issues with the koji repo?

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi All, Is there currently an issue with the koji repo process? A pair of rawhide chain builds that I ran last night failed and when I tried them again this morning the previous package still wasn't in the repo to build against. Similarly a F-11 build override that was tagged 10 or so hours ago

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 21:13 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: It just fits into your blind spot so nicely -- because you are firmly convinced that there is never any downside, you completely ignore everytime someone brings up an obvious one. Have a look at http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct

Re: issues with the koji repo?

2009-07-07 Thread Mamoru Tasaka
Peter Robinson wrote, at 07/07/2009 03:26 PM +9:00: Hi All, Is there currently an issue with the koji repo process? A pair of rawhide chain builds that I ran last night failed and when I tried them again this morning the previous package still wasn't in the repo to build against. Similarly a

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:24:24AM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any contingency plans in place, for a worst case scenario if C#, is lost? FesCo? Legal? Is there any searchable parameter, to work out what

How to add custom rpm-defines to rpmbuild while building in Koji?

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! In order to build cross-toolchain I need to pass additional --define binutils_target name of my target to rpmbuild command-line. See this spec, for example: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/spu-binutils/devel/spu-binutils.spec?revision=1.10view=markup How can I do it? --

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:24:24AM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any contingency plans in place, for a worst case scenario if C#, is lost?

Re: How to add custom rpm-defines to rpmbuild while building in Koji?

2009-07-07 Thread Erik van Pienbroek
Op dinsdag 07-07-2009 om 13:02 uur [tijdzone +0400], schreef Peter Lemenkov: Hello All! In order to build cross-toolchain I need to pass additional --define binutils_target name of my target to rpmbuild command-line. See this spec, for example:

Re: How to add custom rpm-defines to rpmbuild while building in Koji?

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2009/7/7 Erik van Pienbroek e...@vanpienbroek.nl: Op dinsdag 07-07-2009 om 13:02 uur [tijdzone +0400], schreef Peter Lemenkov: Hello All! In order to build cross-toolchain I need to pass additional --define binutils_target name of my target to rpmbuild command-line. See this spec, for

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:18:51 +0200, Kevin wrote: Josh Boyer wrote: Fedora Legacy (the original one) failed. It failed because of excess bureaucracy (they didn't even trust Bugzilla's authentication, requiring GPG signing of all Bugzilla comments with impact on the procedures, and QA

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 11:09:51PM -0400, Braden McDaniel wrote: 2. improves the resiliency of the package build to changes to Fedora's autotools chain. Many projects come with public source repositories, and those don't include the binary configure/Makefile.in files. You usually

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:07:52AM +0200, drago01 wrote: The promise makes quite sure to tell you you have no right[1], but you can infringe that they won't sue *you*[2]. [1] = means you can't do it with GPL It explicitly grant this right. What you're explicitly told s that you won't

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Dodji Seketeli
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 07/07/2009 12:02, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra a écrit : What you're explicitly told s that you won't be sued if you do so without the right. And you have no right! Just to try to understand your point. 1/You don't have the rights to do A. 2/

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 07:14 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: libguestfs is a case in point - the Debian maintainer builds it from git using some unknown version of autoconf, and I build it on RHEL and This is a rare exception. No, it's a rare exception for project to keep autotools generated

rawhide report: 20090707 changes

2009-07-07 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue Jul 7 06:15:17 UTC 2009 New package b43-openfwwf Open firmware for some Broadcom 43xx series WLAN chip New package frinika Music Workstation New package mojito A social network data aggregator New package perl-CGI-Application-Plugin-FillInForm

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Braden McDaniel wrote: Breaking compatibility with previous versions of automake, autoconf, or libtool has no impact on released tarballs made using those tools; they continue to work as intended because they do not depend on the presence of these tools. As such, I imagine the autotools

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Sure, why not. It just so happens that, not too long ago, I was in an analogous position where I had some other package that also built against zlib, for $dayjob$. At $dayjob$ we also package free software using a scripted reproducible build. Not RPMs, but an analogous

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sam Varshavchik wrote: Which, as I pointed out, is still the case if you were to patch configure.ac instead. But, go ahead and ignore this inconvenient fact, too. As I explained (and you ignored), configure.ac tends to change a lot less between upstream releases, especially with a lot fewer

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Ding-Yi Chen
於 日,2009-07-05 於 12:32 +0200,Jeroen van Meeuwen 提到: On 07/05/2009 12:12 PM, Jos Vos wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 12:03:05PM +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: The CentOS project, or it's upstream, has a release cycle of approximately three years -not a steady release cycle of three years

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 09:56 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:24:24AM +0200, drago01 wrote: http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06/the-ecma-c-and-cli-standards.aspx Oh poo, and what's the difference? None. None whatsoever but more marketing. You can't

Re: readline update?

2009-07-07 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 05:55:21PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Miroslav Lichvar (mlich...@redhat.com) said: I'd like to update readline to the latest version 6.0. The problem is that the license was changed to GPLv3+ and we have some GPLv2 packages using readline. A possible

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Jonathan Underwood
2009/7/7 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 09:56 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:24:24AM +0200, drago01 wrote: http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06/the-ecma-c-and-cli-standards.aspx Oh poo, and what's the difference? None. None

Re: readline update?

2009-07-07 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 02:48:47PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Miroslav Lichvar wrote: kdeedu-4.2.95-1.fc12 kdeedu only uses readline in KAlgebra which is GPLv2+ (and only in the command-line version (calgebra) at that), so no problems there. (I also verified that calgebra doesn't use any

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Jonathan Underwoodjonathan.underw...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/7 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 09:56 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:24:24AM +0200, drago01 wrote:

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On 07/07/2009 02:30 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: Is there a reason any of that can't be done as a secondary arch-like effort? Nope. Not as far as I can see. I've already pointed out why it's painful to keep EOL releases around. You didn't really address those, and you seemed to have grouped them

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On 07/07/2009 12:37 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:18:51 +0200 Kevin Koflerkevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Patrice Dumas's proposal failed because he wasn't provided with the required infrastructure (and he was unable to come up with it himself, which I can't blame him for).

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread John5342
2009/7/7 Ding-Yi Chen dc...@redhat.com: 於 日,2009-07-05 於 12:32 +0200,Jeroen van Meeuwen 提到: On 07/05/2009 12:12 PM, Jos Vos wrote: On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 12:03:05PM +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: The CentOS project, or it's upstream, has a release cycle of approximately three years

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 14:27 +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote: Not answering Ajax's question specifically, but this looks a bit iffy: If you file, maintain, or voluntarily participate in a patent infringement lawsuit against a Microsoft implementation of any Covered Specification, then this

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:07:52AM +0200, drago01 wrote: The promise makes quite sure to tell you you have no right[1], but you can infringe that they won't sue *you*[2]. [1] = means you can't do it with GPL It

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Julian Aloofi
Am Dienstag, den 07.07.2009, 15:36 +0200 schrieb drago01: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Jonathan Underwoodjonathan.underw...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/7 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 09:56 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:24:24AM +0200,

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Julian Aloofijulian.fedorali...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Dienstag, den 07.07.2009, 15:36 +0200 schrieb drago01: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Jonathan Underwoodjonathan.underw...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/7 Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at

How to properly name a cross-toolchain package?

2009-07-07 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! I plan to add arm-toolchain into Fedora and encountered a difficulty - how to properly name the package? From what I found in the Internets, the cross-toolchains *often* named with the following prefix: arch-vendor-operating system-libc- For example: i686-pc-linux-gnu-

Re: readline update?

2009-07-07 Thread Rex Dieter
Miroslav Lichvar wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 02:48:47PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Miroslav Lichvar wrote: kdeedu-4.2.95-1.fc12 kdeedu only uses readline in KAlgebra which is GPLv2+ (and only in the command-line version (calgebra) at that), so no problems there. (I also verified that

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On 07/07/2009 12:29 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 07/06/2009 03:07 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: Bugzilla spam. If we keep the release open for random bug filing, we have no good way of telling bugzilla that only specific users should get bugs for specific releases of Fedora. Ownership is at a

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:15, Dodji Seketeli do...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 07/07/2009 12:02, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra a écrit : What you're explicitly told s that you won't be sued if you do so without the right. And you have no right! Just to try

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:14, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote: Richard W.M. Jones writes: On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 11:09:51PM -0400, Braden McDaniel wrote: 2. improves the resiliency of the package build to changes to Fedora's autotools chain. Many projects come with

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 16:06 +0200, Julian Aloofi wrote: Unfortunately the patent promise covers more things than just C# / CLI patents. And it seems like you're going to lose the whole promise when you just sue them over one specification in there, e.g. the XPS specification. Maybe that's

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Frank Murphy
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legal-list/2009-July/msg00014.html Regards, Frank -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On 07/07/2009 12:07 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 23:58 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: I wanted to draw your attention to a feature I've proposed for Fedora 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cycle. You can find more details at

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On 07/07/2009 01:06 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:20:50 +0200 Jeroen van Meeuwenkana...@kanarip.com wrote: Reading it on a question-mark per question-mark basis though, I think the feature page answers half of the half-posed questions. Anyway: - a bunch fas names?

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Jesse Keating wrote: These days distributing via tarball is bizarre.  Distributed source control is changing the way that projects work and release. Sure there are plenty of projects out here that don't work this way but more and more are headed in this direction.  I

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Ding-Yi Chen
於 二,2009-07-07 於 14:44 +0100,John5342 提到: 2009/7/7 Ding-Yi Chen dc...@redhat.com: Any comments? In theory your proposal sounds great but i see just one major flaw that probably doesn't have a solution. Your idea of packages being built based on dependencies should work great apart from

Re: Requesting Feature Page Status Updates by July 14, 2009

2009-07-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) said: Per https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Milestone_Adjustment_Proposal what used to be called Beta is now called Alpha. This matches industry nomenclature for what we were actually producing. Uh, I kinda recalled that the feedback on the mailing

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Colin Walters wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Seth Vidalskvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I disagree. I think the discrete tarball snapshot of a release will continue for quite some time and I've not seen anyone moving away from that in their public software

Re: Display configuration test day [TODAY]

2009-07-07 Thread James Laska
On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 22:53 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: Just a reminder that we are kicking off our 'fit and finish' initiative with a test day on display configuration tomorrow, in #fedora-fit-and-finish. If you go to

Re: F10 anaconda incompatible with current F10 yum - WTF

2009-07-07 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
On 07/02/2009 05:31 PM, Xavier Toth wrote: It's a one liner. --- anaconda-11.5.0.12/yuminstall.py.orig 2009-06-30 09:05:19.0 -0500 +++ anaconda-11.5.0.12/yuminstall.py2009-06-30 09:06:03.0 -0500 @@ -575,8 +575,7 @@ YumSorter.getReposFromConfig(self) #

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread John5342
2009/7/7 Ding-Yi Chen dc...@redhat.com: 於 二,2009-07-07 於 14:44 +0100,John5342 提到: 2009/7/7 Ding-Yi Chen dc...@redhat.com: Any comments? In theory your proposal sounds great but i see just one major flaw that probably doesn't have a solution. Your idea of packages being built based on

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Braden McDaniel wrote: Breaking compatibility with previous versions of automake, autoconf, or libtool has no impact on released tarballs made using those tools; they continue to work as intended because they do not depend on the presence of these tools. ...but they depend on a slew of *other*

Broken dependencies in Rawhide - 2009-07-07

2009-07-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
Summary of broken packages (by src.rpm name): bmpx clutter-cairo clutter-cairomm clutter-gst clutter-gtkmm cluttermm CodeAnalyst-gui gauche-gl gauche-gtk ginac kdeedu libchamplain libprojectM libvirt-qpid octave-forge orsa

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ding-Yi Chen wrote: Therefore, I would like to propose an alternative approach, namely, project Denture. See my blog post for further information: http://dingyichen.livejournal.com/14055.html Any comments? As I've tried to explain to you last time you proposed that approach on your blog,

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: Fedora End-Of-Sales or something (please avoid the Legacy or LTS names). End-Of-Sales doesn't make a lot of sense for something which isn't sold… Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Monday 06 July 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: Sam Varshavchik wrote: But that's what /you/ want to do, not me. Me, I'll just apply a patch to the configure script, directly. And you'll be violating the GPL (unless you're talking about a BSD-style-licensed software or configure.ac is

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Braden McDaniel
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 14:01 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Braden McDaniel wrote: Breaking compatibility with previous versions of automake, autoconf, or libtool has no impact on released tarballs made using those tools; they continue to work as intended because they do not depend on the

Re: Broken dependencies in Rawhide - 2009-07-07

2009-07-07 Thread Debarshi Ray
This should have already included in daily rawhide report. I am not sure why broken deps report is not getting included in daily rawhide report. There is some problem with the script and Jesse is not around to fix it. Cheerio, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Woehlke wrote: ...but they depend on a slew of *other* things, like a POSIX shell and many POSIX tools. Right. Assuming POSIX in a tool which is supposed to be a portability tool is completely nonsensical and anachronistic, considering the most popular operating system is a

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ville Skyttä wrote: The FSF seems to disagree with that. http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/html_node/Distributing.html#Distributing That applies to the automatically copied shell code, but not necessarily to the code from the original configure.ac. Kevin Kofler --

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 16:24 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: If you take into account that the proposal concerns security fixes only, then every update has to be labeled a security update (and preferably have some kind of CVE/bug# attached??). We would need to think about a policy for that,

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Braden McDaniel
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 01:17 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 07/06/2009 08:09 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-06 at 16:36 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 07/06/2009 03:57 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote: On 7/6/09 6:10 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: [snip] Introducing side-effects

Re: Broken dependencies in Rawhide - 2009-07-07

2009-07-07 Thread पराग़
Hi, On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Schwendtmschwe...@gmail.com wrote: The following packages in the repository suffer from broken dependencies: package: CodeAnalyst-gui-2.8.38-12.fc12.i586 from fedora-development-i386  unresolved deps:     libbfd-2.19.51.0.2-20.fc12.so package:

Re: Broken dependencies in Rawhide - 2009-07-07

2009-07-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 22:26 +0530, Debarshi Ray wrote: This should have already included in daily rawhide report. I am not sure why broken deps report is not getting included in daily rawhide report. There is some problem with the script and Jesse is not around to fix it. I'm working

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 07/07/2009 09:45 AM, Braden McDaniel wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 01:17 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Perhaps but it doesn't decrease the work that the maintainer has to do. It very well might if Fedora upgrades to a new autoconf, automake, or libtool that is not 100% backward compatible

Re: Broken dependencies in Rawhide - 2009-07-07

2009-07-07 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:16:59PM +0530, Parag N(पराग़) wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Schwendtmschwe...@gmail.com wrote: The following packages in the repository suffer from broken dependencies: package: CodeAnalyst-gui-2.8.38-12.fc12.i586 from fedora-development-i386  

Howto escape # in a spec file

2009-07-07 Thread stefan riemens
Hi all, I need to escape a # character in a spec file, but I can't seem to find how to do that (is it even possible?) See also BZ #508847. There are a couple of .#pfd1.xml like files which need to be rm -f 'd... Thanks, Stefan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

relicensing of Fedora wiki/docs (OPL = CC BY SA)

2009-07-07 Thread Karsten Wade
This is a policy and licensing change that affects anyone who edits the wiki or otherwise contributes to Fedora documentation. The consensus of the Docs Team, with full Legal support, is to relicense wiki and documentation from the deprecated OPL 1.0 to the CC BY SA 3.0 license. This move brings

Re: Broken dependencies in Rawhide - 2009-07-07

2009-07-07 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 15:47 +, Michael Schwendt wrote: The following packages in the repository suffer from broken dependencies: package: pypar-2.1.0_66-3.fc10.i386 from fedora-development-i386 unresolved deps: libpython2.5.so.1.0 python(abi) = 0:2.5 I haven't been able to

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Tuesday 07 July 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ville Skyttä wrote: The FSF seems to disagree with that. http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/html_node/Distributing.html#D istributing That applies to the automatically copied shell code, but not necessarily to the code from the

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread John5342
2009/7/7 Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi: On Tuesday 07 July 2009, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ville Skyttä wrote: The FSF seems to disagree with that. http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/html_node/Distributing.html#D istributing That applies to the automatically copied shell code, but

Re: Keyboard US Internacional

2009-07-07 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira
Hello guys. How can we add gtk2-immodules and gtk2-immodule-xim by default in a PT_BR Fedora installation ? We need to correct this problem ASAP for Fedora 10 ,11 and rawhide We are receiving a lot of claims about this problem in Brazilian lists and forum. Bugzilla entry:

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 04:06:02PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:07:52AM +0200, drago01 wrote: The promise makes quite sure to tell you you have no right[1], but you can infringe that they

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:15:28PM +0200, Dodji Seketeli wrote: Le 07/07/2009 12:02, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra a écrit : What you're explicitly told s that you won't be sued if you do so without the right. And you have no right! Just to try to understand your point. 1/You don't

Re: Dracut now has a wiki page in the Fedora wiki...

2009-07-07 Thread James Laska
On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 11:18 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 23:22 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: It would be nice if someone who actually who's primary language is English reviews and fixes potential ken lee entry's i've made. I did a copyedit on the page,

Re: Dracut now has a wiki page in the Fedora wiki...

2009-07-07 Thread Casey Dahlin
On 07/04/2009 03:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 23:19 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 15:00 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 10:43:34 +0100, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: but it's actually a lot less trouble to just do:

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 21:11 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 04:06:02PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:07:52AM +0200, drago01 wrote: The promise makes quite sure to tell you you

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 04:06:02PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:07:52AM +0200, drago01 wrote: The promise makes

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Till Maas
On Tue July 7 2009, Jesse Keating wrote: See above, should be how we do things now, group related updates into a single bodhi submission, and attach the bugs/CVEs to that single submission. This may be disliked by upstream and others, because it creates bogus security update notification

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 23:06 +0200, Till Maas wrote: This may be disliked by upstream and others, because it creates bogus security update notification mails, that say that there are security updates for packages that are no security updates, e.g.:

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ville Skyttä wrote: Well, the copyright notice at the top of configure (included in my previous mail) pretty clearly tells me what I can do with the script, and who to contact in case I'd disagree or have any questions. The FSF cannot claim copyright over the configure.ac code I or whoever

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Till Maas
On Tue July 7 2009, Jesse Keating wrote: Why was this update marked as security, but not bundled with the package that actually had the security issue that you were rebuilding for? When It was bundled with the packagate that had the security issue:

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: Why was this update marked as security, but not bundled with the package that actually had the security issue that you were rebuilding for? When the entire list of packages is in one email then it makes sense. Such as https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2009-1095.html

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 16:39 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 21:11 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 04:06:02PM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 11:07:52AM +0200,

Re: logistics list

2009-07-07 Thread Till Maas
On Fri July 3 2009, John Poelstra wrote: The logist...@lists.fedoraproject.org mailing list has been created to meet the requirements discussed here: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-July/msg0.htm l Imho announcement mails should not require someone to read some

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 07/07/2009 04:24 AM, drago01 wrote: http://port25.technet.com/archive/2009/07/06/the-ecma-c-and-cli-standards.aspx Were there any announcements about their libraries? This sounds like clarification about which parts of .NET they *don't* plan to sue people over. It would have been easy

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: Which, as I pointed out, is still the case if you were to patch configure.ac instead. But, go ahead and ignore this inconvenient fact, too. As I explained (and you ignored), configure.ac tends to change a lot less between upstream releases,

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Kofler writes: Sam Varshavchik wrote: Sure, why not. It just so happens that, not too long ago, I was in an analogous position where I had some other package that also built against zlib, for $dayjob$. At $dayjob$ we also package free software using a scripted reproducible build. Not

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Matthew Woehlke
(Since I see some people here doing it... *cough*Please do not quote my e-mail address unobfuscated in message bodies.*cough* Thank you.) Simo Sorce wrote: People, why don't you all stop playing lawyer and wait that some lawyer actually comment on the promise? I guess some organization like

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Mark McLoughlin writes: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 07:14 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: libguestfs is a case in point - the Debian maintainer builds it from git using some unknown version of autoconf, and I build it on RHEL and This is a rare exception. No, it's a rare exception for project to

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Note: this is my last email on this thread On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:55:15PM +0200, drago01 wrote: What you're explicitly told s that you won't be sued if you do so without the right. And you have no right! If I told you you can do whatever you want with this and I won't sue

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (Since I see some people here doing it... *cough*Please do not quote my e-mail address unobfuscated in message bodies.*cough* Thank you.) Simo Sorce wrote: People, why don't you all stop playing lawyer and wait that some lawyer

EPEL Bug Day July 11, 2009 0-23:59 UTC

2009-07-07 Thread Michael Stahnke
EPEL bug day is fast approaching and we are looking for your help. This is a chance to get involved with EPEL and help make the overall product a little better. Goal: Reduce or update bugs from EPEL. Strategy: The vast majority of EPEL bugs have been classified loosely into three categories.

Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 23:36 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: Why was this update marked as security, but not bundled with the package that actually had the security issue that you were rebuilding for? When the entire list of packages is in one email then it makes sense.

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 18:16 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Jesse Keating writes: These days distributing via tarball is bizarre. Distributed source control is changing the way that projects work and release. Sure there are plenty of projects out here that don't work this way but more

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Matthew Woehlke
drago01 wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:11 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (Thank you.) http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclientie=utf-8oe=utf-8q=sflc+microsoft+patent+promise (Granted, much of that is about OOXML, but it seems to be referring to the same OSP, and even so, given the

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: And no I am not doing something illegal because the company which holds the patents stated in a legally binding document that I can implement this standards as long as I don't sue them over a patent that is covered

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: In a couple of years Microsoft is bought by Fu-Bar Inc and there goes the promise down the drain. ...if only. The odds of *any* company that might buy out M$ (well, if it isn't started by Gates and/or Ballmer and/or such) being as bad as M$ have got to be

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Matthew Woehlke
drago01 wrote: So what about the patents owned by redhat? http://www.redhat.com/legal/patent_policy.html It's also just promise. True. However anything RH shipped as GPLv3 that uses a RH patent is no longer a mere promise, it's a legally binding patent license. Something that has yet to come

Re: Do we need split media CDs for F12?

2009-07-07 Thread DebianTux23
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Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Matthew Woehlke writes: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: In a couple of years Microsoft is bought by Fu-Bar Inc and there goes the promise down the drain. ...if only. The odds of *any* company that might buy out M$ (well, if it isn't started by Gates and/or Ballmer and/or such) being as bad

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Argh... I know I said I wouldn't, but this one really needs to have some scale applied. On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:43:28AM +0200, drago01 wrote: They just promised (and their word is worthless in this regard) not to sue you. So what about the patents owned by redhat?

Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread DebianTux23
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Re: http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono

2009-07-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bill McGonigle wrote: With being tied up with ECMA and the various well-publicized efforts to get RAND licenses on them, these aren't the parts most people were worried about. But the thing is, RAND does not necessarily mean royalty-free, let alone compatible with Free Software licenses (no

Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sam Varshavchik wrote: This may come as a shock to some, but configure does not often change unless configure.ac changes too. So, I'm not sure what does the frequency of changes to configure.ac has to do with anything. Where your argument falls apart is that patch fuzz is a local concept!

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