Odd omission for qt4-devel package

2009-06-26 Thread King InuYasha
I found a very strange omission for the qt4-devel package. The path to qt4-devel binaries (/usr/lib/qt4/bin) isn't automatically added to $PATH like qt3's are. Additionally, when I removed the qt3-devel package, the path to qt3-devel binaries (/usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin) isn't automatically removed from

Re: Terminal emulator supporting Indic scripts like {kn, hi, pa}_IN.utf-8

2009-06-26 Thread Rajeesh K Nambiar
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Rajeesh K Nambiar rajeeshknamb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.atwrote: Michal Nowak wrote: Anyone's aware of terminal emulator like gnome-terminal, rxvt, etc being capable of Indic scripts like

[JANITOR] Duplicate directory ownership cleanups

2009-06-26 Thread Tom spot Callaway
Hi, I'm Scruffy, the Fedora Janitor. Today (and likely, over the next few days/weeks), I'll be going through and making minor changes to packages in rawhide (and only in rawhide) where there are cases of unnecessary duplicate directory ownership. Please do not be alarmed! As an example example:

Re: update mechanism for new releases

2009-06-26 Thread Panu Matilainen
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: RPM has seen a lot of improvements in speed and memory consumption Are there any improvements on recovery of unexpectedly failed transactions, such as OOM,

Re: [JANITOR] Duplicate directory ownership cleanups

2009-06-26 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/26/2009 06:07 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Tom spot Callaway wrote: Hi, I'm Scruffy, the Fedora Janitor. Today (and likely, over the next few days/weeks), I'll be going through and making minor changes to packages in rawhide (and only in

Re: Why do we need FC version attached to the package name?

2009-06-26 Thread Simon Andrews
Alexander Boström wrote: Den 2009-06-25 13:07, Simon Andrews skrev: If all anaconda upgrades are going to be online Anaconda upgrades initiated through Preupgrade do not require a network connection. They will if one of the conditions for upgrading is going to be access to the updates

Re: Why do we need FC version attached to the package name?

2009-06-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/26/2009 04:04 PM, Simon Andrews wrote: Alexander Boström wrote: Den 2009-06-25 13:07, Simon Andrews skrev: If all anaconda upgrades are going to be online Anaconda upgrades initiated through Preupgrade do not require a network connection. They will if one of the conditions for

Re: Odd omission for qt4-devel package

2009-06-26 Thread Rex Dieter
Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:05:41 -0500, King wrote: I found a very strange omission for the qt4-devel package. The path to qt4-devel binaries (/usr/lib/qt4/bin) isn't automatically added to $PATH like qt3's are. Additionally, when I removed the qt3-devel package, the

Re: [JANITOR] Duplicate directory ownership cleanups

2009-06-26 Thread Panu Matilainen
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:30:01 -0400, Stephen wrote: I think he's just talking about clearing up unnecessary duplication (like with his php-pear example) that confuses the yum dependency checker. Hmmm? Tom's announcement doesn't mention any such

Re: [JANITOR] Duplicate directory ownership cleanups

2009-06-26 Thread Ralf Corsepius
Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/26/2009 06:07 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Tom spot Callaway wrote: Hi, I'm Scruffy, the Fedora Janitor. Today (and likely, over the next few days/weeks), I'll be going through and making minor changes to packages in

Re: [JANITOR] Duplicate directory ownership cleanups

2009-06-26 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:42:57 +0200, Ralf wrote: be fixing cases where the duplicate directory ownership is acceptable, like much of the perl structure, so you don't have to worry about that. Well, ... he just has committed patches in which he does exactly the opposite. He already

Re: Why do we need FC version attached to the package name?

2009-06-26 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 07:44 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: Preupgrade has access to the network BEFORE the anaconda run, that's the whole point. It processes the pkg lists and downloads all the needed pkgs beforehand. So the anaconda run won't need network access b/c all the pkgs are taken

Re: Why do we need FC version attached to the package name?

2009-06-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Jesse Keating wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 07:44 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: Preupgrade has access to the network BEFORE the anaconda run, that's the whole point. It processes the pkg lists and downloads all the needed pkgs beforehand. So the anaconda run won't need

rawhide report: 20090626 changes

2009-06-26 Thread Rawhide Report
26 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 0.13-1 - auto-update to 0.13 (by cpan-spec-update 0.01) - added a new br on perl(Test::Moose) (version 0) qt-4.5.2-2.fc12 --- * Fri Jun 26 2009 Kevin Kofler ke...@tigcc.ticalc.org - 4.5.2-2 - take current qt-copy-patches snapshot (20090626

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Hi, yum got really slower a few days ago on F10, so I investigated and found that: (3.2.23) #yum list updates real1m28.446s user1m24.553s sys 0m0.546s (3.2.21) #yum list updates real0m7.621s user0m6.673s sys 0m0.390s this

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Seth Vidal wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Hi, yum got really slower a few days ago on F10, so I investigated and found that: (3.2.23) #yum list updates real1m28.446s user1m24.553s sys 0m0.546s (3.2.21) #yum list updates real

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Joe Nall
On Jun 26, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Hi, yum got really slower a few days ago on F10, so I investigated and found that: (3.2.23) #yum list updates real1m28.446s user1m24.553s sys 0m0.546s (3.2.21) #yum list updates real

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Joe Nall wrote: just for fun: set color=never in your yum.conf and run it again. No time difference here (2:23-2:26) for color=never on yum 3.2.23. More than 2 minutes of cpu time on a 3.1GHz E8400. Downgraded to 3.2.21-2 from koji and the same 'yum list updates'

Pidgin Issue, F11 64bit

2009-06-26 Thread Aly Dharshi
Hello Folks, I fired up pidgin via the cmd line and get the following error: $ pidgin (pidgin:25897): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_register: assertion `g_type_is_a (type, GST_TYPE_ELEMENT)' failed ERROR: Caught a segmentation fault while loading plugin file:

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Seth Vidal wrote: and if you can make this happen every time with 3.2.23 if you could please run: time yum -d 3 list updates | grep 'time:' You were not talking to me, but I tried and look at this: (added -C to avoid net access) # time yum -C -d 3 list updates --disablerepo=atrpms\* |

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Roberto Ragusa wrote: It is really CPU intensive. I see some unicode related stuff in the changelog and my memory goes to years ago (RedHat 8?) when the UTF8 enabled grep got a similar slowdown (the lib was then improved after that). Hm, made other experiments

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: and if you can make this happen every time with 3.2.23 if you could please run: time yum -d 3 list updates | grep 'time:' You were not talking to me, but I tried and look at this: (added -C to avoid net access) # time yum -C

Pidgin Issue, F11 64bit

2009-06-26 Thread Aly Dharshi
Hello Folks, Sorry for the hijacking of another thread. I fired up pidgin via the cmd line and get the following error: $ pidgin (pidgin:25897): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_register: assertion `g_type_is_a (type, GST_TYPE_ELEMENT)' failed ERROR: Caught a segmentation fault

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Joe Nall
On Jun 26, 2009, at 9:49 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Joe Nall wrote: just for fun: set color=never in your yum.conf and run it again. No time difference here (2:23-2:26) for color=never on yum 3.2.23. More than 2 minutes of cpu time on a 3.1GHz E8400. Downgraded to

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Seth Vidal wrote: run: time yum -d 3 --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=ROB10\* \ --enablerepo=updates list updates | grep 'time:' and post that output. Just pasted something similar in another mail, where the time is 1:30 as there are more repositories enabled than in this

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Seth Vidal wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: and if you can make this happen every time with 3.2.23 if you could please run: time yum -d 3 list updates | grep 'time:' You were not talking to me, but I tried and look at this: (added -C to avoid net

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Joe Nall
On Jun 26, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: and if you can make this happen every time with 3.2.23 if you could please run: time yum -d 3 list updates | grep 'time:' You were not talking to me, but

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Roberto Ragusa wrote: I have a hint and it points to the same rpms in more than one repo hypothesis. yum -d 5 lists a lot of excluding for cost: firefox-3.0.11-1.fc10.i386 from updates excluding for cost: gnome-session-2.24.3-1.fc10.i386 from updates [...] I see

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Joe Nall wrote: On Jun 26, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: and if you can make this happen every time with 3.2.23 if you could please run: time yum -d 3 list updates | grep 'time:' You were

Re: evolution+openchange crash

2009-06-26 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Milan Crha wrote: On Thu, 2009-06-25 at 12:32 -0500, Matthew Woehlke wrote: If I file this, should it be against evolution-mapi, or libical? Hi, and thanks, it's already filled under this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=580706 Milan Meh, google must not index

Re: yum 3.2.23 more than 10x slower than 3.2.21?!

2009-06-26 Thread Joe Nall
On Jun 26, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Roberto Ragusa wrote: I have a hint and it points to the same rpms in more than one repo hypothesis. yum -d 5 lists a lot of excluding for cost: firefox-3.0.11-1.fc10.i386 from updates excluding for cost:

Re: Pidgin Issue, F11 64bit

2009-06-26 Thread Aly Dharshi
Yeah I just caught that, and started a new one already ! Sorry about the grief. ASD. On 06/26/2009 11:02 AM, David wrote: On 6/26/2009 11:01 AM, Aly Dharshi wrote: Hello Folks, I fired up pidgin via the cmd line and get the following error: $ pidgin (pidgin:25897): GStreamer-CRITICAL

Re: Pidgin Issue, F11 64bit

2009-06-26 Thread David
On 6/26/2009 1:04 PM, Aly Dharshi wrote: Yeah I just caught that, and started a new one already ! Sorry about the grief. ASD. On 06/26/2009 11:02 AM, David wrote: On 6/26/2009 11:01 AM, Aly Dharshi wrote: Hello Folks, I fired up pidgin via the cmd line and get the following error:

Re: [JANITOR] Duplicate directory ownership cleanups

2009-06-26 Thread Chris Weyl
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Jussi Lehtola jussileht...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 18:07 +0200, Iain Arnell wrote: okay, not actually broken, but this is definitely messing with (some of the) perl structure (and perl-DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn already requires

Re: [JANITOR] Duplicate directory ownership cleanups

2009-06-26 Thread Chris Weyl
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Jussi Lehtola jussileht...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 18:07 +0200, Iain Arnell wrote: okay, not actually broken, but this is definitely messing with (some of

Re: rawhide report: 20090626 changes

2009-06-26 Thread Benjamin Kosnik
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Re: Odd omission for qt4-devel package

2009-06-26 Thread King InuYasha
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:05:41 -0500, King wrote: I found a very strange omission for the qt4-devel package. The path to qt4-devel binaries (/usr/lib/qt4/bin) isn't automatically added to $PATH like qt3's are.

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
17:32:01 zodbot jds2001: #170 (Rename Desktop live image to GNOME live image) - FESCo - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/170 17:32:06 Kevin_Kofler This one is my proposal. See the ticket for the rationale. [cut] 17:34:03 Kevin_Kofler It stops misleading users about the contents

Re: xterm terminfo spec change in ncurses

2009-06-26 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 02:22:44PM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Over the past three years, I have yet to know what is the official xterm spec. Everyone seems to follow whatever they want. Some history: I use a home-grown application that is exclusively terminal-based. It relies on

Re: doubt regarding package name

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Orcan Ogetbil wrote: lzma-sdk-java is good but on the other hand, lzma's java SDK is called SevenZip. That's just its internal name. It's not officially called anything other than LZMA SDK. I'd like to remind everyone that unlike perl, tcl/tk, ... ; the word java doesn't need to take part in

Re: doubt regarding package name

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Fernando Nasser wrote: Not all under our control, not all authors still around etc. And these fails are subtle and sometimes only detected too late. The truth is that the regexp syntax is almost impossible (actually, I believe it is impossible) if the prefix is not there. There isn't enough

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: 17:32:01 zodbot jds2001: #170 (Rename Desktop live image to GNOME live image) - FESCo - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/170 17:32:06 Kevin_Kofler This one is my proposal. See the ticket for the rationale. [cut] 17:34:03 Kevin_Kofler

Re: Odd omission for qt4-devel package

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
King InuYasha wrote: Yes I have. I was unable to build Mozilla with the cairo-qt option because it was unable to detect Qt4's moc. It's supposed to look for moc-qt4, if it doesn't, that's upstream's failure. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Seth Vidal wrote: Furthermore, I was being flippant b/c I thought the claim that Kevin was making was a bit over the top. Misleading? That implies intent and no one is intending to mislead anyone. Huh? You can accidentally mislead somebody. I never claimed it was intentional! That said, after

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread John5342
2009/6/26 Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org: I suggest everyone cut the drama. We're talking about whether or not the live cd is labeled as 'gnome desktop' or leaving it as it currently is which says: 'fedora 11 desktop edition: featuring the gnome desktop'. I see a very big difference. I

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
John5342 wrote: I see a very big difference. I look at http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora and i see a Fedora 11 Desktop Edition which somewhere in the small print says it features Gnome. Anyone at a glance could easily believe that this is the one and only desktop that Fedora provides (it

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 23:59 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: That's kinda the point, there should be no one default in the first place. We have 2 perfectly functional primary live spins, they should get equal treatment. They are not equal, and they shouldn't get equal treatment. The Fedora Project

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Adam Miller
Just curious... Is the KDE liveCD considered a Spin or an official release image? -Adam -- http://maxamillion.googlepages.com - () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments --

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Guido Grazioli wrote: From wikipedia: Version 8.0 was also the second to include the Bluecurvehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluecurve desktop theme http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_%28computing%29. It used a common theme for GNOME-2 and KDE 3.0.2 desktops, as well as OpenOffice-1.0. KDE

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Ian Weller
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 05:18:52PM -0500, Adam Miller wrote: Just curious... Is the KDE liveCD considered a Spin or an official release image? KDE Live ISOs are official, last time I checked. -- Ian Weller i...@ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Adam Miller
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Ian Welleri...@ianweller.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 05:18:52PM -0500, Adam Miller wrote: Just curious... Is the KDE liveCD considered a Spin or an official release image? KDE Live ISOs are official, last time I checked. If it is official, I think it

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Kevin Kofler wrote: As Orcan's and John's reply show, I'm far from the only one who thinks the current naming of the GNOME-based spin is misleading and biased (which was another thing the opponents to my proposal claimed during the meeting). ...and they're just the ones annoyed enough to speak

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: They are not equal, and they shouldn't get equal treatment. The Fedora Project has a default install, which features a desktop, which currently is gnome. Renaming things in a website will not change that. If you want to change that, you've got quite a bit different of a

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Adam Miller
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Matthew Woehlkemw_tr...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: I too would like to see KDE treated as a first-class citizen, rather than blindly pushing Gnome to the ignorant masses. The problem with this is that you are now pushing two things blindly at ignorant masses,

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Guido Grazioli
2009/6/27 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at Guido Grazioli wrote: From wikipedia: Version 8.0 was also the second to include the Bluecurvehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluecurve desktop theme http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theme_%28computing%29. It used a common theme for GNOME-2 and KDE

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Jesse Keatingjkeat...@redhat.com wrote: Looking even farther in the future to where we have AutoQA functioning, we can treat critical-path packages differently in the real rawhide. Packages outside of critical-path will have autoqa tests done on them in an

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Jon Stanley
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Adam Millermaxamill...@gmail.com wrote: If it is official, I think it should at least get placed on the same web page as the gnome/default one like it used to. We're well aware that the current download page is deficient. The design team is actively working to

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Please do not quote my e-mail address unobfuscated in message bodies. Adam Miller wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: I too would like to see KDE treated as a first-class citizen, rather than blindly pushing Gnome to the ignorant masses. The problem with this is

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: I suggest everyone cut the drama. We're talking about whether or not the live cd is labeled as 'gnome desktop' or leaving it as it currently is which says: 'fedora 11 desktop edition: featuring the gnome desktop'. I don't see the need for

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Seth Vidal wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: - A topic was brought up to FESCo. It was concerning an unease of an important fraction of our members. and I disagree with that fraction. - You may not find it an important issue personally. But that doesn't change the fact that

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 05:27:12PM -0500, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: As Orcan's and John's reply show, I'm far from the only one who thinks the current naming of the GNOME-based spin is misleading and biased (which was another thing the opponents to my proposal claimed during

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Matthew Garrett wrote: Gnome in Fedora simply gets more development effort, has more documentation based around it and therefore deserves to be the default. Pretending that KDE has the same level of support does nothing to benefit KDE. There is a self-fulfilling prophecy in there. --

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jon Stanley wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: There is a self-fulfilling prophecy in there. Prophecy? Prophecy implies something that will happen in the future, vs. something that is a fact now. Then call it a vicious circle if you want, his point will still

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 19:18:42 -0600, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Currently, a number of folks (myself included) thinks that Fedora should have in their target demographic users who are new to Linux in general and Fedora in particular. The sort of people who read a review Yikes. I

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 07:44:48PM -0500, inode0 wrote: When I look at a directory listing and see Fedora-11-x86_64-Live.iso Fedora-11-x86_64-Live-KDE.iso it is pretty clear to KDE users which image they want. How about we give the poor Gnome users the same courtesy and indicate which

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 03:27:30AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Garrett wrote: It's not the project's role to lift non-default software to the same level of involvement as the default software. That's a premise I don't agree with. The non-default software has many users (see below),

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 03:38:11 +0200, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Seth Vidal wrote: Fedora contributors elected representatives. The word representative contains represent. You're supposed to represent the opinions of the people who elected you, not just your own.

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bruno Wolff III wrote: Yikes. I wouldn't recommend Fedora to casual computer users. I would (and have) recommend starting with Ubuntu and if they become interested in particpating, suggest that Fedora is great for that. It may be, that in the F12 time frame, Fedora will have fewer issues

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 03:38:11AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: The word representative contains represent. You're supposed to represent the opinions of the people who elected you, not just your own. We have secret ballots. How is one to know which group of people actually voted for you or not?

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Garrett wrote: How many of those users are potential Fedora users? If we present KDE as a fully-supported choice, most of them. If we present it as that hobby project those amateurs in KDE SIG do, few of them. Take your pick. You're presenting a false choice. Given current resources,

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 04:10:16AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Garrett wrote: It's not a default if you're providing a choice. I see no reason why we can't provide a choice of 2 desktops. How is a non-Linux user supposed to choose? We've optimised the Linux install procedure to the

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 04:22:34AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Garrett wrote: You're presenting a false choice. Given current resources, it's not possible to support both Gnome and KDE to the same level. Unjustified claim. Not in the slightest. We have a finite quantity of

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Miller wrote: As I have brought up to Kevin Kofler in IRC, I think before we did something like that we would need to first look into having the KDE SIG spawn up documentation that matches the gnome-centric docs As I replied to you on IRC, I think it's the Docs Team's responsibility to

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bruno Wolff III wrote: Please no. I am sick enough of that in real world politics. Representatives are supposed to do what they think is best, not what the majority of (less informed) people want. I want representatives that are going to lead the project, not make decisions based on opinion

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Adam Miller
On 6/26/09, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Adam Miller wrote: As I have brought up to Kevin Kofler in IRC, I think before we did something like that we would need to first look into having the KDE SIG spawn up documentation that matches the gnome-centric docs As I replied

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Miller wrote: The Docs team is currently generating Documentation for the Fedora Desktop which in the current state of Fedora, is Gnome centric. If it's really just that, then we just need to declare there to be 2 default desktops and the Docs folks will feel responsible for providing docs

Re: FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

2009-06-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Bruno Wolff III wrote: If the people don't think a politician is properly protecting their interest, than the next election cycle they should vote for someone else. And this is not possible if all the big parties

[Bug 507637] Missing fontset info

2009-06-26 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507637 --- Comment #4 from Caius 'kaio' Chance ccha...@redhat.com 2009-06-26 02:38:03 EDT --- I have checked the whole process of

[Bug 507151] Review Request: gfs-decker-fonts - GFS Decker Greek fonts

2009-06-26 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507151 --- Comment #5 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2009-06-26 23:00:12 EDT ---

[Bug 507151] Review Request: gfs-decker-fonts - GFS Decker Greek fonts

2009-06-26 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507151 Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added

mdomsch on vacation

2009-06-26 Thread Matt Domsch
We're heading to Michigan tomorrow morning early, back late 7/4. As in previous years, I'll have exceedingly limited email and network connectivity (I have to sit in the front yard of the cottage and sniff wireless off an unsuspecting neighbor 100yds away). If anything goes boom with MM, there

Re: mdomsch on vacation

2009-06-26 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2009-06-26 04:59:02 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: My Austin, TX thermometer at home today: 107. Arcadia, MI high for next week: 76. Nice - have a great trip :-) If you're around a bit tonight, mind taking a look to see if there's anything abnormal with mirrormanager now? We just rebuilt all of the

Re: mdomsch on vacation

2009-06-26 Thread Matt Domsch
90 isn't unusual. 70 crawlers, 6 app servers with wsgi, and cron jobs on bapp1 could easily account for that. -- Matt Domsch Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com www.dell.com/linux -Original Message- From: Ricky Zhou ri...@fedoraproject.org Date: Fri, 26 Jun

Re: mdomsch on vacation

2009-06-26 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2009-06-26 10:59:44 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: 90 isn't unusual. 70 crawlers, 6 app servers with wsgi, and cron jobs on bapp1 could easily account for that. Ah, OK maybe we need to look at adjusting our limits then. Thanks, and enjoy your trip, Ricky pgpxjpNPyaD1a.pgp Description: PGP

Re: SSH key warnings

2009-06-26 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2009-06-25 09:29:14 PM, Ricky Zhou wrote: Hi, as some of you noticed (good!), you might start getting prompted to verify SSH host keys on bastion. This is because we have temporarily disabled the system-wide ssh_known_hosts file as we are rebuilding a bunch of machines today. Once

Puppet Cleanup

2009-06-26 Thread Ricky Zhou
Just giving a heads up - as the final stage of the web app refactoring (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1464), I'm about to push some commits which delete a ton of old/unused files from puppet. My apologies if I was a bit overzealous and deleted anything that was still being

Re: Pulseaudio and low volume

2009-06-26 Thread Alessandro Boggiano
davide ha scritto: Alessandro Boggiano boggiano at gmail.com writes: The problem is that, at the startup, the volume is quite low, even if I set it to the max volume with the applet; so, all the times, I have to start alsamixergui and set the right value. Ciao Alessandro, I solved the same

Re: Unable to Automate SSH authentication

2009-06-26 Thread Konstantin Svist
Rahul Tidke wrote: Hello, I am configuring Fedora Core 6 and CentOS5.3 for automatic SSH authentication, ssh version is OpenSSH_4.3p2, OpenSSL 0.9.8b, I have executed following commands but still both systems prompt me for passwords instead of using public keys. ssh-keygen -b 1024 -t

Re: Pulseaudio and low volume

2009-06-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/26/2009 11:33 AM, Alessandro Boggiano wrote: Thanks Davide, I tried it: it's ok! Very good piece of sw! It's in autostrart right now! ;) It's a pity that gnome-volume applet can't do it! It will, in the next release. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VolumeControlContinued

Re: pendrive problem

2009-06-26 Thread Sumit Agrawal
You can use gpart to make your USB pendrive as bootable then try to install Fedora 11 using liveusb-creator procedure. I never try with F11 but I installed F10 same way. Or From windows you can make F11 installable USB Pen drive. Try below link it is very easy way

Re: Encrypted Root with F11

2009-06-26 Thread davide
Brian Mearns bmearns at ieee.org writes: echo Creating block device nodes. mkblkdevs echo Creating character device nodes. mkchardevs echo Loading dm-crypt module modprobe -q dm-crypt echo Loading aes module modprobe -q aes echo Loading cbc module modprobe -q cbc echo

Re: Unable to Automate SSH authentication

2009-06-26 Thread Rahul Tidke
Konstantin Svist wrote: Rahul Tidke wrote: Hello, I am configuring Fedora Core 6 and CentOS5.3 for automatic SSH authentication, ssh version is OpenSSH_4.3p2, OpenSSL 0.9.8b, I have executed following commands but still both systems prompt me for passwords instead of using public

[SOLVED] Re: Unable to Automate SSH authentication

2009-06-26 Thread Rahul Tidke
Konstantin Svist wrote: Rahul Tidke wrote: Hello, I am configuring Fedora Core 6 and CentOS5.3 for automatic SSH authentication, ssh version is OpenSSH_4.3p2, OpenSSL 0.9.8b, I have executed following commands but still both systems prompt me for passwords instead of using public keys.

Re: F11 Java Graphics issue

2009-06-26 Thread Clemens Eisserer
Hi Ken, Yes, OpenJDK uses the pisces rasterizer which is slower than the ductus one, which is included in Sun's proprietary JRE. Would be interesting if you could try the proprietary build against OpenJDK. I already have some plans speeding up Pisces, I just need some time to finally sit down ;)

the cost of defining new yum groups?

2009-06-26 Thread Robert P. J. Day
is there any noticeable cost to defining new yum groups? and can different groups have an overlap? i ask as a followup to an earlier post when i asked about the minimal set of packages needed to do docbook/xml/xslt processing. right now, there's an Authoring and Publishing group that

Re: the cost of defining new yum groups?

2009-06-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/26/2009 02:07 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: is there any noticeable cost to defining new yum groups? and can different groups have an overlap? i ask as a followup to an earlier post when i asked about the minimal set of packages needed to do docbook/xml/xslt processing. right

F11: The PHP distributed with F11 does not have imap_open

2009-06-26 Thread Terry Barnaby
Hi the PHP (5.2.9) distributed with F11 does not appear to have the imap_open function. Is this in a separate package that needs to be installed ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines:

Re: Some issues in F11

2009-06-26 Thread Chris Rouch
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Bradleypursley...@comcast.net wrote: On 06/25/2009 07:47 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:09:55 -0500 Bradley wrote: - Upon installation, the system was unable to determine what type of monitor was available and doesn't give me the option to

Re: Some issues in F11

2009-06-26 Thread David
On 6/25/2009 8:47 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:09:55 -0500 Bradley wrote: - Upon installation, the system was unable to determine what type of monitor was available and doesn't give me the option to manually select the monitor's type or capabilities. You can do a yum

Re: Warning against preupgrade

2009-06-26 Thread Simon Andrews
Sam Varshavchik wrote: By the time I'm done, I expect 5 for 5 failures (so far, I'm 2 out of 2). Starting with F9, Anaconda reliably failed to install grub for me, on every one of my machines, despite that they're all different. I've hit this too. I've been meaning to open a bug report for

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