Re: how to cancel (stop) the build task which has strange state

2009-11-24 Thread Mike McLean
On 11/24/2009 01:19 AM, peng chen wrote: hello, fedora-buildsys-list: I encounter with several strange build tasks, which build state is building,but task state is failed. resultly, these build tasks are always in the building state. I run command koji cancel ,but failed to cancel it ,it's

Weird problem building zsh in local mock but not in koji

2009-11-24 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
I'm having a problem building the current zsh srpm (zsh-4.3.10-4.fc13.src.rpm) on my local builder, which runs F11-x86_64 and has mock-0.9.18-1.fc11.noarch. On IRC, a user reported the same problem, only his builder runs CentOS 5.4 and has mock-0.9.14-2.el5.noarch. Surprisingly, the same srpm

Re: Weird problem building zsh in local mock but not in koji

2009-11-24 Thread Roland McGrath
That is job control weirdness. Something about the state of tty magic is different in the two different contexts where you run the test. The things to look at are whether the tests are using a temporary pty and what 'ps j' says about all the processes involved in the build/test (including mock

Re: Weird problem building zsh in local mock but not in koji

2009-11-24 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
RM == Roland McGrath rol...@redhat.com writes: RM That is job control weirdness. Something about the state of tty RM magic is different in the two different contexts where you run the RM test. Unfortunately that level of magic is mostly beyond me. RM The things to look at are whether the

Re: Weird problem building zsh in local mock but not in koji

2009-11-24 Thread Roland McGrath
Unfortunately that level of magic is mostly beyond me. That's OK. We can translate for you. RM The things to look at are whether the tests are using a RM temporary pty I do not really know how to determine that. The TTY column in ps is a start. However, it simplifies things to know

Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Andrea Musuruane
Hi all, some Fedora users just pointed me out that the x86 DVD image names are not accurate. The install DVD is called Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso while the live DVD is called Fedora-12-i686-Live.iso. Please note the i386 text in the install DVD file name. This is creating some confusion among

Re: Kernel-2.6.31.6-134 seems to have a bug on R600 DRM

2009-11-24 Thread Andreas Tunek
2009/11/23 Otto Haliburton ottohalibur...@tx.rr.com: - Original Message - From: Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora fedora-devel-list@redhat.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Kernel-2.6.31.6-134 seems to have a bug

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Felix Kaechele
Am 23.11.2009 22:50, schrieb Adam Williamson: He already said that he had talked to his upstreams and they had said they would not adjust their code. In that case, he really has done everything he possibly can in his position as maintainer, and sending him further nag emails is achieving nothing

rawhide report: 20091124 changes

2009-11-24 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue Nov 24 08:15:09 UTC 2009 New package erlang-erlsom Support for XML Schema in Erlang New package libcue Cue sheet parser library New package libunistring GNU Unicode string library New package pidgin-sipe Pidgin plugin for connecting to MS

heads-up: Oracle db-4.8.24 in rawhide

2009-11-24 Thread Jindrich Novy
Hi, this is a short announce that there is a new db4 in rawhide for a while now. Please modify your package accordingly and consider rebuild. Older db-4.7.25 is now moved to compat-db so no broken dependencies should occur. If your package uses the /usr/bin/db* utilities please consider immediate

review swaps

2009-11-24 Thread Adam Goode
I have a couple of imaging-related packages, I'm happy to swap reviews for them: jai-imageio-core - Core Java Advanced Imaging Image I/O Tools API https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=536944 This is a plugin for Java that enables support for BMP, GIF, PCX, PNM, Raw (not digital camera

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 24 novembre 2009 14:17, Felix Kaechele a écrit : Am 23.11.2009 22:50, schrieb Adam Williamson: He already said that he had talked to his upstreams and they had said they would not adjust their code. In that case, he really has done everything he possibly can in his position as

Re: PackageKit policy: background and plans

2009-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 19:01 -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: This is precisely the dialog that has been removed from F12 and is not planned to be returned. My understanding was that this was removed because

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net said: To repeat myself once again, core fonts are not free, they have a maintenance cost, What is the real maintenance cost? You have said that core fonts are not going away, so the maintenance cost will not go away. How is

Re: livecds in the future

2009-11-24 Thread Simon Andrews
Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 11/24/2009 02:21 AM, Ben Williams wrote: If release engineering would like to release liveusb.iso for people to use to install or just to look at the new features, that is fine But from the #fedora channel the # of people installing off of the livecd images are very

Re: livecds in the future

2009-11-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/24/2009 08:35 PM, Simon Andrews wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 11/24/2009 02:21 AM, Ben Williams wrote: If release engineering would like to release liveusb.iso for people to use to install or just to look at the new features, that is fine But from the #fedora channel the # of people

Re: PackageKit policy: background and plans

2009-11-24 Thread James Antill
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 22:32 +, Colin Walters wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:02 PM, James Morris jmor...@namei.org wrote: Possibly (it could simply be that an updated policy is weaker for some reason) -- but it doesn't matter, there should be no way to change MAC policy without

Re: PackageKit policy: background and plans

2009-11-24 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, James Antill wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 22:32 +, Colin Walters wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:02 PM, James Morris jmor...@namei.org wrote: Possibly (it could simply be that an updated policy is weaker for some reason) -- but it doesn't matter, there should be

Re: PackageKit policy: background and plans

2009-11-24 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Tuesday, 24 November 2009 at 16:24, James Antill wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 22:32 +, Colin Walters wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:02 PM, James Morris jmor...@namei.org wrote: Possibly (it could simply be that an updated policy is weaker for some reason) -- but it doesn't

Re: Kernel-2.6.31.6-134 seems to have a bug on R600 DRM

2009-11-24 Thread Liang Suilong
Thanks, everyone. I update to kernel-2.6.31.6-148, compiz and gnome-shell return to normal. I think that I should write a post after searching the FP wiki for radeon and KMS, Liang -- urlhttp://www.liangsuilong.info/url Fight for freedom(3F) Ask not what your Linux distro can do for you!

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Jochen Schmitt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 24.11.2009 16:00, schrieb Chris Adams: What is the real maintenance cost? You have said that core fonts are not going away, so the maintenance cost will not go away. How is badgering other maintainers a good thing? If you don't want to

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 24 novembre 2009 16:00, Chris Adams a écrit : Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net said: To repeat myself once again, core fonts are not free, they have a maintenance cost, What is the real maintenance cost? You have said that core fonts are not going

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net said: Le Mar 24 novembre 2009 16:00, Chris Adams a écrit : Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net said: To repeat myself once again, core fonts are not free, they have a maintenance cost, What is the

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Jeremy Sanders
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: The costs could go down to nothing if there was no core font user left in Fedora Surely some are required for external legacy applications (including free software and propitiatory applications)? Even logging into a remote old linux system will require the old font

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 16:59 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mar 24 novembre 2009 16:00, Chris Adams a écrit : What is the real maintenance cost? You have said that core fonts are not going away, so the maintenance cost will not go away. The costs could go down to nothing if there

Re: abrt and bugzilla

2009-11-24 Thread Roman Rakus
On 11/20/2009 01:06 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: snip 1-4 are more RFEs for bugzilla, but I'll try to elaborate here and start some discussion: 1. Can Fedora enable anonymous/unauthenticated bug submission. We're thinking about this, but it can be flood the BZ, so the solution might be, that

F12 install stops at screen switch (language select)

2009-11-24 Thread Jos Vos
Hi, I had the crazy idea to try F12 again on an IBM system (SurePOS 565, specific Point-of-Sale hardware, with 82915G/GV/910GL), on which RHEL4 was the last RHEL/Fedora version I could install without problems (see also https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=339361 for some comments about

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 06:10:59PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 19:38 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: How that translates in packages and defaults is not really the most important part, but the plan is to have strict package defaults + a policy package that makes

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:38:49 +0100 Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, some Fedora users just pointed me out that the x86 DVD image names are not accurate. The install DVD is called Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso while the live DVD is called Fedora-12-i686-Live.iso. Please note the

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 10:38 +0100, Andrea Musuruane wrote: Hi all, some Fedora users just pointed me out that the x86 DVD image names are not accurate. The install DVD is called Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso while the live DVD is called Fedora-12-i686-Live.iso. Please note the i386 text in the

PolicyKit and syslog

2009-11-24 Thread Matthew Miller
One of the important features of sudo is its ability to log elevated-access actions to syslog. Userhelper similarly logs actions, like so: userhelper[26491]: running '/usr/share/system-config-users/system-config-users ' with root privileges on behalf of 'mattdm'. PolicyKit serves a similar

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 24 novembre 2009 17:01, Chris Adams a écrit : That's not an answer. What is the real maintenance cost? I already explained yesterday : there are rotting Fedora Core packages to merge review, packaging guidelines to write to define how they are supposed to be cleaned up, a huge pile of

Re: PolicyKit and syslog

2009-11-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 11:26 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: One of the important features of sudo is its ability to log elevated-access actions to syslog. Userhelper similarly logs actions, like so: userhelper[26491]: running '/usr/share/system-config-users/system-config-users ' with root

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 24 novembre 2009 17:06, Jeremy Sanders a écrit : Nicolas Mailhot wrote: The costs could go down to nothing if there was no core font user left in Fedora Surely some are required for external legacy applications (including free software and propitiatory applications)? If no one

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 24 novembre 2009 17:09, Jussi Lehtola a écrit : uestions on the internet. Instead of ranting about legacy fonts that have been used for decades, you can direct your energy towards something useful: making sure that new fonts that are compatible with modern font handling systems are

KDE-SIG weekly report (48/2009)

2009-11-24 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
This is a report of the weekly KDE-SIG-Meeting with a summary of the topics that were discussed. If you want to add a comment please reply to this email or add it to the related meeting page. -- = Weekly KDE

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net said: Le Mar 24 novembre 2009 17:01, Chris Adams a écrit : That's not an answer. What is the real maintenance cost? I already explained yesterday : there are rotting Fedora Core packages to merge review, packaging guidelines to

Re: PolicyKit and syslog

2009-11-24 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Matthew Miller wrote: One of the important features of sudo is its ability to log elevated-access actions to syslog. Userhelper similarly logs actions, like so: userhelper[26491]: running '/usr/share/system-config-users/system-config-users ' with root privileges on

Re: PolicyKit and syslog

2009-11-24 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 11:26 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: One of the important features of sudo is its ability to log elevated-access actions to syslog. Userhelper similarly logs actions, like so: userhelper[26491]: running

Re: PolicyKit and syslog

2009-11-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 11:48 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: when the policies are updated it is policy kit that has to be involved. polkitd is running, at least. That might be ok to log, indeed. polkitd need not be running, though. It is activated as needed. It would make sense for polkitd to

Bug triage: further change upcoming

2009-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi, guys. Just a quick note - Matej Cepl pointed out that the already-agreed BugZappers plan to switch to using the Triaged keyword only for Fedora 13 and later presents problems. Most significantly, it's impossible to reliably construct a Bugzilla search which will find bugs that have been

Re: PolicyKit and syslog

2009-11-24 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 11:48 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: when the policies are updated it is policy kit that has to be involved. polkitd is running, at least. That might be ok to log, indeed. polkitd need not be running, though. It is activated

Re: Bug triage: further change upcoming

2009-11-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/24/2009 10:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, guys. Just a quick note - Matej Cepl pointed out that the already-agreed BugZappers plan to switch to using the Triaged keyword only for Fedora 13 and later presents problems. Most significantly, it's impossible to reliably construct a

Hide the kittens and the babies, a message from your friendly KDE-SIG

2009-11-24 Thread Steven M. Parrish
For those brave souls still running or trying to run rawhide just wanted to let you know that KDE is broken. As we speak most Qt based apps will just crash with a message about a missing symbol. To top that we are also preparing for KDE 4.4 beta 1; so don't expect a quick resolution, in fact

Re: Bug triage: further change upcoming

2009-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 22:35 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 11/24/2009 10:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Hi, guys. Just a quick note - Matej Cepl pointed out that the already-agreed BugZappers plan to switch to using the Triaged keyword only for Fedora 13 and later presents problems. Most

Re: PolicyKit and syslog

2009-11-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:35:13AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: PolicyKit itself is not running anything. It is just answering the question of a mechanism: 'is X allowed to do foo ?'. It would make more sense for the mechanisms that use PolicyKit to log privileged actions that they do or deny

Re: PolicyKit and syslog

2009-11-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:47:03AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: I'd recommend filing this as a bug. I definitely will -- I just want to get some feedback first. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org http://mattdm.org/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: PackageKit policy: background and plans

2009-11-24 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 10:27 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, James Antill wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 22:32 +, Colin Walters wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:02 PM, James Morris jmor...@namei.org wrote: Possibly (it could simply be that an updated policy is weaker

Re: PolicyKit and syslog

2009-11-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 12:29 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: 1. In fact, a PAM-backed authority for PolicyKit might be interesting and useful -- but there's a tangent. What do you think PolicyKit is using for authentication ? See

Re: F12 install stops at screen switch (language select)

2009-11-24 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/24/2009 04:17 PM, Jos Vos wrote: Hi, I had the crazy idea to try F12 again on an IBM system (SurePOS 565, specific Point-of-Sale hardware, with 82915G/GV/910GL), on which RHEL4 was the last RHEL/Fedora version I could install without problems (see also

tangent: PolicyKit and PAM

2009-11-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:44:00PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: 1. In fact, a PAM-backed authority for PolicyKit might be interesting and useful -- but there's a tangent. What do you think PolicyKit is using for authentication ? See

Re: F12 install stops at screen switch (language select)

2009-11-24 Thread Jos Vos
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 06:00:20PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Try adding the kernel parameters nomodeset and xdriver=vesa or xdriver=intel and vga=ask and select any of the 24 bit values offered.. If install is successful then boot into run level 3 and run Xorg -configure and adapt

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Sir Gallantmon
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 10:38 +0100, Andrea Musuruane wrote: Hi all, some Fedora users just pointed me out that the x86 DVD image names are not accurate. The install DVD is called Fedora-12-i386-DVD.iso while

Re: livecds in the future

2009-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 20:47 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: We are not discarding CD images all together. If you feel there is a compelling reason to continue with a Live CD, I am afraid you will have to step up and do it. The tools are easy enough to learn and I am willing to help you or

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
I don't want to ship a desktop that doesn't let the user do useful things. And you can ship a desktop SPIN that way. But the base pkgs should not install with an insecure set of choices. if you want the spin to have a post-scriptlet which allows more things, then that's the choice of the

Re: livecds in the future

2009-11-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/24/2009 11:57 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 20:47 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: We are not discarding CD images all together. If you feel there is a compelling reason to continue with a Live CD, I am afraid you will have to step up and do it. The tools are easy

Re: F12 install stops at screen switch (language select)

2009-11-24 Thread Jos Vos
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 06:00:20PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Try adding the kernel parameters nomodeset and xdriver=vesa or xdriver=intel and vga=ask and select any of the 24 bit values offered.. If install is successful then boot into run level 3 and run Xorg -configure and adapt

Re: tangent: PolicyKit and PAM

2009-11-24 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 13:18 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: Like I said, this is a tangent, and I'm certainly not expecting anyone to work on this. But it'd be cool if they did. Just as everybody else is struggling to get away from pam's awful apis...I don't think this would be a step forward;

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Gregory Maxwell (gmaxw...@gmail.com) said: If some some spin decided to make every user run as root, ship with no firewalling, have password-less accounts, or have insecure services enabled by default, etc. You mean Sugar as configured on the XO? (It has passwordless user, who can su without

Re: F12 install stops at screen switch (language select)

2009-11-24 Thread Chris Lumens
BTW it looks like the nomodeset parameter is missing in the list of boot options at these two places: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Options That's because it's not an anaconda option. - Chris -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Re: livecds in the future

2009-11-24 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Ben Williams wrote: (yes i know the size sux, but not everyone has highspeed internet thats why they are downloading the livecd and not the dvd) Another interpretation would be: The contents of the DVD does not satisfy the needs of many people. I am in that

Re: abrt and bugzilla

2009-11-24 Thread Jan Klepek
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 17:13 +0100, Roman Rakus wrote: On 11/20/2009 01:06 PM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: snip 1-4 are more RFEs for bugzilla, but I'll try to elaborate here and start some discussion: 1. Can Fedora enable anonymous/unauthenticated bug submission. We're thinking about

Re: tangent: PolicyKit and PAM

2009-11-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 01:27:40PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: Like I said, this is a tangent, and I'm certainly not expecting anyone to work on this. But it'd be cool if they did. Just as everybody else is struggling to get away from pam's awful apis...I don't think this would be a step

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 13:28 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: I don't want to ship a desktop that doesn't let the user do useful things. And you can ship a desktop SPIN that way. But the base pkgs should not install with an insecure set of choices. if you want the spin to have a

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Bill Nottingham wrote: I don't want to ship a desktop that doesn't let the user do useful things. And you can ship a desktop SPIN that way. But the base pkgs should not install with an insecure set of choices. if you want the spin to have a post-scriptlet which allows

Re: F12 install stops at screen switch (language select)

2009-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 19:28 +0100, Jos Vos wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 06:00:20PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Try adding the kernel parameters nomodeset and xdriver=vesa or xdriver=intel and vga=ask and select any of the 24 bit values offered.. If install is successful then

Re: F12 install stops at screen switch (language select)

2009-11-24 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/24/2009 06:28 PM, Jos Vos wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 06:00:20PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Try adding the kernel parameters nomodeset and xdriver=vesa or xdriver=intel and vga=ask and select any of the 24 bit values offered.. If install is successful then boot into run

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/11/24 12:24 (GMT-0600) Sir Gallantmon composed: Why not label it x86_32 instead of i386? That is far less confusing and illustrates that it is 32-bit on the x86 architecture, since x86_64 says it is 64-bit on x86 architecture. +1 -- The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his

Re: tangent: PolicyKit and PAM

2009-11-24 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 01:27:40PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: Like I said, this is a tangent, and I'm certainly not expecting anyone to work on this. But it'd be cool if they did. Just as everybody else is struggling to get away from pam's awful

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 10:44 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: As I noted somewhat flippantly in another thread, this comes with the problem that, theoretically, a user who has the privileges to install packages at a relaxed security level could arbitrarily raise the security level of the system

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 12:24 -0600, Sir Gallantmon wrote: Why not label it x86_32 instead of i386? That is far less confusing and illustrates that it is 32-bit on the x86 architecture, since x86_64 says it is 64-bit on x86 architecture. Because that's not what uname says. Change that, and

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 10:54 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 12:24 -0600, Sir Gallantmon wrote: Why not label it x86_32 instead of i386? That is far less confusing and illustrates that it is 32-bit on the x86 architecture, since x86_64 says it is 64-bit on x86 architecture.

Re: abrt + X Error = zillions of duplicate bug reports?

2009-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 19:21 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: So, since I've already received 3 separate bug reports caused by BadIDChoice X Error in subtitleeditor [1][2][3] (haven't had enough time to debug and try to fix it yet though) by abrt, I wonder if there is any room for duplicity

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/25/2009 12:24 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 12:24 -0600, Sir Gallantmon wrote: Why not label it x86_32 instead of i386? That is far less confusing and illustrates that it is 32-bit on the x86 architecture, since x86_64 says it is 64-bit on x86 architecture. Because

Re: [RFA] Your [PACKAGE_NAME] did not pass QA

2009-11-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mardi 24 novembre 2009 à 10:44 -0600, Chris Adams a écrit : Once upon a time, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net said: Le Mar 24 novembre 2009 17:01, Chris Adams a écrit : That's not an answer. What is the real maintenance cost? I already explained yesterday : there are

Re: PackageKit policy: background and plans

2009-11-24 Thread Peter Jones
On 11/23/2009 07:01 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: This is precisely the dialog that has been removed from F12 and is not planned to be returned. My understanding was that this was removed because collecting the

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Andre Robatino
Adam Williamson wrote: it doesn't change the fact that, logically speaking, either the DVD or CD images is wrong. Or at least, less right. I can see no sustainable argument that they should be different. The same is true for the directory labels (i386/ for install images and i686/ for live

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/25/2009 12:56 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Should there be a RFE bug or rel-eng ticket created so this e-mail thread is not for nothing? It's been discussed since the beginning of time AFAIK. Tickets have been filed and closed before, IIRC. Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Andre Robatino
Michael Cronenworth wrote: Should there be a RFE bug or rel-eng ticket created so this e-mail thread is not for nothing? It's been discussed since the beginning of time AFAIK. There's already one: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/2476 which was closed as wontfix. signature.asc

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Andrea Musuruane
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: The base arch of the family is i386, just like we call the ppc spin ppc even though it only supports a subset of the ppc family, ditto sparc, arm, etc... Then why the Live DVD and the Install DVD have different names?

PolicyKit and syslog -- now bug #541040

2009-11-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:47:03AM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: I'd recommend filing this as a bug. Bug 541040 - Enable logging in PolicyKit (for policy changes and for authorizations.) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=541040 -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 20:38 +0100, Andrea Musuruane wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: The base arch of the family is i386, just like we call the ppc spin ppc even though it only supports a subset of the ppc family, ditto sparc, arm, etc...

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 01:29:11PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: You mean Sugar as configured on the XO? (It has passwordless user, who can su without a password.) Annnd if you set a root password, stuff breaks. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect

Re: Improve the way rpm decides what is newer

2009-11-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/21/2009 11:50 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: Given that Epoch can make an update go from a higher %{version} to a lower one (which even may be a completely normal scenario for upstream project splits), you can't avoid making Epoch the most-significant portion of RPM version comparison. One

Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images

2009-11-24 Thread Andre Robatino
Jesse Keating wrote: Yes, we may rename the Live images to i386. When they were first introduced, we had both an i586 and an i686 kernel in Fedora, and the Live images were only usable on i686, they had no i586. Now that we don't have i586 anymore, we can change the live image name to

Re: abrt + X Error = zillions of duplicate bug reports?

2009-11-24 Thread Yaakov Nemoy
2009/11/24 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com: snip Finally, we considered - and rather approved of - the proposal that's been floated on this list (and was floating in the meeting by Will Woods) to consider using the mechanism used by the kernel developers for kernel oopses: instead of being

Re: abrt and bugzilla

2009-11-24 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Jan Klepek jan.kle...@brandforge.sk wrote: What if package maintainer would need to followup on the issue? Last bug reported from abrt for subdownloader package was useless, there was not enough info that I could reproduce issue and I'm waiting if reporter

[RFC] unified i386/x86_64 install media.

2009-11-24 Thread Dennis Gilmore
I was thinking and thought id get an idea out there. rather than ship 2 dvds one for i386 and one for x86_64 we would ship one dvd that has the package set for both arches. they would likely only have the packages for a desktop install on them we would need to have both arches under 2.4GiB,

Re: [RFC] unified i386/x86_64 install media.

2009-11-24 Thread Casey Dahlin
On 11/24/2009 02:50 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: I was thinking and thought id get an idea out there. rather than ship 2 dvds one for i386 and one for x86_64 we would ship one dvd that has the package set for both arches. they would likely only have the packages for a desktop install on

Re: [RFC] unified i386/x86_64 install media.

2009-11-24 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
for me sounds a good idea On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: I was thinking and thought id get an idea out there. rather than ship 2 dvds one for i386 and one for x86_64  we would ship one dvd that has the package set for both arches.  they would likely

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Chris Ball (c...@laptop.org) said: If some some spin decided to make every user run as root, ship with no firewalling, have password-less accounts, or have insecure services enabled by default, etc. You mean Sugar as configured on the XO? (It has passwordless user, who

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 15:34 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Chris Ball (c...@laptop.org) said: If some some spin decided to make every user run as root, ship with no firewalling, have password-less accounts, or have insecure services enabled by default, etc. You mean

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: It's true, but note that the XO software is technically a Remix rather than a Spin, so there aren't any technical requirements on it to satisfy the use of the Fedora mark. (I think I'd agree with Greg's point regarding official Fedora

Re: PackageKit policy: background and plans

2009-11-24 Thread James Antill
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 14:22 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: On 11/23/2009 07:01 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: This is precisely the dialog that has been removed from F12 and is not planned to be returned. My

Re: [RFC] unified i386/x86_64 install media.

2009-11-24 Thread Sir Gallantmon
I dunno, that sounds like a bad idea because it relies on said internet connection. A unified x86_32 and x86_64 Live image is unlikely though, given that any efforts to make this possible have been scorned because of two things: saying that packages solve the arch problem (because any changes to

Re: livecds in the future

2009-11-24 Thread Sir Gallantmon
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Ben Williams wrote: (yes i know the size sux, but not everyone has highspeed internet thats why they are downloading the livecd and not the dvd) Another interpretation would be:

Re: PackageKit policy: background and plans

2009-11-24 Thread Peter Jones
On 11/24/2009 03:49 PM, James Antill wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 14:22 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: That reason isn't /quite/ right. One big problem is that if you train a user to input the root password over and over, what he learns is to type the root password into a dialog box. The result

Re: abrt + X Error = zillions of duplicate bug reports?

2009-11-24 Thread Peter Jones
On 11/24/2009 02:15 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: We came up with several possible courses of action. First, we acknowledge that abrt team is working on improving duplicate detection, but Matej noted that this is intrinsically hard work and abrt will likely never be able to eliminate or even

Re: livecds in the future

2009-11-24 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com said: Not that I actually believe in these systems that are i686 or newer and won't boot off of usb-storage devices, but if they were to exist, you wouldn't be able to do what you're saying on them. I have run into such systems unfortunately.

Re: abrt + X Error = zillions of duplicate bug reports?

2009-11-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 16:21 -0500, Peter Jones wrote: On 11/24/2009 02:15 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: We came up with several possible courses of action. First, we acknowledge that abrt team is working on improving duplicate detection, but Matej noted that this is intrinsically hard work

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