Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/07/2009 01:03 AM, Till Maas wrote: Would it be ok, to do this and allow maintainers to add there package to a black list, so that no bugs will be filed or should it continue to be opt-in? Then the packags will still be checked, but only reported by other, non intrusive ways, e.g. via

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Rahul Sundaramsunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I would prefer the system to be opt-out. For completely new maintainers or anyone maintaining more than a few packages, it certainly is very useful to get notification via bugzilla about new upstream releases.

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/06/2009 08:50 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: I corrected Peter and Rahul, who did review one of the packages. Both were tankful for my corrections and incorporated the suggestions. That is because they were specific and were things that were in the guidelines. It takes the personalities

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Friday 07 August 2009 04:21:56 Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 12:30 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 12:06 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: OK, bad example, but you know what I mean. Yes, I do, and I think there is room for a Fedora offering that is

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 06:35:14AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/06/2009 09:33 PM, Till Maas wrote: currently upstream release monitoring[0] bug filing is opt-in, which means that it will be only performed for packages that have been activly added by probably a maintainer of the package.

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 11:27:23PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: Speaking just for myself, I'd be happy to have it automatic for my packages. But wow, who's going to key in all those regexps and keep it up to date? On source of normalized data is Oswatershed[0]. My long time vision would be to

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Pierre-Yves
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 10:48 +0200, Till Maas wrote: Would it be ok, to do this and allow maintainers to add there package to a black list, so that no bugs will be filed or should it continue to be opt-in? Then the packags will still be checked, but only reported by other, non intrusive

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:56:03AM +0200, Pierre-Yves wrote: It remembers me a website made by Remi[1] which list for all the package available, for all the branch what version are in the repo. It also provides comparison between upstream and repo for some packages such as the PECL, PEAR and

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread José Matos
On Friday 07 August 2009 09:56:03 Pierre-Yves wrote: It remembers me a website made by Remi[1] which list for all the package available, for all the branch what version are in the repo. It also provides comparison between upstream and repo for some packages such as the PECL, PEAR and R

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 10:21:20PM -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Rahul Sundaramsunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: I would prefer the system to be opt-out. For completely new maintainers or anyone maintaining more than a few packages, it certainly is very

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-07 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Donnerstag, den 06.08.2009, 18:08 +0200 schrieb Ralf Corsepius: On 08/06/2009 05:16 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: [snipped] Sorry, you didn't pick up any of the bugs, none was assigned to you. There is none assigned to me, because I turned away from this person's reviews. You can find

Reign?

2009-08-07 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
Just went to download a Fedora ISO and I'm struck once again by how peculiar the Fedora homepage has become: http://fedoraproject.org/ (or screenshot: http://www.annexia.org/tmp/fedora.png) What does the word Reign have to do with a Linux distro? If I knew nothing about Fedora, what

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/06/2009 09:12 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: Ralf Corsepius, Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:14:47 +0200: I turned away from supporting Mr. Robinson, ignored his reviews and left reviews to others So you lost your right to slander him now. Do you expect people to continue a review even when you'd have to

Re: Reign?

2009-08-07 Thread Nicu Buculei
On 08/07/2009 01:33 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Just went to download a Fedora ISO and I'm struck once again by how peculiar the Fedora homepage has become: http://fedoraproject.org/ (or screenshot: http://www.annexia.org/tmp/fedora.png) What does the word Reign have to do with a Linux

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/07/2009 10:48 AM, Till Maas wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 06:35:14AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/06/2009 09:33 PM, Till Maas wrote: currently upstream release monitoring[0] bug filing is opt-in, which means that it will be only performed for packages that have been activly

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Friday 07 August 2009 10:42:35 Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/07/2009 01:35 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: The other problem is if you'd like stable updates but you prefer KDE, or vice versa =) Why do you expect that updating to the latest KDE means unstable system? ;-) As already

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/07/2009 04:48 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009 10:42:35 Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 08/07/2009 01:35 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: The other problem is if you'd like stable updates but you prefer KDE, or vice versa =) Why do you expect that updating to the latest KDE means

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 12:28:50PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/07/2009 10:48 AM, Till Maas wrote: On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 06:35:14AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 08/06/2009 09:33 PM, Till Maas wrote: currently upstream release monitoring[0] bug filing is opt-in, which means that it

Re: Running a command in background inside spec file

2009-08-07 Thread Murilo Opsfelder Araujo
I was able to do that using triggerin -- packagename. Thanks for helping. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:56 AM, yersiniayersinia.spi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Adam Millermaxamill...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Murilo Opsfelder

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Thomas Moschny
2009/8/5 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com: If we just want to dump all the latest stuff in there, why bother with freezes and releases at all ? We could all just use rawhide... While often repeated, I don't think that argument is true. Some people (including me) like the idea of having a

Re: Reign?

2009-08-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 11:33 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Just went to download a Fedora ISO and I'm struck once again by how peculiar the Fedora homepage has become: http://fedoraproject.org/ (or screenshot: http://www.annexia.org/tmp/fedora.png) What does the word Reign have to do

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
2009/8/7 Thomas Moschny thomas.mosc...@gmail.com: 2009/8/5 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com: If we just want to dump all the latest stuff in there, why bother with freezes and releases at all ? We could all just use rawhide... While often repeated, I don't think that argument is true.

NetworkManager-novellvpn

2009-08-07 Thread Murilo Opsfelder Araujo
Hi, I'd like to know if there is any plan about including NetworkManager-novellvpn [1] in Fedora. Or if there is a GUI alternative to this package. [1] http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/18321.html Thanks in advance. -- Murilo Opsfelder Araujo -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-07 Thread Matěj Cepl
Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de writes: On 08/06/2009 09:12 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: Do you expect people to continue a review even when you'd have to decide against the best of your knowledge and conciousness? Actually, yes, I do. Your job is not to make packages perfect, but to check they

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Christopher Stone
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Jesse Keatingjkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 17:47 -0700, Christopher Stone wrote: Yea well, I dunno about you guys who run rawhide. But as an F-11 user, I am *very* glad I use KDE and the KDE SIG is giving me the latest and greatest to use.  I

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 11:29 +0200, Till Maas wrote: Is there something like python-fedora to create notifications within the portal? I don't have an answer to the above question, but I do have an answer about the future. The eventual goal is to use a AMQP message bus to pass this kind of

Re: 'IT Security' in comps?

2009-08-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: I considered IT might be redundant information, too, when I created the groups, but also both the terms Forensics or Wireless are not IT specific, therefore I put the IT-security explanation into the description. There can be wireless analysis that is

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jesse Keating (jkeat...@redhat.com) said: Ralf, this entire service is informational only. Maintainers don't need to do anything with this information, particularly if it isn't being filed as bugs and only provided on a webpage. They can simply ignore the information or even pretend that

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread José Matos
On Friday 07 August 2009 14:05:25 Thomas Janssen wrote: And back to the topic, afaik the KDE 4.3 packages have indeed been tested (via kde-redhat/testing etc) before being thrown on the f10 f11 users. Indeed. Even the RCs up to 4.2.98 have been tested via the kde-redhat repo, bugs filed

Re: F11: Bug in sh-4.0 source build-in command

2009-08-07 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno lun, 03/08/2009 alle 20.55 +0200, Michal Schmidt ha scritto: Not a bug. You're running bash in POSIX mode (probably you ran sh). In POSIX mode the current directory is not searched by the source command. This is documented in the manpage. IMHO, this is a Bug. source: usage: source

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 08/06/2009 10:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: so if a package does get an 'adventurous' update then hits a security bug, there's no way to have a separate update without the adventurous change but with the security bug fixed so, two separate issues: one is making the updates, the other is

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 08/06/2009 08:57 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote: Just a thought, but could that SIG just enforce a critical path- like workflow (with overrides from the security team) on FN-2? They would have to be willing to do the QA, talk with SIGs and maintainers, and be large enough to be able to do so.

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 07:38 -0700, Christopher Stone wrote: I don't draw the line, the maintainers of each package draw their own line. I just sit back and comfortably sip on my mai tai while the people who know best make the proper decisions. But you obviously have a personal line

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 07:38 -0700, Christopher Stone wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Jesse Keatingjkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 17:47 -0700, Christopher Stone wrote: Yea well, I dunno about you guys who run rawhide. But as an F-11 user, I am *very* glad I use KDE

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Jesse Keating wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 07:38 -0700, Christopher Stone wrote: I don't draw the line, the maintainers of each package draw their own line. I just sit back and comfortably sip on my mai tai while the people who know best make the proper decisions. But you obviously have a

Re: F11: Bug in sh-4.0 source build-in command

2009-08-07 Thread Andreas Schwab
Dario Lesca d.le...@solinos.it writes: Il giorno lun, 03/08/2009 alle 20.55 +0200, Michal Schmidt ha scritto: Not a bug. You're running bash in POSIX mode (probably you ran sh). In POSIX mode the current directory is not searched by the source command. This is documented in the manpage.

Re: F11: Bug in sh-4.0 source build-in command

2009-08-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
Dario Lesca wrote: Il giorno lun, 03/08/2009 alle 20.55 +0200, Michal Schmidt ha scritto: Not a bug. You're running bash in POSIX mode (probably you ran sh). In POSIX mode the current directory is not searched by the source command. This is documented in the manpage. IMHO, this is a Bug.

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 11:05 -0500, Matthew Woehlke wrote: For me, that's easy. I don't want updates that the packagers don't consider stable. It sure sounds to me like Christopher feels the same way. I am willing to take the latest upstream builds because the maintainer considers them

Fit and Finish, round three: peripherals

2009-08-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hi all, time for another 'Fit and Finish' test day. This time, we want to look at issues and use cases surrounding anything you can plug into your computer, be it a camera, a phone, a usb stick, or whatever gizmos you have at home... Join us in #fedora-fit-and-finish on Freenode, on Aug 11

Re: F11: Bug in sh-4.0 source build-in command

2009-08-07 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno ven, 07/08/2009 alle 18.14 +0200, Andreas Schwab ha scritto: due to concerns about introducing the susceptibility to trojan horses Ok. It's not a Bug. Thanks for reply to all. -- Dario Lesca d.le...@solinos.it -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Jesse Keating wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 11:05 -0500, Matthew Woehlke wrote: For me, that's easy. I don't want updates that the packagers don't consider stable. It sure sounds to me like Christopher feels the same way. I am willing to take the latest upstream builds because the maintainer

Re: Fit and Finish, round three: peripherals

2009-08-07 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 08/07/2009 12:53 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: a camera, a phone, a usb stick, or whatever gizmos you have at home... Real plastic and metal plugs only, or bluetooth connections as well? -Bill -- Bill McGonigle, Owner BFC Computing, LLC http://bfccomputing.com/ Email, IM, VOIP:

Re: Fit and Finish, round three: peripherals

2009-08-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:34 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 08/07/2009 12:53 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: a camera, a phone, a usb stick, or whatever gizmos you have at home... Real plastic and metal plugs only, or bluetooth connections as well? Bluetooth is definitively in scope. --

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Jesse Keating
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 12:21 -0500, Matthew Woehlke wrote: If that put an end to stuff like 'sorry, that last glibc rpm bricks your system if you have the misfortune of installing it'... maybe. As I said, right now my line is packages that the maintainers consider stable. If rawhide became

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 10:43 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: Well with the no frozen rawhide proposal, from the Alpha freeze point on there would be such an updates-testing for the pending release, while rawhide remains the wild west. You could say install F12, then at F13 Alpha jump onto F13

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Jesse Keating wrote: Well with the no frozen rawhide proposal, from the Alpha freeze point on there would be such an updates-testing for the pending release, while rawhide remains the wild west. You could say install F12, then at F13 Alpha jump onto F13 and have the much newer more often

FESCo meeting summary for 20090807

2009-08-07 Thread Jon Stanley
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-08-07/fedora-meeting.2009-08-07-17.00.html Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-08-07/fedora-meeting.2009-08-07-17.00.txt Log:

Firefox SELinux bug from Alpha Blockers meeting.

2009-08-07 Thread Adam Miller
Today in our F12Alpha Blocker meeting we discussed the status of the Firefox SELinux bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=512845 And we were hoping to get in contact with caillon, stransky, jhorak for more information on the bug as well as send this to the developer list in order to

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Till Maas
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 09:33:06PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: Would it be ok, to do this and allow maintainers to add there package to a black list, so that no bugs will be filed or should it continue to be opt-in? Then the packags will still be checked, but only reported by other, non intrusive

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 10:56:10AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: - BZ seems the wrong place. It's the only push mechanism we have other than raw e-mail, though. Pushing messages to maintainers is not the only necessary feature. The maintainers also need to be able to easily coordinate who

Re: non root X

2009-08-07 Thread Casey Dahlin
On 08/06/2009 01:26 AM, Dave Airlie wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 15:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi A few days back I ran into http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2009-July/001293.html I am wondering, since we are already using KMS in most places in Fedora, how far are we from

Re: rt2860 driver (fc11)

2009-08-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 15:20 -0400, Kyle McMartin wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 08:15:59PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: I had the same confusion. So there are 3 drivers around: The vendor driver, the staging driver which is a fork of the vendor driver and the serialmonkey driver.

Re: NetworkManager-novellvpn

2009-08-07 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 11:11 -0300, Murilo Opsfelder Araujo wrote: Hi, I'd like to know if there is any plan about including NetworkManager-novellvpn [1] in Fedora. Or if there is a GUI alternative to this package. [1] http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/18321.html Thanks in

Re: Firefox SELinux bug from Alpha Blockers meeting.

2009-08-07 Thread Bill McGonigle
On 08/07/2009 03:40 PM, Adam Miller wrote: to get any outside feedback that others might have on the topic of this being a F12Alpha Blocker. it's a restricted-access bug. -Bill -- Bill McGonigle, Owner BFC Computing, LLC http://bfccomputing.com/ Email, IM, VOIP: b...@bfccomputing.com

tcl / tk without threads??!!

2009-08-07 Thread Paulo Cavalcanti
Can someone explain why tcl/tk is compiled using: %configure --disable-threads This breaks some python programs, which use threads and Tk, with the following error: Unhandled exception in thread started by function updateClock at 0x7fb431cc28c0 Traceback (most recent call last): File

Re: non root X

2009-08-07 Thread Dave Airlie
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:42 -0400, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 08/06/2009 01:26 AM, Dave Airlie wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 15:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi A few days back I ran into http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2009-July/001293.html I am wondering, since we are

Re: tcl / tk without threads??!!

2009-08-07 Thread Paulo Cavalcanti
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone explain why tcl/tk is compiled using: %configure --disable-threads This breaks some python programs, which use threads and Tk, with the following error: Unhandled exception in thread started by function

Re: tcl / tk without threads??!!

2009-08-07 Thread Paulo Cavalcanti
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone explain why tcl/tk is compiled using: %configure --disable-threads This breaks some python programs, which use threads and Tk,

Re: tcl / tk without threads??!!

2009-08-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 19:12 -0300, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: Can

Re: tcl / tk without threads??!!

2009-08-07 Thread John5342
2009/8/7 Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com: Can someone explain why tcl/tk is compiled using: %configure --disable-threads A search through the spec file links back to this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443246 -- There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who

Re: Fit and Finish, round three: peripherals

2009-08-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:42 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:34 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 08/07/2009 12:53 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: a camera, a phone, a usb stick, or whatever gizmos you have at home... Real plastic and metal plugs only, or bluetooth

possible to file bug to change 32-bit DVD arch name from i386 to i686?

2009-08-07 Thread Andre Robatino
The names of the 32-bit Live CDs already use i686, consistent with the minimum required arch. But the 32-bit DVD still uses i386, despite the fact that not only has i586 been required for years, but with the i586 package rebuild, there aren't even any i386 packages on the DVD anymore. Now i686

Re: possible to file bug to change 32-bit DVD arch name from i386 to i686?

2009-08-07 Thread Andre Robatino
And the 32-bit CD sets, too - I forgot about those. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: possible to file bug to change 32-bit DVD arch name from i386 to i686?

2009-08-07 Thread Ben Boeckel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andre Robatino wrote: The names of the 32-bit Live CDs already use i686, consistent with the minimum required arch. But the 32-bit DVD still uses i386, despite the fact that not only has i586 been required for years, but with the i586 package

Re: Fit and Finish, round three: peripherals

2009-08-07 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 15:52 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:42 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 13:34 -0400, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 08/07/2009 12:53 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: a camera, a phone, a usb stick, or whatever gizmos you have at

Fedora 12 Alpha Blocker Bug Meeting #4

2009-08-07 Thread John Poelstra
Thanks to everyone who came and participated. Another successful blocker review meeting was had today. A reminder that at the Release Engineering meeting on Monday at 1800UTC (2PM EDT, 11AM PDT) on #fedora-meeting, another review of the Fedora 12 Alpha blocker will be performed to see if we

Re: tcl / tk without threads??!!

2009-08-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 23:07 -0300, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: Has someone tested eggdrop with a recent version of tcl compiled with threads? Maybe the problem has gone. I tested with Ubuntu and it worked. Therefore, they should be using threads in tcl. I posted a reply with a link to a

Re: Fit and Finish, round three: peripherals

2009-08-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 02:07 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: Apart from the USB video cards, if you have any of those, feel free to come around. I have modems, 3G modems, mice, headsets, webcams, phones running any one of a dozen different operating systems, mp3 players, Wiimotes, and a

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/07/2009 04:19 PM, Matěj Cepl wrote: Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de writes: On 08/06/2009 09:12 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: Do you expect people to continue a review even when you'd have to decide against the best of your knowledge and conciousness? Actually, yes, I do. Your job is not to

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jesse Keating wrote: We're providing a bunch of packages, that certain groups use to make a variety of operating systems. If you want to develop a tool and expect that it'll keep working on any given release without aggressive changes underneath, pick the Fedora Desktop operating system. If

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: It seems to happen rather a lot for that to be the case, though maybe the situation I'm most familiar with (KDE 4.0 - 4.1 - 4.2) is an unusual situation. I was watching KDE quite closely in MDV at that point, as quite a lot of features that people expected from 3.x were

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 05:51 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: IMHO, the proper way is to express opinion, and even when disagreement happens, approve review == switch off your brains, morals, knowledge Pardon, but you don't want how disgusting I find this logic of yours. If you're invoking

Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rahul Sundaram wrote: As already explained, stable in the sense of things that work the same (No big UI changes etc). When did we push *big* UI changes in a KDE update? We're even making sure the default Plasma theme in F10 and F11 stays Oxygen rather than switching to Air which is the new

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: Er, the _topic_ of this thread is Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal. The email doesn't say anything about 'if you fix this stuff before the meeting it'll be fine' (though that may be the actual case), and the amount of notice given is a princely two days, which

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: Which leads to the absurdity we have here, the suggestion that the GNOME 2.28 'feature' should be 'dropped' for Fedora 12 (does anyone really think we're going to ship it with GNOME 2.26?) Don't worry, we all voted against dropping that feature. Kevin Kofler

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: A good example of the weirdness here - we're declaring KDE 4.3 a 'Fedora 12 feature' (implying it's something sufficiently potentially problematic that it needs a specific test plan and contingency plan), yet backporting it to Fedora 10 as an official update meets with

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ralf Corsepius wrote: lack of maintainer skills (e.g. running the autotools), You are insulting maintainers for having a different opinion, or even just practical reasons you may not even know about for having to autoreconf a program. This is not acceptable. Are you claiming KDE SIG is

[Issue 104050] Apostrophes are not printed when using font 'Gentium' (wrong PS export)

2009-08-07 Thread nmailhot
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=104050 User nmailhot changed the following: What|Old value |New value

Re: RFR: Hosting for Beacon (DocBook Editor) Testing

2009-08-07 Thread Mike McGrath
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, satya komaragiri wrote: Ticket filed at: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1580 ==Project Sponsor== Name: Komaragiri Satya Fedora Account Name: satyak Group: Google Summer of Code 2008 Infrastructure Sponsor: None yet. ==Secondary Contact info==

Re: RFR: Hosting for Beacon (DocBook Editor) Testing

2009-08-07 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 08/07/2009 08:23 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, satya komaragiri wrote: K, so this is for the zikula deployment. Go ahead and apply for sysadmin-test and we'll get this all taken care of. smooge, ricky or toshio, if I'm not around would one of you mind helping answer

Re: Bugzilla bot account / Fedora mail alias

2009-08-07 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:51:41AM -0500, matt_dom...@dell.com wrote: My FTBFS bugzilla account is in the 'editbugs' group in bugzilla so it can set the blocked/dependson lists. That may also be necessary to change them to ASSIGNED. You have to first file the bug as NEW, then modify it to be

Re: What are Microsoft codecs?

2009-08-07 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 05:50 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: snip long comment/question Please read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines (specifically the part about repetitive posting) Also, please keep questions on-topic. For your style of comment/question it may

Re: What are Microsoft codecs?

2009-08-07 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)
On 07/08/09 01:38, Ed Greshko wrote: --snip-- Frankly, Someone Call? Well it's close enough :D -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines

Re: What are Microsoft codecs?

2009-08-07 Thread Frank Murphy (Frankly3D)
On 07/08/09 06:53, gil...@altern.org wrote: --snip-- (1) Many thanks to Frank Murphy for a few helpful lines on the matter. This said, I hope we can go on with determining if windows media codecs aren't, just as doc and xls formats, anything but a marketing scam. Windows media codecs,

Re: Really OT: Shuttleworth tries to deal with Debian

2009-08-07 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Hi, in order to REALLY point out the truth, replace ISV by proprietary software publishers. On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 06:20:00AM +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: Today, if I'm an upstream developer, say the Mozilla Foundation with Firefox, I have to work hard to make sure my application will work

Re: scripting doubts

2009-08-07 Thread Arthur Meeks Meeks
2009/8/6 Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au On 05Aug2009 09:52, Arthur Meeks Meeks arthur.meeks.lu...@gmail.com wrote: | 2009/8/5 Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au | On 04Aug2009 20:04, Arthur Meeks Meeks arthur.meeks.lu...@gmail.com | wrote: | | What's the problem? When I can't log into a

Re: auto-updates

2009-08-07 Thread Richard Hughes
2009/8/4 Stuart McGraw smcg4...@frii.com: * What it is downloading? * What is the total size of the downloads? * How much is done, how much remains? * How to pause it so I can get my email? * How do I turn off auto-updates permanently?  (In System-Prefs-Software Updates I had set  Check for

Re: What are Microsoft codecs?

2009-08-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Thu, 8/6/09, gil...@altern.org gil...@altern.org wrote: From: gil...@altern.org gil...@altern.org Subject: Re: What are Microsoft codecs? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:53 PM Antonio

Re: F10 SElinux issues

2009-08-07 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 08/04/2009 11:11 AM, Steve wrote: Daniel, Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com wrote: On 08/03/2009 10:50 AM, Steve Blackwell wrote: Ever since I upgraded from F9 to F10 when F9 went EOL I've been having lots of SElinux warnings. Here's one. I get at seemingly random times, ie not

Re: Two USB ports dissappeared...

2009-08-07 Thread Steven P. Ulrick
On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 15:58 -0500, Steven P. Ulrick wrote: P.S.: Is the wrapping on the message I sent messed up? If it is I'd like to know so I can fix it somehow. I am using the KMail component inside of Kontact that is the current version in Fedora 11. There is one quite noticeable

force modifier keys off?

2009-08-07 Thread Tom Horsley
My system just became convinced that the control and shift modifier keys were pressed all the time (don't ask me how it got in this state). I finally just rebooted to set everything back to normal. Is there any handy utility I can use to tell the X server: Trust me, there are no modifier keys

Re: Are you being heard?

2009-08-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 07 August 2009 01:36:19 Antonio Olivares wrote: Since this thread is receiving lots of replies. Here's mine. I am a loyal KDE/Gnome user. I use both. I don't really prefer one over the other except when one does not work, that is the case on one machine I have at home. Gnome

Re: force modifier keys off?

2009-08-07 Thread Chris Tyler
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 08:25 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: My system just became convinced that the control and shift modifier keys were pressed all the time (don't ask me how it got in this state). I finally just rebooted to set everything back to normal. Is there any handy utility I can use to

Re: auto-updates

2009-08-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Tuesday 04 August 2009 18:30:36 Stuart McGraw wrote: I just installed Fedora 11 on my new pc. Shortly thereafter I was presented with a pop-up box that said 28 security updates were available. I (foolishly as it turned out) clicked the update button. My internet connection is a modem

How to configure heartbeat in gw1 and gw2 [Erro Start heartbeat]

2009-08-07 Thread Tiago Araujo
Dear, I am configuring heartbeat, but not start service. *Erro starting service:* logd is already running Starting High-Availability services: cat: /etc/ha.d/haresources: No such file or directory Heartbeat failure [rc=6]. Failed. heartbeat: udpport setting must precede media

Re: Interrpreting modifier codes in /etc/inputrc ?? -- [SOLVED]

2009-08-07 Thread William Case
Hi; I solved all my readline problems in .bashrc with export INPUTRC='/etc/inputrc'. Before I feel too sheepish ... On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 13:13 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; I have the following codes in my readline inputrc: # for linux console and RH/Debian xterm \e[1~:

Re: auto-updates

2009-08-07 Thread stan
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:58:32 -0600 Stuart McGraw smcg4...@frii.com wrote: I take the lack of responses to my questions about the software updater as being no. Am I the only one bothered by this Microsoftification (no status info, no control, no documentation, you users just sit back, be

Re: auto-updates

2009-08-07 Thread Anne Wilson
On Friday 07 August 2009 14:43:59 stan wrote: On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:58:32 -0600 Stuart McGraw smcg4...@frii.com wrote: I take the lack of responses to my questions about the software updater as being no. Am I the only one bothered by this Microsoftification (no status info, no control,

Re: auto-updates

2009-08-07 Thread stan
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:58:32 -0600 Stuart McGraw smcg4...@frii.com wrote: I take the lack of responses to my questions about the software updater as being no. Am I the only one bothered by this Microsoftification (no status info, no control, no documentation, you users just sit back, be

Re: auto-updates

2009-08-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:43:59 -0700 stan wrote: We voted with our feet. I turn packagekit off immediately, and do updates using yum directly from the command line. I have scripts that Me too. I just wish I could turn off packagekit before I ever login so it doesn't lock up the update process

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