Re: persistent clutter and ghc breakage

2009-08-05 Thread Alex Lancaster
BO == Bryan O'Sullivan writes: BO On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Alex Lancaster al...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Similarly with ghc based packages, there appears to be no movement to fix these broken deps: BO We were told there would be a massrebuild that would magically hit all of BO

Re: New facility to request tagging actions

2009-08-05 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 09:35:28PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: This will function much like the 'update' target, it will prompt you to edit a file to fill in the target and a description of your change. It will use a cli tool (fedora-hosted) to file a ticket in the rel-eng trac for you, and

Re: persistent clutter and ghc breakage

2009-08-05 Thread Yaakov Nemoy
2009/8/5 Alex Lancaster al...@users.sourceforge.net: BO == Bryan O'Sullivan  writes: BO On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Alex Lancaster al...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Similarly with ghc based packages, there appears to be no movement to fix these broken deps: BO We were told there

Review

2009-08-05 Thread Jonathan MERCIER
Dear sir, I have an old bug : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=482757 This person want a review someone can review this software please. Thanks kind regards -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Review

2009-08-05 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! 2009/8/5 Jonathan MERCIER bioinfornat...@gmail.com: Dear sir, I have an old bug : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=482757 This person want a review someone can review this software please. Thanks kind regards Jonathan, you may review this srpm by yourself. Don't be

Re: Evolution fonts

2009-08-05 Thread Milan Crha
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 23:00 -0400, TK009 wrote: On 08/04/2009 10:21 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: Does anyone else see the fonts and/or window panes or preview panes showing the email fonts or whatever in a larger size than in previous versions? In other words, if you highlight a folder on left

Re: Review

2009-08-05 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:34 +0400, Peter Lemenkov wrote: Hello All! 2009/8/5 Jonathan MERCIER bioinfornat...@gmail.com: Dear sir, I have an old bug : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=482757 This person want a review someone can review this software please. Thanks kind

Re: Evolution fonts

2009-08-05 Thread Mike Chambers
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 10:58 +0200, Milan Crha wrote: could you add a bug report to https://bugzilla.redhat.com and attach screenshot of that you described above, please? I do not remember any such issue seeing myself, and I cannot even imagine what you mean. Here ya go..

Re: kde-4.3.0 coming to F-10, F-11

2009-08-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
2009/8/5 Christopher Stone chris.st...@gmail.com: I'm glad you are going through with it.  Awesome support from the KDE SIG! Kudos! +1 Thanks from all us F10 users who don't want or cant upgrade to F11 for various reasons. -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- fedora-devel-list

KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Josephine Tannhäuser
Hi all. KDE 4.3 will come to F11 and F10. It's a cool thing. There aren't updates like this for Gnome. Why not? F10 with Gnome 2.26 sounds fine to me. -- Josephine Fine Tannhäuser 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Richard Hughes
2009/8/5 Josephine Tannhäuser josephine.tannhau...@googlemail.com: KDE 4.3 will come to F11 and F10. It's a cool thing. There aren't updates like this for Gnome. Why not? F10 with Gnome 2.26 sounds fine to me. Because I don't want to _support_ the latest and greatest GNOME on old versions. A

rawhide report: 20090805 changes

2009-08-05 Thread Rawhide Report
04 2009 Lubomir Rintel lkund...@v3.sk - 1.2-2 - New upstream release - Fix operation with more recent rpm config skkdic-20090805-1.T0306.fc12 * Wed Aug 05 2009 Mamoru Tasaka mtas...@ioa.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp - 20090805-1.T0306 - Update for F12Alpha - A bit clean up for spec

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Josephine Tannhäuserjosephine.tannhau...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all. KDE 4.3 will come to F11 and F10. It's a cool thing. There aren't updates like this for Gnome. Why not? F10 with Gnome 2.26 sounds fine to me. Because a lot of GNOME works directly with

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 05.08.2009 12:02, Richard Hughes wrote: 2009/8/5 Josephine Tannhäuser josephine.tannhau...@googlemail.com: KDE 4.3 will come to F11 and F10. It's a cool thing. There aren't updates like this for Gnome. Why not? F10 with Gnome 2.26 sounds fine to me. Because I don't want to _support_ the

Re: kde-4.3.0 coming to F-10, F-11

2009-08-05 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 12:04:21 Till Maas wrote: On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 01:55:11PM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: The KDE SIG is now working on KDE-4.3.0-related builds for Fedora 10 and 11 candidate updates. As this requires some buildroot overrides, if your package uses KDE libraries, it

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Juha Tuomala
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 13:08:28 Colin Walters wrote: Because a lot of GNOME works directly with (and depends on) the core OS., and we want a stable system. Does this mean, that every time I've installed my system and left GNOME out, I made a broken system? Is there a list of those

Re: persistent clutter and ghc breakage

2009-08-05 Thread Alex Lancaster
2009/8/5 Alex Lancaster al...@users.sourceforge.net: There was a mass rebuild, but unfortunately they failed because of some (presumably) transient problem with the build system, because the rebuild now. However once the deps failed there should have been regular nagmail from the rawhide

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 12:23:12PM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: On 05.08.2009 12:02, Richard Hughes wrote: 2009/8/5 Josephine Tannhäuser josephine.tannhau...@googlemail.com: KDE 4.3 will come to F11 and F10. It's a cool thing. There aren't updates like this for Gnome. Why not? F10 with

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-08-05 Thread Paul Howarth
On 31/07/09 01:09, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Bill McGonigle wrote: What's it going to take to make most people who shut off SELinux stop doing that? ...being able to install bleeding-edge devel KDE to /usr/local/my-kde-install and be able to use that as my primary desktop. I guess that would -

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 11:49 +0200, Josephine Tannhäuser wrote: Hi all. KDE 4.3 will come to F11 and F10. It's a cool thing. There aren't updates like this for Gnome. Why not? F10 with Gnome 2.26 sounds fine to me. GNOME has stable bugfix updates, and we do bring all of those into released

Re: F12 Alpha Test install

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 21:51 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: 2 - My mouse was not detected at all during install. Or at least, I never saw the mouse arrow during it. Had to use keyboard the whole time. Pretty sure this is an anaconda glitch. X doesn't show a cursor until you define one. I'll

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Rex Dieter
Josephine Tannhäuser wrote: KDE 4.3 will come to F11 and F10. It's a cool thing. There aren't updates like this for Gnome. Why not? For the most part, those are hard decisions best left to the discretion of the maintainers in question. -- Rex -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

'IT Security' in comps? (was Re: comps comps-f12.xml.in,1.71,1.72

2009-08-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
Recently, you've added the following groups to comps: it-security-code-analysis it-security-forensics it-security-intrusion-detection it-security-reconnaissance it-security-wireless it-security-password-recovery You've also added a new toplevel category. This means this new nebulous 'IT Securty'

Re: 'IT Security' in comps?

2009-08-05 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:00:24AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: Recently, you've added the following groups to comps: it-security-code-analysis it-security-forensics it-security-intrusion-detection it-security-reconnaissance it-security-wireless it-security-password-recovery You've

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread drago01
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Thorsten Leemhuisfed...@leemhuis.info wrote: Further: The behavior changes to much IMHO -- one reason why I use Fedora at home and work and suggested it to others were the major new kernel versions that got delivered as regular update. But that doesn't really

Re: potential file-system bug, unison locking issue over ext4

2009-08-05 Thread Eric Sandeen
Ahmed Kamal wrote: Hi, I'm probably hitting some bug in F11. I've created the lcktest directory, and date lcktest/date-file to create a simple file inside. Repeated this on a ext3 and a ext4 file-system. Now, this works fine on ext3, but fails on ext4. I tried the same setup on another F11

Mozvoikko doesn't build on F12, please help

2009-08-05 Thread Ville-Pekka Vainio
Hi, There was a recent xulrunner/Firefox security update and all the packages depending on the unstable xulrunner interface were rebuilt. For some reason the Firefox extension I maintain, mozvoikko, can't be built against xulrunner 1.9.1.2-1.fc12. The build has succeeded with all previous

Re: New facility to request tagging actions

2009-08-05 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 10:06 +0200, Till Maas wrote: +# Description of your tag request\n\ +notes=Here is where you give a description of what you want to change,\n\ +rational for why the change is important enough to break the freeze,\n\ +impact of not accepting the change, and what

Re: Mozvoikko doesn't build on F12, please help

2009-08-05 Thread Rex Dieter
Ville-Pekka Vainio wrote: results in `nsISupports::COMTypeInfoint::kIID' referenced in section `.data.rel.ro' of /usr/lib64/xulrunner-sdk-1.9.1/lib/libxpcomglue_s.a(nsGenericFactory.o): defined in discarded section

Re: Review

2009-08-05 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
JL == Jussi Lehtola jussileht...@fedoraproject.org writes: JL (I'm not very sure, however, about the current policy of wanting JL sponsors to review first packages. IMHO anyone should be able to JL review them, just as long as a sponsor goes through them and some JL inofficial reviews by the

Re: Review

2009-08-05 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:17 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: JL == Jussi Lehtola jussileht...@fedoraproject.org writes: JL (I'm not very sure, however, about the current policy of wanting JL sponsors to review first packages. IMHO anyone should be able to JL review them, just as long as a

Re: Review

2009-08-05 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
JL == Jussi Lehtola jussileht...@fedoraproject.org writes: JL That's what I think, too, but JL http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join#Get_Sponsored JL thinks otherwise: Actually it just says what I said more succinctly. An informal review can be done by anyone. The actual full

Re: License change for ghostscript

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 00:15 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: I should probably talk to Spot about that. So, the rule here is that we don't take outside linking into effect when marking the package's licensing. We go by what the source in the tarball tells us. Otherwise, it would become

Re: License change for ghostscript

2009-08-05 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 11:33 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 00:15 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: I should probably talk to Spot about that. So, the rule here is that we don't take outside linking into effect when marking the package's licensing. We go by what the

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 08:01 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: I don't want to get between the lines here (there are good arguments and against updating Gnome and KDE for older releases) and I hate buzz-words like Corporate identity, but I find it more and more odd that one doesn't know what to expect

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Miller
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com wrote: snip We've had this discussion before, but to re-state my opinion: the only sane way to handle this is multiple, discretionary update repositories. A repository for security and stable bugfix updates, and a repository

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Mark Bidewell
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Adam Millermaxamill...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com wrote: snip We've had this discussion before, but to re-state my opinion: the only sane way to handle this is multiple, discretionary update repositories.

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 17:21 +0300, Juha Tuomala wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 14:06:43 Jussi Lehtola wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 13:46 +0300, Juha Tuomala wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 13:08:28 Colin Walters wrote: Because a lot of GNOME works directly with (and depends on)

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Miller
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Mark Bidewellmark.bidew...@alumni.clemson.edu wrote: snip +1 snip Would we want to consider putting together a proposal for something that is OpenSuSE Buildservice styled in order to satisfy this? -Adam -- http://maxamillion.googlepages.com

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 08/05/2009 11:47 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: And maintainers can choose whether or not they want to take on the work of shipping updates in the adventurous repository. How does this work? It would seem that the adventurous repository would be mandatory as something that changes ABI would

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 13:58 -0500, Adam Miller wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Mark Bidewellmark.bidew...@alumni.clemson.edu wrote: snip +1 snip Would we want to consider putting together a proposal for something that is OpenSuSE Buildservice styled in order to satisfy this?

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 11:58 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On 08/05/2009 11:47 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: And maintainers can choose whether or not they want to take on the work of shipping updates in the adventurous repository. How does this work? It would seem that the adventurous

Re: License change for ghostscript

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 15:03 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 08/05/2009 02:38 PM, Jussi Lehtola wrote: Apropos, what's the license in case a GPL package links against OpenSSL? GPL with exceptions or what? Or is it even allowed? So, in this specific case, I'm still arguing with Red Hat

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 15:28 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: Care to write up a proposal on how this work-flow would look like? Without some of the details, I'm confused how one would avoid all kinds of weirdness from repo conflicts if you have multiple of these repos enabled. That, and the fact

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 08/05/2009 12:11 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 11:58 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Also, having the expectation that the other repository is for security updates doesn't address the problem of a security release breaking ABI. That's rather unlikely (well, except in

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 08/05/2009 03:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: The missing bit of the argument from before is whether we actually want to care about people who only want 'stable' updates, and that tracks back to the question of what Fedora actually is, which I don't believe the Board has settled yet. If we

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:44 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Sure, this is comparable to the present situation. But it doesn't seem like it makes things much better. * It doesn't solve the original poster's issue (that the GNOME stack isn't going to be updated for F10 since the maintainers

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:58 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: It also would require multiple CVS branches, one for security, one for adventurous, as well as different buildroots to go along with those, since you wouldn't be able to build a security update for a gnome package against the newer

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:44 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Sure, this is comparable to the present situation. But it doesn't seem like it makes things much better. * It doesn't solve the original poster's issue (that the GNOME stack isn't going to be updated for F10 since the maintainers

Re: 'IT Security' in comps?

2009-08-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: You've also added a new toplevel category. This means this new nebulous 'IT Securty' item is pushed at the toplevel, much as 'Desktops' or 'Language Support'. That seems misplaced to me. How can I bundle the groups, if not with a category? Or can

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 13:04 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: An alternative would be to tag updates within a single repo in a way that yum and PackageKit understand and have appropriate configuration options to enable certain types of update, which would really be much the same situation, just

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 15:49 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 08/05/2009 03:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: The missing bit of the argument from before is whether we actually want to care about people who only want 'stable' updates, and that tracks back to the question of what Fedora

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 08/05/2009 04:11 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: The question is whether Fedora intends to be a distribution suitable for day-to-day general purpose use by people who are not necessarily that interested in Fedora per se - whether it's got an aim to be a general-purpose operating system like other

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 08/05/2009 01:04 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:44 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Sure, this is comparable to the present situation. But it doesn't seem like it makes things much better. * It doesn't solve the original poster's issue (that the GNOME stack isn't

Re: Mozvoikko doesn't build on F12, please help

2009-08-05 Thread Christopher Aillon
On 08/05/2009 09:26 AM, Ville-Pekka Vainio wrote: Hi, There was a recent xulrunner/Firefox security update and all the packages depending on the unstable xulrunner interface were rebuilt. For some reason the Firefox extension I maintain, mozvoikko, can't be built against xulrunner

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 16:18 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: Maintainers are pushing updates because they feel there is a reason, a bug fixed, a security hole closed, a significant feature enhancement that users want (or that they think users want). A bug filed by FEVEr or it's replacement

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Jesse Keating [05/08/2009 22:38] : A bug filed by FEVEr or it's replacement saying there is a bigger number released somewhere. Do maintainers really push out updates for this? I've always considered a reason to push out a build for rawhide but not to issue updates for the stable releases.

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Orion Poplawski
On Wed, August 5, 2009 2:33 pm, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 16:18 -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote: Maintainers are pushing updates because they feel there is a reason, a bug fixed, a security hole closed, a significant feature enhancement that users want (or that they think

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 22:49 +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: Do maintainers really push out updates for this? I've always considered a reason to push out a build for rawhide but not to issue updates for the stable releases. It's really hard to tell when so many updates pushers put 0 information

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 13:14 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 13:04 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: An alternative would be to tag updates within a single repo in a way that yum and PackageKit understand and have appropriate configuration options to enable certain types of

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 13:25 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Either way it's going to be some level of extra work for someone somewhere, I haven't denied that. Was just discussing the parameters of addressing (or not addressing) this issue. It's not possible to make all parties happy in the

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 13:03 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:58 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: It also would require multiple CVS branches, one for security, one for adventurous, as well as different buildroots to go along with those, since you wouldn't be able to build a

crontab configuration

2009-08-05 Thread Mike Chambers
Ok, in F11 it had /etc/anacrontab file that I could edit to get my cron.daily time to be set. But I don't see that file and can't find where the time is set that I want it ran from. I believe it was 4am this morning when it ran but I don't know where that time to run came from? Any

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Jesse Keating
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:26 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, I think it's really the same issue. The problem is one of expectation: we have two similar components, GNOME and KDE, in the same distribution, following different update polices - GNOME favours stable, KDE favours adventurous.

Re: crontab configuration

2009-08-05 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2009-08-05 04:32:57 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: Ok, in F11 it had /etc/anacrontab file that I could edit to get my cron.daily time to be set. But I don't see that file and can't find where the time is set that I want it ran from. I believe it was 4am this morning when it ran but I don't know

Re: crontab configuration

2009-08-05 Thread John J. McDonough
- Original Message - From: Ricky Zhou ri...@fedoraproject.org To: fedora-devel-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: crontab configuration these anacron/crontab changes should hopefully be mentioned the release notes somehow I have a bug on release

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread drago01
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Tom spot Callawaytcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 08/05/2009 04:11 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: The question is whether Fedora intends to be a distribution suitable for day-to-day general purpose use by people who are not necessarily that interested in Fedora per

Re: Lower Process Capabilities

2009-08-05 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 08/05/2009 08:02 AM, Paul Howarth wrote: http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/27571.html This is really nice. To partially answer my own question, Dan keeps coming up with great stuff that seems essential for average admins to maintain an SELinux box. -Bill -- Bill McGonigle, Owner

Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-05 Thread John Poelstra
Hi FESCo, After requesting status updates, including direct email to the feature owners, the following feature pages do not have a current status or their ability to tested during the Alpha is unclear based on the lack of information provided or percentage of completion.

Re: License change for ghostscript

2009-08-05 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Chris Adamscmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com said: On 08/05/2009 02:38 PM, Jussi Lehtola wrote: Apropos, what's the license in case a GPL package links against OpenSSL? GPL with exceptions or what? Or is it even

Releng Devel Calendar

2009-08-05 Thread John Poelstra
Tasks Beginning or Ending in the Next Two Weeks Name Start End Test 'Test Compose' (boot media testing) Wed 2009-07-29 Wed 2009-08-05 Compose Alpha CandidateThu 2009-08-06 Thu 2009-08-06 Test

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-05 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 15:15 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: Hi FESCo, After requesting status updates, including direct email to the feature owners, the following feature pages do not have a current status or their ability to tested during the Alpha is unclear based on the lack of

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:36 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:26 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, I think it's really the same issue. The problem is one of expectation: we have two similar components, GNOME and KDE, in the same distribution, following different

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:34 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:24 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: That was the problem I initially thought of with this method, but then I thought - there's no actual reason we can't have different trains of updates in a single

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Christopher Stone
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:36 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:26 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, I think it's really the same issue. The problem is one of expectation: we have two similar

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 00:56 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: I'll make sure one of the Desktop-y guys updates this (presumably Matthias). I've updated it recently and bumped it to 75%. It would seem disingenuous to bump it to 100% when GNOME 2.28 has not been released yet. It is fine for the

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 08/05/2009 02:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 13:25 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: Sure. I'm just pointing out that you're trying to solve a different problem than either the original poster or Thorsten. (And now that I understand your problem better, perhaps yours is

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 17:23 -0700, Christopher Stone wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:36 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:26 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, I think it's really the same

Re: F12 Alpha Test install

2009-08-05 Thread Liam
On 08/05/2009 10:51 AM, Mike Chambers wrote: 2 - My mouse was not detected at all during install. Or at least, I never saw the mouse arrow during it. Had to use keyboard the whole time. someone has filed a bug against this. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=513879 3 - I used the

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Guido Grazioli
2009/8/6 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 17:23 -0700, Christopher Stone wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:36 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:26 -0700, Adam Williamson

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: Mandriva has a /testing repository for /updates, but not for /backports, on the basis that /backports is fundamentally unstable so you may as well just do your testing in the repo. This works fine, so far. That's not going to work for KDE SIG. Updates like KDE 4.3.0

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: I probably couldn't do much justice to a comprehensive plan as I have insufficient knowledge of how the buildsystem works. I was acting at a higher level - just trying to point out that it's essentially doomed to try and please everyone with a single update repository,

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: If we are - or _want to be_ - that kind of a distribution, we have to provide a stable update set so we can stop telling people who just want a distro to run Aunt Flo's desktop or their webserver or whatever on to run CentOS or Ubuntu instead. If, however, we really

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthias Clasen wrote: - It would pull along a good-sized portion of the 'plumbing' layer: new udev, kernel, pulseaudio, X... Hmmm, that's interesting. KDE seems to be a lot more flexible there, you sure don't need to run the latest kernel to use the latest KDE. That said, some stuff like the

rt2860 driver (fc11)

2009-08-05 Thread Markus Kesaromous
I know this is a staging and thus experimental driver. I only wanted to point out that if you compile the kernl without SMP support, then this driver module will have these undefined symbols: spin_lock_bh _per_cpu_offset synchronize_irq spin_unlock_irqrestore del_timer_sync spin_lock_irqsave I

Re: non root X

2009-08-05 Thread Dave Airlie
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 15:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi A few days back I ran into http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2009-July/001293.html I am wondering, since we are already using KMS in most places in Fedora, how far are we from achieving this by default in a Fedora release?

Re: non root X

2009-08-05 Thread Ben Boeckel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave Airlie wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 15:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi A few days back I ran into http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2009-July/001293.html I am wondering, since we are already using KMS in most places in

[Issue 43029] support PS-OpenType/OTF/(SFNT with CFF) fonts for PDF export and printing

2009-08-05 Thread hdu
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=43029 --- Additional comments from h...@openoffice.org Wed Aug 5 09:20:48 + 2009 --- *** Issue 104011 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***

[Bug 505911] Intel 3945abg wireless bandwidth

2009-08-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 505911] Intel 3945abg wireless bandwidth

2009-08-05 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 587506] Pango misinterprets GPOS tables?

2009-08-05 Thread pango (bugzilla.gnome.org)
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[Issue 43029] support PS-OpenType/OTF/(SFNT with CFF) fonts for PDF export and printing

2009-08-05 Thread hussnain
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=43029 --- Additional comments from hussn...@openoffice.org Wed Aug 5 23:43:30 + 2009 --- regaring issue nr. 104011 i have exported the file with OO DEV300m53 (Build

[Issue 43029] support PS-OpenType/OTF/(SFNT with CFF) fonts for PDF export and printing

2009-08-05 Thread hussnain
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=43029 --- Additional comments from hussn...@openoffice.org Thu Aug 6 00:29:12 + 2009 --- Created an attachment (id=63976) issue 104011: document of oo 2.1.0

[Issue 43029] support PS-OpenType/OTF/(SFNT with CFF) fonts for PDF export and printing

2009-08-05 Thread hussnain
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=43029 --- Additional comments from hussn...@openoffice.org Thu Aug 6 00:31:17 + 2009 --- Created an attachment (id=63977) issue 104011: document of oo 2.1.0 (correct

RFR: Hosting for Beacon (DocBook Editor) Testing

2009-08-05 Thread satya komaragiri
Ticket filed at: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1580 ==Project Sponsor== Name: Komaragiri Satya Fedora Account Name: satyak Group: Google Summer of Code 2008 Infrastructure Sponsor: None yet. ==Secondary Contact info== Name: Yaakov Nemoy Fedora Account Name: ynemoy Group:

Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:45:08 -0400 Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Jon Stanley (jonstan...@gmail.com) said: I'd like some mailman experts (if we have any) to take a look at this procedure to migrate lists from redhat.com to lists.fp.o and let me know if there's something

Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-05 Thread Jon Stanley
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Kevin Fenzike...@tummy.com wrote: Are we doing a mass migration? Or just migrating lists some at a time as time permits? I can see advantages/disadvantages to both ways, just wondering which we are planning. I was planning on starting small, and adding from

Re: Messaging SIG - proposal for our notification infrastructure

2009-08-05 Thread Mike McGrath
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, John Palmieri wrote: Hey everyone. I put up a proposal[1] that describes a publish/subscribe setup for the infrastructure wide notification system. I haven't quite gotten to the publish side of things because the QMF docs get a little hazy there but the meat of the

Re: OFF-TOPIC: Algol 60 guru required

2009-08-05 Thread Mogens Kjaer
On 08/04/2009 09:03 PM, Les wrote: ... I was going to write a C example, but I am just too rusty in Algol to be sure I coded it correctly. However, the Thunk method as shown using PASCAL is one method of implementing pass by value. If you want to run ALGOL programs, I'll suggest the

Re: use bsnl dial-up for browsing the internet

2009-08-05 Thread Jatin K
On 08/05/2009 10:54 AM, rajpal songara wrote: hi everyone, i'm using bsnl dial-up phone for browsing internet having model cdma2000wll but, i'm still not succeed to conect with internet so, plz guide me how to configure all such things thanks Please fine tune your question means which

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