On 06/28/2009 04:32 PM, Till Maas wrote:
Will I also loose my cla_done membership, once you notice that I removed my
phone number from FAS after I quit the contract for the telephone connection?
Or is it only required to provide a valid phone number at the time cla_done
membership is
Matthew Garrett wrote:
But when we talk about Fedora features, we're not talking about
packaging updates.
But all this focus on Fedora features is what I'm objecting to in the
first place. Users care about what features are there, not about who wrote
them. Yet I don't see us filling in feature
Matthias Clasen wrote:
Now I guess it would be my turn to feel insulted, and stamp my foot,
because I do the majority of the stable Gnome updates. And yes, they do
exist.
At the rate of one update per month to every GNOME package?
Kevin Kofler
--
fedora-devel-list mailing list
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
nm-applet doesn't work the KDE Wallet for example. This is exactly what
I mean by lack of integration.
That's why we're switching to the plasmoid. :-)
And how is this relevant to the user? The user cares about what features
they're getting, not who has written the code
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
The constructiveness if for KDE SIG and individuals to accept that his
claim of perfect integration is silly when there are many gaps to
address.
Those gaps are not integration issues. They're just features which GNOME
happens to have.
I have no problems with that
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
This x86_64 issue is also a nasty side effect of your design policy: why are
we defaulting to reduced performance for the vast majority of new hardware
(basically only netbooks and a handful pretty specialized devices
Frank Murphy, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:38:45 +0100:
Is there any contingency plans in place, for a worst case scenario if
C#, is lost? FesCo?
Sure, there is, but no need to panic ... sky is not falling yet (and
there are many reasons to believe it never will).
Note for example, that default
2009/6/29 Eric Springer erik...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
This x86_64 issue is also a nasty side effect of your design policy: why are
we defaulting to reduced performance for the vast majority of new hardware
(basically only
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:14 AM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote:
Frank Murphy, Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:38:45 +0100:
Is there any contingency plans in place, for a worst case scenario if
C#, is lost? FesCo?
Sure, there is, but no need to panic ... sky is not falling yet (and
there are many
On 06/29/2009 12:54 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
The user does not care, so why present things to the user as if they should?
I said nothing about users. You should as a Fedora developer care about
integration with leading edge features that makes Fedora stand out.
You're calling things
Someone has just filed a bug that pl.i586 conflicts with pl.x86_64:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508515
This is indeed true (I just verified it), but what I don't know is why
pl.i586 is in the multilib repository in the first place. How do
packages become multilib?
Thanks for
On 29/06/09 09:42, King InuYasha wrote:
I don't think you need to really worry about Mono itself. If you really
are worried about Microsoft suing your brains out, just remove mono-web
and mono-winforms. You don't even need those two for most packaged Mono
apps on Linux. Only if you want to run
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 08:10:07AM +, Matej Cepl wrote:
Jindrich Novy, Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:21:34 +0200:
This is caused by the fact that the /usr/share/texmf exists on your
system. The new texlive needs to replace it with symlink and RPM doesn't
allow to do that if the directory already
On 06/29/2009 02:30 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
I would be worried about users\devs who use fedora apps which depend on C#.
Is C# used just for web-apps (fedora context)?
# repoquery --whatrequires --all --recursive mono-core
It is mostly desktop apps and not web apps. Nothing Fedora specific
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 02:36:37AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jindrich Novy wrote:
This is caused by the fact that the /usr/share/texmf exists on your
system. The new texlive needs to replace it with symlink and RPM
doesn't allow to do that if the directory already exists. Please remove
On 06/29/2009 10:58 AM, Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
Someone has just filed a bug that pl.i586 conflicts with pl.x86_64:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508515
This is indeed true (I just verified it), but what I don't know is why
pl.i586 is in the multilib repository in the first
Mary Ellen Foster píše v Po 29. 06. 2009 v 09:58 +0100:
Someone has just filed a bug that pl.i586 conflicts with pl.x86_64:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508515
This is indeed true (I just verified it), but what I don't know is why
pl.i586 is in the multilib repository in
2009/6/29 Ondřej Vašík ova...@redhat.com:
Mary Ellen Foster píše v Po 29. 06. 2009 v 09:58 +0100:
Someone has just filed a bug that pl.i586 conflicts with pl.x86_64:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508515
This is indeed true (I just verified it), but what I don't know is why
Re the discussion at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html
The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties:
- it presents a neutral default
- it presents a simple choice for newbie who doesnt know what a desktop is
- it shows the range of what is available
-
2009/6/29 David bouncingc...@gmail.com:
Re the discussion at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html
The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties:
- it presents a neutral default
- it presents a simple choice for newbie who doesnt know what a desktop is
2009/6/29 Michal Hlavinka mhlav...@redhat.com:
On Friday 26 June 2009 20:50:58 Jon Stanley wrote:
...
18:42:08 Kevin_Kofler Sweeping them under the carpet is bad.
18:42:16 Kevin_Kofler I also hate how x86_64 is being hidden.
18:42:21 nirik presenting them all on the top page is also fail.
The I don't care looks like get me out of here!.
Not presenting a default choice is just bad usability. Those that know about
the different desktop environments should be offered an easy and accessible
way to get to them (I am not suggesting that the current page does that -
but presenting a
mach - make a chroot - RELEASE NOTES
Announcing the release of mach 0.9.5 - MMM...
WHAT IS IT
--
mach allows you to set up clean roots from scratch for any distribution or
distribution variation supported.
This clean build root can be used to run
On Monday 29 June 2009 13:22:05 Naheem Zaffar wrote:
The I don't care looks like get me out of here!.
I don't care really scares me. If you don't care then system installation or
using with live CD is not a job for you!
Jaroslav
Not presenting a default choice is just bad usability. Those
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 09:22:44AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthias Clasen wrote:
Now I guess it would be my turn to feel insulted, and stamp my foot,
because I do the majority of the stable Gnome updates. And yes, they do
exist.
At the rate of one update per month to every GNOME package?
2009/6/29 David bouncingc...@gmail.com:
Re the discussion at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html
The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties:
- it presents a neutral default
- it presents a simple choice for newbie who doesnt know what a desktop is
On Monday 29 June 2009 12:48:11 David wrote:
Re the discussion at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html
The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties:
- it presents a neutral default
- it presents a simple choice for newbie who doesnt know what a
Paul wrote:
Hi,
I'm trying to stream a stack traceback to a file so that I can add it to
a bug for firefox. However, the likes of firefox firefox.txt, firefox
2 firefox.txt and firefox firefox.txt either dumps nothing or dumps
something, but in all cases, not the stack traceback.
What do I
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:17:47AM +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote:
2009/6/29 Jindrich Novy jn...@redhat.com:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 08:10:07AM +, Matej Cepl wrote:
I think dvipdfm is maintained by you as well, isn't it?
Nope, dvipdfm is maintained by Jonathan G. Underwood (jgu).
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
That said, it's possible to improve over their design, in particular by
adding links to info pages about the desktops and 32 vs. 64 bit right next
to the respective choice. But removing choice is not an improvement.
What if the user was
Josh Boyer wrote:
It is not obvious to me without seeing comparison data as to why it's such
a good thing to have numerous stable updates.
It's a good thing because those updates fix bugs, update translations and in
some cases add features.
Kevin Kofler
--
fedora-devel-list mailing
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
Josh Boyer wrote:
It is not obvious to me without seeing comparison data as to why it's such
a good thing to have numerous stable updates.
It's a good thing because those updates fix bugs, update translations and in
2009/6/29 Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org:
2009/6/29 David bouncingc...@gmail.com:
Re the discussion at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html
The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties:
- it presents a neutral default
- it presents a
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
I find it amusing that you won't even agree that shipping nm-applet in KDE
results is a gap in integration. This was a result of the KDE 3 - KDE 4
migration.
It was actually a result of the NM 0.6 - 0.7 migration. The KDE 3 - KDE 4
migration just made it worse by
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Davidbouncingc...@gmail.com wrote:
Re the discussion at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01991.html
The below suggestion tries to satisfy all parties:
- it presents a neutral default
- it presents a simple choice for newbie who
Bastien Nocera wrote:
I'm sure that a KDE hacker with access to a supported fingerprint reader
could implement the enrollment facility within an afternoon.
There's already an implementation:
http://blog.djaara.net/wordpress/2009/
That's a student from Brno, ltinkl and jreznik know him
Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
Rats. Looks like I'll have to do a bit of fiddling, as upstream puts
everything (incliding binaries) into subdirectories of %{_libdir} and
then makes symbolic links into %{_bindir}. Oh well, can't be avoided I
guess ...
You can try doing what the qt package does and
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
I don't care really scares me. If you don't care then system
installation or using with live CD is not a job for you!
+1, and that's why the current design which is optimized for people who
don't care is broken.
Kevin Kofler
--
fedora-devel-list mailing list
On Saturday, June 27 2009, Kevin Kofler said:
* fixing comps so task-oriented groups like SoundVideo aren't biased
towards GNOME apps (this most likely requires extending the comps format or
having separate comps-kde and comps-gnome - I think extending the format to
handle conditionals based
On 06/29/2009 07:22 AM, Naheem Zaffar wrote:
The I don't care looks like get me out of here!.
Not presenting a default choice is just bad usability. Those that know
about the different desktop environments should be offered an easy and
accessible way to get to them (I am not suggesting that the
On 06/29/2009 09:35 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
David wrote:
The I don't care just links to whichever desktop is currently the
default.
People who don't care should (and will, anyway) just keep using Winblow$ or
whatever crap they're currently using. If you're going through the effort
of
On 06/29/2009 07:20 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
The biggest issue is lack of communication from the only right Desktop - we
can't catch changes if these changes are communicated to community too late.
Lot of new free desktop techs come from Fedora and we know it and we're
working really
Rex Dieter wrote:
Ingvar Hagelund wrote:
* Rex Dieter
amarok2 supports qtscript (which is why it currently has a dependency on
qtscriptbindings)
So, it should be possible to access a mounted iPod db in amarok-2.x
using qtscript?
I'm unfamiliar with programatic access to ipod db's,
Jindrich Novy (jn...@redhat.com) said:
Installing :
texlive-2008-0.1.fc11.x86_642/92
Error unpacking rpm package texlive-2008-0.1.fc11.x86_64
error: unpacking of archive failed on file /usr/share/texmf: cpio: rename
This is caused by the fact that
Jon Stanley (jonstan...@gmail.com) said:
However, I don't think there's anything to worry about here. The only
reason that we ship mono *at all* is that we're covered by some OIN
patents on it. I'm not sure which OIN patents those are, but
essentially if Microsoft wants to pick that fight,
Rex Dieter (rdie...@math.unl.edu) said:
Mary Ellen Foster wrote:
Someone has just filed a bug that pl.i586 conflicts with pl.x86_64:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508515
This is indeed true (I just verified it), but what I don't know is why
pl.i586 is in the
Another don't use $LANGUAGE because its evil post from RMS.
($LANGUAGE has been Java, Javascript and now C#).
As for mono it is simply treated the same as other packages if there
are legal issues it can be removed, if not there is no reason to do
anything.
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fedora-devel-list mailing list
drago01 wrote:
Another don't use $LANGUAGE because its evil post from RMS.
So what? His concerns are real.
($LANGUAGE has been Java, Javascript and now C#).
Java used to be non-Free, so of course it was bad to depend on it.
Especially for those programs which didn't work with the
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 15:15 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Bastien Nocera wrote:
I'm sure that a KDE hacker with access to a supported fingerprint reader
could implement the enrollment facility within an afternoon.
There's already an implementation:
http://blog.djaara.net/wordpress/2009/
Niels Haase (a...@fedoraproject.org) said:
Magical can be: Shows up a list at the installer where you can chose
from Gnome or KDE (both on the same line with no default activation)
and on the next line an alternative environment, here you have thinks
like E17, XFCE, LXDE ... But you only the
Roberto Ragusa wrote:
(Funny that the order of the desktops has come out
alphabetically sorted too)
We may want to list XFCE before LXDE as its the more mature option. But I
don't have popularity stats for those, so I don't know which one is more
popular. The more popular one should be listed
On Monday 29 June 2009 17:12:42 Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 15:15 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Bastien Nocera wrote:
I'm sure that a KDE hacker with access to a supported fingerprint
reader could implement the enrollment facility within an afternoon.
There's already an
drago01 wrote:
Saying mono is evil while having DotGNU seems odd to me
(http://www.gnu.org/software/dotgnu/)
He also recommends against using DotGNU to develop your new Free Software in
(because of the same patent risk as for Mono).
I'm not familiar with the JavaScript story, but if he really
On 06/29/2009 08:49 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
drago01 wrote:
Another don't use $LANGUAGE because its evil post from RMS.
So what? His concerns are real.
Depends on how you read them and whether you agree with him or not.
And for most cases I
There have been a few requests to split out the various libraries in
e2fsprogs into subpackages:
libcom_err(-devel)
libss(-devel)
libuuid(-devel)
Note that libblkid(-devel) has already been split out as it is now part
of util-linux-ng (thanks to kzak!) - an email was sent previously about
that.
On 06/29/2009 09:04 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development#Communication
with this in mind.
Have a ticket open for a new m-l.
devel-apps@ or programming-sig@
Any preference?
May I request that you gather a community and get some more progress
*before*
Once upon a time, Eric Sandeen sand...@redhat.com said:
There have been a few requests to split out the various libraries in
e2fsprogs into subpackages:
libcom_err(-devel)
libss(-devel)
libuuid(-devel)
Note that libblkid(-devel) has already been split out as it is now part
of
Any preference?
May I request that you gather a community and get some more progress
*before* creating yet another mailing list? We have enough dead or
almost dead mailing lists. Adding more isn't useful.
Rahul
Hopefully after seeing this, some may come on board.
If not, then Build it
On 06/29/2009 09:08 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote:
There have been a few requests to split out the various libraries in
e2fsprogs into subpackages:
libcom_err(-devel)
libss(-devel)
libuuid(-devel)
The following packages have BuildRequires: on e2fsprogs-devel, so
depending on what libs they
Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) said:
It's not a default if you're providing a choice.
I see no reason why we can't provide a choice of 2 desktops.
Because giving people a choice when they can't possibly make a good
informed decision is horrible UI.
If you've got someone new to
Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) said:
The word representative contains represent. You're supposed to represent
the opinions of the people who elected you, not just your own.
...
Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) said:
I'm
not going to vote against my electoral promises nor
Niels Haase (a...@fedoraproject.org) said:
Is there any info message telling user something like: You are installing
32bit system on 64bit hardware. Consider using 64bit system for better
performance?
AFAIK not in Fedora, if I remember me correctly, the SuSE installer
shows up such a
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Bill Nottingham wrote:
That's a really crappy place for that message, though. What's the user
supposed to do there... reboot and then go download another 700MB - 4GB?
umm -- trying to boot and install the x86_86 image on a i686
unit returns basically the same under
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development#Communication
with this in mind.
Have a ticket open for a new m-l.
devel-apps@ or programming-sig@
Any preference?
Frank
As a software engineer, I am also interested
Bill Nottingham wrote:
Eric Sandeen (sand...@redhat.com) said:
libcom_err(-devel)
libss(-devel)
libuuid(-devel)
Note that libblkid(-devel) has already been split out as it is now part
of util-linux-ng (thanks to kzak!) - an email was sent previously about
that.
The following packages
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Kevin Kofler said:
It's not a default if you're providing a choice.
I see no reason why we can't provide a choice of 2 desktops.
Because giving people a choice when they can't possibly
2009/6/29 Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, R P Herrold wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Bill Nottingham wrote:
That's a really crappy place for that message, though. What's the user
supposed to do there... reboot and then go download another 700MB - 4GB?
umm --
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote:
Fedora Live Image --- A link that downloads the Gnome or KDE image,
picked at random by a script. SNIP
Now its just getting silly... What a support nightmare that would be.
user I need help
fedora-member What desktop are
Adam Miller on 06/29/2009 11:31 AM wrote:
Now its just getting silly... What a support nightmare that would be.
user I need help
fedora-member What desktop are you running?
user I dunno ... I just downloaded the default
fedora-member .
Enjoy DE Russian Roulette :)
What if the
2009/6/29 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at:
Roberto Ragusa wrote:
(Funny that the order of the desktops has come out
alphabetically sorted too)
We may want to list XFCE before LXDE as its the more mature option. But I
don't have popularity stats for those, so I don't know which one is
2009/6/29 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com:
On Monday 29 June 2009 17:02:36 Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Dariusz J. Garbowski on 06/29/2009 09:56 AM wrote:
Maybe call it Default then?
No, because that's offensive to some people apparently.
No, default is not offensive! Gnome Desktop Live
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Michael Cronenworthm...@cchtml.com wrote:
What if the Fedora version had a suffix?
Fedora 11G - Gnome
11K - KDE
11X - XFCE
11S - no desktop (server?)
Seems silly, too, yes, but just an idea.
Somewhat silly, but the naming convention
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
hallo,
beginning with the release 2.10 of highlight, the license of this
package is changed from GPLv2 to GPLv3.
Best Regards:
Jochen Schmitt
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Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora -
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Roberto Ragusam...@robertoragusa.it wrote:
I propose:
FEDORA LIVE CD
Fedora includes many desktops. You can choose:
[ * ] Fedora Live with GNOME (default)
[ ] Fedora Live with KDE
On 29/06/09 17:17, Mat Booth wrote:
As a software engineer, I am also interested in making Fedora the best
development distro out there (I do this by packaging Eclipse plug-ins)
and I think the formation of a SIG to look after development tools
That's why the sig should come first.
but
Eric Sandeen sand...@redhat.com writes:
Bill Nottingham wrote:
Any chance that in the interim, e2fsprogs-devel could Require: these
new split out packages (if it doesn't already)?
For now it only requires libcom_err-devel, from inspection it looks like
that's the only set of headers that the
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:31:59PM -0500, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
I love how the other side keeps ignoring that we have a
chicken-and-egg situation here.
We have two problems:
1. Fedora has trouble attracting KDE developers.
2. Fedora presents Gnome as better.
Okay, it's been argued into
Hey all,
we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We
want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make
everyday computer use harder than
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Niels Haase wrote:
I wonder if we could find also a way to get the 32bit vs.
64bit choice
also so smart integrated?
Like a additional radio button at the end for choosing 32bit
or 64bit.
PS: Hope that this not cause the next long discussion
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Tom Lane wrote:
Eric Sandeen sand...@redhat.com writes:
Bill Nottingham wrote:
Any chance that in the interim, e2fsprogs-devel could
Require: these
new split out packages (if it doesn't already)?
For now it only requires libcom_err-devel,
2009/6/29 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com:
Hey all,
we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop.
If you wish to improve *user* experience, then you
we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop.
If you wish to improve *user* experience, then you should focus
entirely on actual Fedora releases rather than
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Ben Boeckelmaths...@gmail.com wrote:
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Hash: SHA1
Niels Haase wrote:
I wonder if we could find also a way to get the 32bit vs.
64bit choice
also so smart integrated?
Like a additional radio button at the end for choosing
On 06/29/2009 03:48 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
2009/6/29 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com:
Hey all,
we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop.
If you
2009/6/30 Casey Dahlin cdah...@redhat.com:
These aren't typically the sort of issues you can fix in a running release.
UI is one of those things we expect to remain stable through the cycle.
Even if average user(s) feel uncomfortable? Oh, come on!
--
With best regards!
--
On Jun 29, 2009, at 16:05, Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/6/29 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com:
Focus on rawhide will mean the next release will see the
improvements :)
That means, that the next release will be untested, as usual. So why
create another useless
On Monday 29 June 2009 21:27:27 Matthias Clasen wrote:
Hey all,
we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We
want to identify the small (and sometimes
Focus on rawhide will mean the next release will see the improvements :)
That means, that the next release will be untested, as usual. So why
create another useless initiative?
Huh? your on the devel list and you don't use rawhide? Maybe I should
introduce you to the fedora-test list.
2009/6/30 Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net:
As much fun as it is to make up stats on the spot, I would ask you to show
some proof that nobody uses rawhide.
Please, take a look at smolts statistics, for example. Don't fool
yourself with wrong statement that many users (not redhat
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 23:48 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
If you wish to improve *user* experience, then you should focus
entirely on actual Fedora releases rather than on Rawhide. However I
see that in testing days you still encourage only users with
up-to-date Rawhide installations. That's
2009/6/30 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com:
I repeat - this initiative should be based only (exclusively) on
current releases.
What a load of crap! I use rawhide as do hundreds of other testers.
You contradicting to yourself - if you have many (enough to say that
their number is huge)
On Jun 29, 2009, at 16:25, Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/6/30 Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net:
As much fun as it is to make up stats on the spot, I would ask you
to show
some proof that nobody uses rawhide.
Please, take a look at smolts statistics, for example.
Casey Dahlin wrote:
On 06/29/2009 03:48 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
2009/6/29 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com:
Hey all,
we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
with the goal to improve the user experience of the
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 23:48 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
2009/6/29 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com:
Hey all,
we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 21:07:50 +0100,
Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote:
It's a silly suggestion for a silly thread. I've never had the
impression that Fedora was targeted toward the newbie user
demographic. My MP3 swilling, DVD consuming former Windows using
friends have mostly
Hi Peter,
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Peter Lemenkovlemen...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/6/30 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com:
I repeat - this initiative should be based only (exclusively) on
current releases.
What a load of crap! I use rawhide as do hundreds of other testers.
You
Does archetecture get exported anywhere by javascript?
If so, it would provide a simple way to query the users' hardware.
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Hey Peter,
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
Focus on rawhide will mean the next release will see the improvements :)
That means, that the next release will be untested, as usual. So why
create another useless initiative?
Huh? your on the devel list
Am Montag, den 29.06.2009, 15:27 -0400 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
Hey all,
we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish
with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We
want to identify the small (and
2009/6/29 Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:52 PM, drago01drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Roberto Ragusam...@robertoragusa.it
wrote:
I propose:
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