Fedora mailing list migration

2009-12-16 Thread Jon Stanley
Over the last several years, there has been some contention about having Fedora mailing lists hosted on Red Hat infrastructure. As previously announced[1], there was an effort to migrate the mailing lists onto Fedora infrastructure, however, due to a variety of factors, it has been very much

Omega (Boxer) Fedora Remix

2009-12-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi, Omega is a completely free and open source Linux based operating system and a Fedora remix suitable for desktop and laptop users. It is a installable Live image for regular PC (i686 architecture) systems. It has all the features of Fedora and number of additional software including multimedia

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Richard Hughes
2009/12/15 Colin Walters walt...@verbum.org: This exists?  Can you point me to the code? I only finished this just this morning. It's just been pushed to git master. You want to see this commit http://cgit.freedesktop.org/packagekit/commit/?id=66d3fc26054abd528ee18017d9c67edb6400f239 for the

Re: dist-git proof of concept phase 1 complete

2009-12-16 Thread Andreas Schwab
Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com writes: On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 13:33 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: My thinking is that we don't use origin/next or origin/maint either and both are common upstream in git and the kernel. While origin/master is common, origin/master isn't common, it's the

rawhide report: 20091216 changes

2009-12-16 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Wed Dec 16 08:15:08 UTC 2009 Broken deps for i386 -- 1:abiword-2.8.1-2.fc13.i686 requires libwv-1.2.so.3 anjal-0.1.0-1.fc13.i686 requires libevolution-mail-shared.so.0 anjal-0.1.0-1.fc13.i686

safe way to standby sata hdd?

2009-12-16 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, I've got a home database/symfony env/etc../file server. It's based on Intel D945GCLF2D Atom board. I've got a two hard drives WD Green Power connected through Sata. First drive has / and /home filesystem, second has /home/samba4. On the first drive there are two directories /home/samba2 and

yum-presto behaviour on arm

2009-12-16 Thread Andy Green
Hi - Is yum-presto known to work on arm? Today I changed our repo to use deltarpms and tested it out. I noticed... 1) On a package where I know the bulk of the unpacked data is some fonts inside an ELF executable that didn't change, the compression result was... not good Old RPM:

Re: yum-presto behaviour on arm

2009-12-16 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 14:06 +, Andy Green wrote: Hi - Is yum-presto known to work on arm? Today I changed our repo to use deltarpms and tested it out. I noticed... 1) On a package where I know the bulk of the unpacked data is some fonts inside an ELF executable that didn't change,

Re: yum-presto behaviour on arm

2009-12-16 Thread Andy Green
On 12/16/09 14:12, Somebody in the thread at some point said: Hi - Is yum-presto known to work on arm? Today I changed our repo to use deltarpms and tested it out. I noticed... If you can get me ssh access to an arm machine, I'll look into both of these problems. Please also open a bug

Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)

2009-12-16 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:30:11AM +, Paul Jakma wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote: And the remaining 0.1% of the work is probably the other 99.9% of the time. I think you massively underestimate the number of corner cases present in an utterly untested configuration.

Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)

2009-12-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:30:11AM +, Paul Jakma wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote: And the remaining 0.1% of the work is probably the other 99.9% of the time. I think you massively underestimate the number of corner cases

Re: dist-git proof of concept phase 1 complete

2009-12-16 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:33:20AM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 12:35 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: master makes a lot of sense from a git perspective. devel (or rawhide) makes sense from what we actually call the code that that branch eventually makes. A symlink

Re: dist-git proof of concept phase 1 complete

2009-12-16 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 07:28 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:33:20AM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 12:35 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: master makes a lot of sense from a git perspective. devel (or rawhide) makes sense from what we actually

Re: safe way to standby sata hdd?

2009-12-16 Thread Eric Sandeen
Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I've got a home database/symfony env/etc../file server. It's based on Intel D945GCLF2D Atom board. I've got a two hard drives WD Green Power connected through Sata. First drive has / and /home filesystem, second has /home/samba4. On the first drive there are two

ATTN: Changes to OCaml dependency generator for RPM 4.8 in Rawhide

2009-12-16 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
Since RPM 4.8 (now in Rawhide / Fedora 13), the external dependency generator that we used to ship with OCaml has now gone upstream into RPM. This is a Good Thing, thanks to the RPM maintainers for adding this. If you own an OCaml library package, then there are some simple adjustments you need

Re: dist-git proof of concept phase 1 complete

2009-12-16 Thread Todd Zullinger
Simo Sorce wrote: But for anyone that does not using master as the default branch will be a problem. If you never used git you have to learn a lot of things anyway. I think the target audience is not mostly git users. Most of the SCM integration will be wrapped up in fedpkg calls anyway. For

Re: upstart-0.6.3 in rawhide, tomorrow 2009-12-10

2009-12-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 03:32:29PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: One notable change that was made is that we were able to simplify the jobs to the point where the number of login consoles is now configurable, without editing or removing upstart job definitions. This is done by the

Re: dist-git proof of concept phase 1 complete

2009-12-16 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:42:28AM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 07:28 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:33:20AM -0500, Jon Masters wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 12:35 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: master makes a lot of sense from a git

Re: dist-git proof of concept phase 1 complete

2009-12-16 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:13:33AM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote: Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com writes: On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 13:33 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: My thinking is that we don't use origin/next or origin/maint either and both are common upstream in git and the kernel.

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
So again today, I see some updates two of which require a full system reboot. nfs-utils and ibus-rawcode. My system seriously needs to be shut down for those to be properly updated? This is what I don't get. nfs-utils never got a system reboot before, it doesn't get one on RHEL/Centos

Re: upstart-0.6.3 in rawhide, tomorrow 2009-12-10

2009-12-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said: One notable change that was made is that we were able to simplify the jobs to the point where the number of login consoles is now configurable, without editing or removing upstart job definitions. This is done by the ACTIVE_CONSOLES parameter in

Re: ATTN: Changes to OCaml dependency generator for RPM 4.8 in Rawhide

2009-12-16 Thread Panu Matilainen
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Since RPM 4.8 (now in Rawhide / Fedora 13), the external dependency generator that we used to ship with OCaml has now gone upstream into RPM. This is a Good Thing, thanks to the RPM maintainers for adding this. If you own an OCaml library

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: So again today, I see some updates two of which require a full system reboot. nfs-utils and ibus-rawcode. My system seriously needs to be shut down for those to be properly updated? This is what I don't get. nfs-utils never got a system

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Peter Jones
On 12/16/2009 11:43 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: you're an experienced user? You're comfortable knowing what does and what does not require a reboot? Then why are you using PK? Disable pk and do the updates directly via yum. Bam - no more requests to reboot. I get what you're saying, and it's

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: On 12/16/2009 11:43 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: you're an experienced user? You're comfortable knowing what does and what does not require a reboot? Then why are you using PK? Disable pk and do the updates directly via yum. Bam - no more requests to

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org said: we're talking about the experienced user who is comfortable knowing what does and does not need a reboot. It seems though that there is a problem with how the needs a reboot option is set (and if that is the case, it should be

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org said: we're talking about the experienced user who is comfortable knowing what does and does not need a reboot. It seems though that there is a problem with how the needs a reboot option is set

Re: ATTN: Changes to OCaml dependency generator for RPM 4.8 in Rawhide

2009-12-16 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:34:09PM +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote: With the new rpm, all you need to have in the spec for this case is: %global __ocaml_requires_opts -i Asttypes -i Parsetree These will get passed to __ocaml_requires automatically when it runs, and similarly to pass options

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 12/16/2009 09:51 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: On 12/16/2009 11:43 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: you're an experienced user? You're comfortable knowing what does and what does not require a reboot? Then why are you using PK? Disable pk and do the updates directly

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: Maybe this is a feature that needs to be addressed in the rpm layer or something so that upgrades can have multiple effects with regards to needing a reboot. I'm not sure how PK gets the request to reboot from a package, but I'm wondering

Fedora update submission page broken for multiple packages

2009-12-16 Thread Tom Lane
I tried to submit an update for both the fc12 and fc11 versions of postgresql. It did not work; I had to file them as separate updates. I'm pretty sure it used to work --- is my memory failing me, or is this new breakage? If the latter, where do I file bugs against the submission webpage?

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 12/16/2009 10:11 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: Maybe this is a feature that needs to be addressed in the rpm layer or something so that upgrades can have multiple effects with regards to needing a reboot. I'm not sure how PK gets the request to

Re: safe way to standby sata hdd?

2009-12-16 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2009/12/16 Eric Sandeen sand...@redhat.com: Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I've got a home database/symfony env/etc../file server. It's based on Intel D945GCLF2D Atom board. I've got a two hard drives WD Green Power connected through Sata. First drive has / and /home filesystem, second has

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread nodata
Am 2009-12-16 17:51, schrieb Seth Vidal: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Peter Jones wrote: On 12/16/2009 11:43 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: you're an experienced user? You're comfortable knowing what does and what does not require a reboot? Then why are you using PK? Disable pk and do the updates directly

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, nodata wrote: we're talking about the experienced user who is comfortable knowing what does and does not need a reboot. All I'm saying is - we've not taken away any option, the experienced user can do what they want. -sv True, but the default should be sensible.

Re: Fedora update submission page broken for multiple packages

2009-12-16 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:15:37PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: I tried to submit an update for both the fc12 and fc11 versions of postgresql. It did not work; I had to file them as separate updates. I'm pretty sure it used to work --- is my memory failing me, or is this new breakage? If the

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: seems like a package basically has complex upgrade issues, so we reboot. Are there other tags packages can have other than reboot? Should there be? etc etc.. No. The reason for this is that PKs target audience is not someone like me, and as

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread nodata
Am 2009-12-16 18:21, schrieb Seth Vidal: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, nodata wrote: we're talking about the experienced user who is comfortable knowing what does and does not need a reboot. All I'm saying is - we've not taken away any option, the experienced user can do what they want. -sv

Re: dist-git proof of concept phase 1 complete

2009-12-16 Thread Andreas Schwab
Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:13:33AM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote: Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com writes: On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 13:33 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: My thinking is that we don't use origin/next or origin/maint either and both

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, nodata wrote: Am 2009-12-16 18:21, schrieb Seth Vidal: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, nodata wrote: we're talking about the experienced user who is comfortable knowing what does and does not need a reboot. All I'm saying is - we've not taken away any option, the experienced

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 12/16/2009 10:28 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: seems like a package basically has complex upgrade issues, so we reboot. Are there other tags packages can have other than reboot? Should there be? etc etc.. No. The reason for this is that PKs

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: Hands are needed to help advance this. Care to lend one? Yes. I'm attempting to become more involved. I've submitted my first package, and am going through the review process. That doesn't help in this particular case, but I am not

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On 12/16/2009 10:38 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: Hands are needed to help advance this. Care to lend one? Yes. I'm attempting to become more involved. I've submitted my first package, and am going through the review process. That doesn't help in

Re: Fedora update submission page broken for multiple packages

2009-12-16 Thread Tom Lane
Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:15:37PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: I tried to submit an update for both the fc12 and fc11 versions of postgresql. It did not work; I had to file them as separate updates. I'm pretty sure it used to work --- is my memory failing

Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)

2009-12-16 Thread Debarshi Ray
It works for me is a poor standard of support. There must be something transmogrifying my emails before it reaches other subscribers of this list, either that or I am being unreasonable in thinking He is just pointing out that there is lot more work to do than you think. In other words he is

Re: Why pavucontrol is not installed by default?

2009-12-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Wed, 09.12.09 13:51, Christof Damian (chris...@damian.net) wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:59, Tomasz Torcz to...@pipebreaker.pl wrote: On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 09:51:55AM -0200, Paulo Cavalcanti wrote:  pavucontrol is regarded as advance tool, but also partly obsolete. Current

Re: x86-64 on i386 (was Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?)

2009-12-16 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:29:17PM +, Paul Jakma wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, Matthew Garrett wrote: It works for me is a poor standard of support. There must be something transmogrifying my emails before it reaches other subscribers of this list, either that or I am being unreasonable

Re: upstart-0.6.3 in rawhide, tomorrow 2009-12-10

2009-12-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said: Given how it's implemented, you could do something truly disgusting like ACTIVE_CONSOLES=$([ $RUNLEVEL = 3 ] echo '/dev/tty[1-6]' || echo '/dev/tty2') I'm not sure I really want to *support* people doing that, though. You mean, you don't like

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/16/2009 03:43 PM, Otto Haliburton wrote: windows update will automatically reboot your system when it automatically updates it windows tried the optional stuff but now almost every case it requires a restart. Even when it asks, it does that with a modal focus-grabbing dialog window. I

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Jon Masters
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 16:30 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: HOWEVER, just because Windows suck doesn't mean that Linux should suck too. My own preference would be a more discriminating dialog that offers three possibilities: 'do nothing', 'bounce the service/application' and 'reboot'. Yup,

Re: FUDConF13 videos

2009-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 09:31 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: 2) The last 20 minutes of the Fedora Infrastructure: Sysadmins vs. Developers love-in. I'm grateful to whoever shot this, but I've complete blanked on who it was now. I'll be glad to give you attribution, please remind me!

kernel/accounting question ...

2009-12-16 Thread William W. Austin
(I know that this question might be more reasonable on a kernel list, but a while back I posted the question twice and got no answers.) The acct struct is defined in /usr/include/sys/acct.h includes both ac_io and ac_rw for bytes transferred and blocks read or written, respectively.

Re: kernel/accounting question ...

2009-12-16 Thread Peter Jones
On 10/19/2006 08:23 AM, William W. Austin wrote: Not that I've got an answer for your question, but you might want to tell your computer that it's not 2006. -- Peter When privacy is outlawed only outlaws will have privacy. -- Zimmermann -- fedora-devel-list mailing

Re: kernel/accounting question ...

2009-12-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:23:49 -0400 William W. Austin waus...@speakeasy.net wrote: (I know that this question might be more reasonable on a kernel list, but a while back I posted the question twice and got no answers.) Possibly because the system you are sending email from thinks it's 2006,

Re: dist-git proof of concept phase 1 complete

2009-12-16 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 10:42 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: But for anyone that does not using master as the default branch will be a problem. If you never used git you have to learn a lot of things anyway. I would hope you don't have to. To be a Fedora maintainer you hardly have to know a thing

RE: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Otto Haliburton
-Original Message- From: fedora-devel-list-boun...@redhat.com [mailto:fedora-devel-list- boun...@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Przemek Klosowski Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 15:30 To: fedora-devel-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: packages requiring me to reboot... On 12/16/2009

acctcom for linux

2009-12-16 Thread William W. Austin
I recently made several updates to a Linux version of of acctcom (actually another accounting add-on package) which I've been using for several years, and one of the people testing it asked a question which I cannot answer. I'm hoping that someone on this list can give me some info. I

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote: you're an experienced user? You're comfortable knowing what does and what does not require a reboot? Then why are you using PK? Disable pk and do the updates directly via yum. Bam - no more requests to reboot.

Re: Possible wrong versions tagged into f12-final

2009-12-16 Thread Jesse Keating
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 11:19 +, Quentin Armitage wrote: I've noticed what might be a couple of anomalies regarding which versions of packages have been tagged into f12-final. freenx-client: 0.9-9.fc12 was built as part of the dist-f12-rebuild, but 0.9-10.fc11 tagged has been tagged into

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes— users with more expertise are more likely to complain about this, but thats not reason to dismiss the issue. If there were truly a disconnect here betweens the needs of the novices and those of the expert users you

Re: Possible wrong versions tagged into f12-final

2009-12-16 Thread Jonathan Underwood
2009/12/16 Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 11:19 +, Quentin Armitage wrote: I've noticed what might be a couple of anomalies regarding which versions of packages have been tagged into f12-final. freenx-client: 0.9-9.fc12 was built as part of the dist-f12-rebuild,

Re: acctcom for linux

2009-12-16 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 08:38 -0400, William W. Austin wrote: 05/01/2007 05:38:26 AM (Tue, 01 May 2007 08:38:26 -0400) Your date is still wrong. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message

Re: Fedora update submission page broken for multiple packages

2009-12-16 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Tom Lane wrote: I tried to submit an update for both the fc12 and fc11 versions of postgresql.  It did not work; I had to file them as separate updates. I'm pretty sure it used to work --- is my memory failing me, or is this new breakage?  If the latter, where

Re: Fedora update submission page broken for multiple packages

2009-12-16 Thread Tom Lane
Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com writes: If there is a way to file an update (same version and release except the disttag) to multiple branches, please let me know. Usually it works: just add all the package NVRs to the same update submission. (That's what the add another package button is

Re: acctcom for linux

2009-12-16 Thread Tony Nelson
On 09-12-16 18:19:17, Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 08:38 -0400, William W. Austin wrote: 05/01/2007 05:38:26 AM (Tue, 01 May 2007 08:38:26 -0400) Your date is still wrong. No, the date is correct. That's when the message was sent the first time around -- it's in the list

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Otto Haliburton
- Original Message - From: Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora fedora-devel-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:01 PM Subject: Re: packages requiring me to reboot... On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Seth Vidal

Re: kernel/accounting question ...

2009-12-16 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Jones wrote: Not that I've got an answer for your question, but you might want to tell your computer that it's not 2006. William W. Austin (or possibly his ISP, Speakeasy) is actually resending mail which was originally sent back in 2006. I got 2 extra copies of a mail I already

Re: Static linking considered harmful

2009-12-16 Thread William W. Austin
On 2006-11-22 05:37:43, Patrice Dumas pertu...@free.fr wrote: On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 10:29:44AM +, Andrew Haley wrote: Not only. There are cases when all those issues are moot, a prominent one being for numerical models. Compiling models statically makes it possible to

FUDCon Toronto: please take the 5-minute feedback survey

2009-12-16 Thread Mel Chua
FUDCon Toronto (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009) is over - our largest FUDCon yet! We'd love to get your thoughts on how it went, so: * If you attended FUDCon Toronto, either in-person or remotely via Fedora Live, please take this survey and tell us what you thought. * If

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Mail Lists
On 12/16/2009 03:51 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: 2009/12/16 Mail Lists li...@sapience.com: The last part is a clean up phase which could be deferred to reboot or perhaps something a little more clever. The devil is in the detail :) Richard. Yes but how are: (a) Kill app - install

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/16/2009 06:34 PM, Seth Vidal wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, nodata wrote: Am 2009-12-16 18:21, schrieb Seth Vidal: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009, nodata wrote: we're talking about the experienced user who is comfortable knowing what does and does not need a reboot. All I'm saying is - we've

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-16 Thread nodata
Am 2009-12-17 00:08, schrieb Jeff Spaleta: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Gregory Maxwellgmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes— users with more expertise are more likely to complain about this, but thats not reason to dismiss the issue. If there were truly a disconnect here betweens the needs of the

Re: Why pavucontrol is not installed by default?

2009-12-16 Thread Christof Damian
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:58, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: pavucontrol currently crashes (and pulseaudio) for me on one machine and I need this functionality. File a bug. Could everyone on this list please assume that I filed a bug or found the bug already reported if I

Re: Why pavucontrol is not installed by default?

2009-12-16 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 12/17/2009 12:46 PM, Christof Damian wrote: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:58, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: pavucontrol currently crashes (and pulseaudio) for me on one machine and I need this functionality. File a bug. Could everyone on this list please assume that I

Re: [Fedora-electronic-lab] FEL website clarification

2009-12-16 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi, --- On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH chitl...@fedoraproject.org wrote: | As for the FEL's website and the trac are the Fedora Website team | responsibility. But the design team contributors are also subscribed | to the websites mailing list. \-- Should I go ahead, and make a

[Issue 92203] Wrong symbols in MathType formulas imported from *doc

2009-12-16 Thread nmailhot
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=92203 User nmailhot changed the following: What|Old value |New value

[Bug 533919] Review Request: mplus fonts - The M+ family of fonts designed by Coji Morishita

2009-12-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533919 Igshaan Mesias igshaan.mes...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added

File pango-1.26.2.tar.bz2 uploaded to lookaside cache by mclasen

2009-12-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for pango: f30212b8833af3ce5c82121dc309e3d0 pango-1.26.2.tar.bz2 ___ Fedora-fonts-bugs-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-bugs-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-bugs-list

rpms/pango/F-12 .cvsignore, 1.98, 1.99 pango.spec, 1.180, 1.181 sources, 1.99, 1.100

2009-12-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
Author: mclasen Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/pango/F-12 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv25879 Modified Files: .cvsignore pango.spec sources Log Message: 1.26.2 Index: .cvsignore === RCS file:

[Bug 548323] New: [hi_IN] 0953/0954 Font Shapes need improvement

2009-12-16 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: [hi_IN] 0953/0954 Font Shapes need improvement https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=548323 Summary: [hi_IN] 0953/0954 Font Shapes need improvement

Re: SOP creation made easier

2009-12-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Mel Chua m...@redhat.com wrote: Since we were directly inspired to create the Marketing SOPs by seeing how much good it's done Infrastructure to have them, I thought I'd share some back - we made a template and a SOP for making SOPs to make the SOP-generation

Re: yum install mencoder makes X11 flaky

2009-12-16 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 00:24 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 12/11/2009 11:08 PM, Kelly Jones wrote: Ever since I yum install mencoder, my X server's been flaky + frequently crashing. I remember yum installing/upgrading libraries when I ran the command above, but don't remember what the

Sunbird Calendar Broken

2009-12-16 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
I have just installed the latest sunbird, namely sunbird-1.0-0.11.20090715hg.fc11.x86_64 When started, it shows two error boxes and no calendar information. The error boxes read: Box 1: An error was encountered preparing the calendar located at

Re: yum install mencoder makes X11 flaky

2009-12-16 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wednesday 16 December 2009 12:22 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 00:24 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 12/11/2009 11:08 PM, Kelly Jones wrote: Ever since I yum install mencoder, my X server's been flaky + frequently crashing. I remember yum installing/upgrading libraries

Re: Sunbird Calendar Broken

2009-12-16 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 00:32 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I have just installed the latest sunbird, namely sunbird-1.0-0.11.20090715hg.fc11.x86_64 When started, it shows two error boxes and no calendar information. The error boxes read... Running from a console produces different

Re: mirrors.fedoraproject.org problem?

2009-12-16 Thread Michal
On 16/12/2009 02:49, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Itamar Reis Peixoto on 12/15/2009 08:52 AM wrote: ipv6 have preference, because this the people not able to use yum No. That's not how getaddrinfo()/connect() works.

flash-plugin update and f11

2009-12-16 Thread Mike Cloaked
Recently there was a flash-plugin update available to flash-plugin-10.0.42.34-release.i386 After updating I noticed that Firefox was showing the new version as well as the old version in Tools-Add-ons and selecting the plugins tab. I initially disabled the old version but then found that

Re: yum install mencoder makes X11 flaky

2009-12-16 Thread Derek Cramer
2009/12/16 Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net: Are you sure?  I would like this info to post my troubles with sunbird (forthcoming shortly), but        # yum history list produces only the usage message.  System is F11 with all upgrades. Yum is yum-3.2.24-2.fc11.noarch . Might be only on

Re: Fedora wifi: Specifying 2.4 or 5.8 GHz

2009-12-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 12:00 +1000, Dan Irwin wrote: Hi All, I have a Cisco AIR-1252 access point with both 2.4 and 5.8 GHz radios. I have configured both radios to broadcast the same ssid. How can I tell fedora to use only 5.8GHz ? So far it only connects to the 2.4GHz radio. What are

Re: yum install mencoder makes X11 flaky

2009-12-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 00:22 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 00:24 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 12/11/2009 11:08 PM, Kelly Jones wrote: Ever since I yum install mencoder, my X server's been flaky + frequently crashing. I remember yum installing/upgrading

Re: Help: No internet connection

2009-12-16 Thread Simon Schneebeli
Well, since I can surf the web with Opera and use Skype but not Firefox, Evolution and Thuderbird, the connection between the computer and my wireless ADSL modem as well as between the modem and the web work. I just don't understand why some applications can't connect. But I agree that it

Re: How to make a Huawei 1692 3g card work

2009-12-16 Thread Antonio M
2009/12/15 Antonio M antonio.montagn...@gmail.com: 2009/12/14 Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) frankl...@gmail.com: --snip--  Bug 541686 -  Huawei 1692 is not recognized as a 3G card with standard file already reported, but now it is worst, as it seems not be working at all... I mean: in F11 it

Re: Help: No internet connection

2009-12-16 Thread Aaron Gray
The only thing I can think of suggesting is, have you looked at your firewall configuration ? Aaron 2009/12/16 Simon Schneebeli simon.schneeb...@okko.org Well, since I can surf the web with Opera and use Skype but not Firefox, Evolution and Thuderbird, the connection between the computer and

RE: Help: No internet connection

2009-12-16 Thread Ishmael Chibvuri
Yes! Your firewall could be , the issue here.. _ The only thing I can think of suggesting is, have you looked at your firewall configuration ? Aaron 2009/12/16 Simon Schneebeli

Re: Help: No internet connection

2009-12-16 Thread Simon Schneebeli
No difference with or without firewall. But I discovered something else: Here's what happens: - I start my computer and connect to the wireless: Firefox and Thunderbird can not connect to the wireless but Opera can. - I plug in the Ethernet cable. Now all connections work, with or without

Re: linux as router

2009-12-16 Thread Adel ESSAFI
2009/12/14 Adel ESSAFI adeless...@gmail.com 2009/12/14 Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com Adel ESSAFI wrote: Hi list This is the first time I have to configure linux as router. I have a single network card for which I gave to IPs eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:5B:72:7F:D9

Re: Help: No internet connection

2009-12-16 Thread Aaron Gray
2009/12/16 Simon Schneebeli simon.schneeb...@okko.org No difference with or without firewall. But I discovered something else: Here's what happens: - I start my computer and connect to the wireless: Firefox and Thunderbird can not connect to the wireless but Opera can. - I plug in the

Re: Sunbird Calendar Broken

2009-12-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:32:55 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan jonr...@pacbell.net wrote: I have just installed the latest sunbird, namely sunbird-1.0-0.11.20090715hg.fc11.x86_64 When started, it shows two error boxes and no calendar information. The error boxes read: Take a look at:

route packages

2009-12-16 Thread Adel ESSAFI
Hi list In my school, I need to have a PC that act like router since I have not public addresses. I have followed many link ( http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/01/how-to-enable-ip-forwarding-in-linux/, the doc of fedora ). All tell the same thing. Unfortunally, When I follow them, I have no

Re: Detecting how Apps are called.

2009-12-16 Thread Jim
On 12/15/2009 04:55 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: System Preferences File Management, in the Media System Preferences File Management are you thinking in terms of Gnome , I can't find System Preferences in KDE. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To

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