should be enough for you to have one valid forvard reverse pair. Reverse

Re: Virtual DNS questiona and reverse lookup table conflicts

2008-12-07 Thread John Cornelius
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: [WARNING! This is a long discussion!] Is it possible to have a single DNS server support two different domain names, with each domain name having it's own forward and reverse lookups? The problem I seem to run into is that of reverse lookups; I cannot seem to

Re: esc and rhgb

2008-12-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 07 December 2008, Globe Trotter wrote: --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: esc and rhgb To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date:

Re: OT: rdesktop and netmeeting

2008-12-07 Thread Wayne Feick
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 11:33 +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 03 December 2008 01:44:24 Jamie Bohr wrote: The use of rdesktop does not allow sharing in netmeeting. RDP and netmeeting, from what I understand, uses the same port. In the past I used gnomemeeting with netmeeting.

How send special keystrokes to guest (w2k8) system?

2008-12-07 Thread Frantisek Hanzlik
I just install w2k8 server guest at Fedora 10 host (HW:FS PRIMERGY SX330S1, 2x Quad Opteron 2352 with virtualization support) with kvm virtualization. All works probably fine, but I cann't send keystrokes as CTRL+ALT+DEL to guest. I tried: - disable handling special keys (CTRL+ALT+key) in X

Re: Unable to login after latest FC10 updates (i386 on Dell GX270)

2008-12-07 Thread stan
Al Dunsmuir wrote: Unfortunately, on the GX260 I can no longer log on - the Gnome logon panel appears to have all buttons in the bottom row and my user ID button displayed (low intensity) and inactive. This is my DNS, DHCP and Samba server, and these services continue to work in the

Re: Selinux and Firefox

2008-12-07 Thread stan
Jim wrote: FC10/KDE On a Box with Five Users, one user is having problems with, when starting Firefox, Selinux continues to pop up with error message, if you shut down one error message, immediately another will pop up. Could it be a problem with the /home/user/.mozilla directory that

Re: FC11: Two Suggestions

2008-12-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 03 December 2008 19:14:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I used the phrase (in quotes) experienced user it was euphemistic for older user. I don't know Arthur's age, but I do know he's not young. And he's not

Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 04:01 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: There are actually 2 reasons ksynaptics doesn't work: 1. SHMConfig in the synaptics driver is disabled by default, for security reasons. Please explain more. 2. (Once you enable it by writing a custom HAL FDI file, you run into this

Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.

2008-12-07 Thread Linuxguy123
I am really frustrated by some of the things that I hear said on this board. Specifically when someone comes on here and touts the Fedora is bleeding edge software and if it isn't stable enough for you, go get another distribution. That is NOT the intent of Fedora. Fedora is NOT by

Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 04:10 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: So I entered a bugzilla report on this issue and did a bit of background research. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473446 The developer's response ? They tagged the bug as UNFIXABLE. Because that's

Re: Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
Linuxguy123 wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 04:01 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: There are actually 2 reasons ksynaptics doesn't work: 1. SHMConfig in the synaptics driver is disabled by default, for security reasons. Please explain more. For one, there is no authentication mechanism in

Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.

2008-12-07 Thread Tom Horsley
because it gives me a chance to try to bust the NUMBER ONE MYTH about Fedora -- that Fedora is just a beta for RHEL Well, I suppose he can try to bust the myth all he wants, but available evidence consistently indicates that Fedora is where things get beta tested before they appear in redhat.

Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.

2008-12-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am really frustrated by some of the things that I hear said on this board. Specifically when someone comes on here and touts the Fedora is bleeding edge software and if it isn't stable enough for you, go get another

Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.

2008-12-07 Thread homburg
On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:16:35 -0500 Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am really frustrated by some of the things that I hear said on this board. Specifically when someone comes on here and touts the Fedora is bleeding edge software and if it isn't stable enough for you, go get another

Re: Update applet alert icon is MIA in F10

2008-12-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Sam Varshavchik wrote: In F9, each time I log in and connect to my WAP, yum-updatesd-helper runs, and after doing its thing if there are updates, the update applet shows an alert icon in the task bar. That alert seems to be missing now, after upgrading to F10. 'yum update' shows that there

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
Linuxguy123 wrote: That's because proprietary drivers are not, have never been and will never be supported in Fedora. Yeah, but Fedora is responsible for shipping PRODUCTION READY stuff. Really? I thought Fedora was about advancing the state of open source software.

Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.

2008-12-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because it gives me a chance to try to bust the NUMBER ONE MYTH about Fedora -- that Fedora is just a beta for RHEL Well, I suppose he can try to bust the myth all he wants, but available evidence consistently indicates

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 04:10 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: So I entered a bugzilla report on this issue and did a bit of background research. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473446 The

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Todd Zullinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ snip ] And if folderview doesn't work with nvidia hardware, I'd hardly call that PRODUCTION READY. I'd call it an nvidia bug. Please report upstream. I am a big fan of FOSS, but in all fairness, this scenario hasn't

Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.

2008-12-07 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 1:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:16:35 -0500 Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am really frustrated by some of the things that I hear said on this board. Specifically when someone comes on here and touts the Fedora is bleeding edge

Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??

2008-12-07 Thread Les
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 11:43 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: 1) be ABLE to write good documentation. You yourself acknowledged good documenters are scarce. You're either good at it or you aren't, it's just like programming or any other complex creative activity.

Re: Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Todd Zullinger wrote: While the GUI apps don't seem to work without SHMConfig yet, you can still tweak the settings in xorg.conf or, better yet, via HAL. I used to use xorg.conf since it existed by default anyway. In F10, I've moved my settings to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-synaptics.fdi, which

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 13:03 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: Yeah, but Fedora is responsible for shipping PRODUCTION READY stuff. And if folderview doesn't work with nvidia hardware, I'd hardly call that PRODUCTION READY. Where does it say that Fedora has to be

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 13:01 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: The user is left to figure things out for themselves. Go manually play around with your xorg.conf file. Which has been the norm for nvidia users since RH8 days, except that livna, now RPMFusion finally came to the rescue

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Armin Moradi
Short of doing that, you have to wait for someone else to do that work. Since there is no cost to the software, you really can't demand that anyone else fix your bugs. (Though I've certainly found the bugs I've reported to generally get fixed a lot quicker with open source software than

Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??

2008-12-07 Thread Les
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 19:22 +0100, M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 09:31:55 AM -0800, Les wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 12:04 +0100, M. Fioretti wrote: 1) be ABLE to write good documentation. You yourself acknowledged good documenters are scarce. You're either good at it or

Re: Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 13:52 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: While the GUI apps don't seem to work without SHMConfig yet, you can still tweak the settings in xorg.conf or, better yet, via HAL. I used to use xorg.conf since it existed by default anyway. In F10, I've moved my settings to

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Linuxguy123 wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 13:03 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: Yeah, but Fedora is responsible for shipping PRODUCTION READY stuff. And if folderview doesn't work with nvidia hardware, I'd hardly call that PRODUCTION READY. Where does it say that Fedora

Re: Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
Kevin Kofler wrote: You're missing a valid XML header there. HAL apparently doesn't care, but still: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? should be there. And you're also missing the deviceinfo and device tags. Good point. I'll fix my file up so that if HAL does ever care I won't get surprised.

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
See my post entitled: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement. -- Some people misinterpret The Bible too, and after reading it many many times, they come back to the same conclusion. How can you explain the mysteries of life and existence? Fedoora can be explained as

Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.

2008-12-07 Thread homburg
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:18:52 -0600 Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 1:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that Max was either a tad disingenuous or, possibly, unaware of the economic model. Redhat spends considerable sums on Fedora and has a fiduciary

Re: (Off Topic ) Open Source: The Model Is Broken ??

2008-12-07 Thread Les
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 19:22 +0100, M. Fioretti wrote: On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 09:31:55 AM -0800, Les wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 12:04 +0100, M. Fioretti wrote: 1) be ABLE to write good documentation. You yourself acknowledged good documenters are scarce. You're either good at it or

Re: Ksynaptics. (Was preventing people from making a mistake)

2008-12-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
Linuxguy123 wrote: Thanks ! That is a good work around. No problem. How would one disable the touchpad entirely. Looks like Kevin just sent an example (and used valid xml too :). When does this file get read ? Is there a way to force it to be read so that one could change the settings on

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
Can you even report bugs for proprietary software? I've never heard anybody talk about reporting bugs for proprietary stuff! Is it actually possible? -- Yes it is possible. There are Beta Testers for Microsoft Windows 7, I remember there were for longhorn before it became VIsta. I

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 13:48 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 13:03 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: Yeah, but Fedora is responsible for shipping PRODUCTION READY stuff. And if folderview doesn't work with nvidia hardware, I'd

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Linuxguy123 wrote: On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 13:01 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote: Well. You'll have to point me to where it says that on the Fedora website See my post entitled: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement. Where in your post do you reference the Fedora web site? All

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
Armin Moradi wrote: Can you even report bugs for proprietary software? I've never heard anybody talk about reporting bugs for proprietary stuff! Is it actually possible? Yeah. Different vendors have different methods and some don't take reports I'm sure. But nVidia does seem to take bug

Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.

2008-12-07 Thread Armin Moradi
What do you mean by PRODUCTION QUALITY?? It's an ambiguous word, of course. Fedora for me is super stable, therefore, for me, it's production quality. Plus, Fedora's mission is to be bleeding-edge, not a test-bed for software, and it is, afaik, succeeding in this mission! With Fedora you get

Re: want to prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread lanas
On Satudray, 6 Dec 2008 19:04:27 -0600, Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Linuxguy123 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Couple that with the fact that the support lifespan is realistically less than 1 year and its getting hard to justify spending time with

Re: Folderview doesn't work with nvidia. Was prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread Alan Cox
Can you even report bugs for proprietary software? I've never heard anybody talk about reporting bugs for proprietary stuff! Is it actually possible? Nvidia actually seem to take some notice of bug reports. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes they have to be forced to help (as with the forcedeth

Re: want to prevent people from making mistakes?

2008-12-07 Thread lanas
On Suturday, 7 Dec 2008 00:59:12 -0400, Armin Moradi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : linuxguy123, I think you are mixing up the free (as in speech) mind-set, versus the proprietary mind-set of the-company-has-to-fix-everything-and-I-just-have-to-sit-back-and-relax. Free software works

Re: Some people mis interpret Fedora's Mission Statement.

2008-12-07 Thread homburg
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:58:39 -0300 Armin Moradi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean by PRODUCTION QUALITY?? It's an ambiguous word, of course. Fedora for me is super stable, therefore, for me, it's production quality. Plus, Fedora's mission is to be bleeding-edge, not a test-bed for

Re: Root in FC-10

2008-12-07 Thread Les
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 19:34 -0500, R. G. Newbury wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: After all, we do not want to see Linux systems that are as insecure as Windows systems are by default. Running as root all the tine defeats most of the security of a Linux system. Mikkel Well how

Re: KDE in F10

2008-12-07 Thread lanas
On Sunday, 7 Dec 2008 10:52:27 +, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I believe that, as Arthur indicated, it's possible to make it look familiar to a Vista user. While you and I may not think that desirable, I can well believe that it would be a comfort to people coming from Vista and

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