Re: Goals for F13?

2010-01-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Mike McGrath (mmcgr...@redhat.com) said: What does everyone else have? 1) no frozen rawhide which requires faster composes 2) dist-git 3) A functioning message bus with services passing messages I think I know what you'd want from us on 2 and 3, can you think of anything off hand

Re: FESCo election results December 2009

2009-12-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Garrett (m...@redhat.com) said: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:19:47PM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: Using the Fedora Range Voting method, each candidate could attain a maximum of 864 votes (4*216). Results: 1. Adam Jackson (ajax) 1028 I think

Re: autofs not installed by default

2009-12-17 Thread Bill Nottingham
Todd Volkert (tvolk...@gmail.com) said: The past few Fedora installs, I've specified a NIS server during the Anaconda installation so I don't have to create any local user accounts. However, once installation is complete, I can't log into any NIS accounts because autofs insn't installed,

Re: upstart-0.6.3 in rawhide, tomorrow 2009-12-10

2009-12-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said: One notable change that was made is that we were able to simplify the jobs to the point where the number of login consoles is now configurable, without editing or removing upstart job definitions. This is done by the ACTIVE_CONSOLES parameter in

Re: upstart-0.6.3 in rawhide, tomorrow 2009-12-10

2009-12-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said: Given how it's implemented, you could do something truly disgusting like ACTIVE_CONSOLES=$([ $RUNLEVEL = 3 ] echo '/dev/tty[1-6]' || echo '/dev/tty2') I'm not sure I really want to *support* people doing that, though. You mean, you don't like

Re: packages requiring me to reboot...

2009-12-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Nathanael D. Noblet (nathan...@gnat.ca) said: I'm also curious why gdm is still running once I've logged in. When you start a display manager, you start an X server; the display manager then draws on this. Then, when you log in, you have to stat an user session, as the authenticated user (which

Re: rawhide and tagging requests

2009-12-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) said: Hmm, looking at the traceback at the end of http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/rawhide-20091209/logs/mash.log Note that while I fixed the bug which caused the traceback, the traceback is in a code path that means clamav-scanner-upstart

Re: rawhide and tagging requests

2009-12-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) said: Gah, I see the problem. clamav-scanner-upstart is in the transaction, to be installed, but we are only looking in the rpmdb. My fault, off to do a patch. I've kicked off a new rawhide with the patched yum. Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: upstart-0.6.3 in rawhide, tomorrow 2009-12-10

2009-12-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: It's going to be a bit of a bumpy first yum upgrade. You will likely have to reboot with 'reboot -f', as the job formats have changed slightly, and the communication with init(8) has changed. Once you reboot, things should work pretty much the same

upstart-0.6.3 in rawhide, tomorrow 2009-12-10

2009-12-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Upstart0.6.0 was approved at last week's FESCo meeting. It was built today, and will land in rawhide tomorrow. What this means for you: It's going to be a bit of a bumpy first yum upgrade. You will likely have to reboot with 'reboot -f', as the job

Re: Upstart 0.6.3 coming to a rawhide near you

2009-12-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) said: Does this mean that running dbus will be required to reboot/shutdown the system? No. The init daemon speaks the dbus protocol, and can be communicated with over the system daemon. But it can also be talked to directly. Looking at

Re: Blocking radeonhd (was Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?)

2009-12-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
Hans Ulrich Niedermann (h...@n-dimensional.de) said: The big issue is with KMS on using radeonhd is like shooting yourself in the face. Either we need to patch radeonhd in Fedora to not start with KMS enabled or remove it from the distro. I am working on such a patch to radeonhd

FESCo meeting summary for 2009-12-04

2009-12-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCo meeting 20091204 === Meeting started by notting at 17:00:23 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-04/fesco.2009-12-04-17.00.log.html . Meeting

Upstart 0.6.3 coming to a rawhide near you

2009-12-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Upstart0.6.0 was approved at today's FESCo meeting. We hope to land this in the next week or so. What this means for you (for very specific values of you): If you own any of the following packages, you have upstart job files that will need modified for

Re: Upstart 0.6.3 coming to a rawhide near you

2009-12-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: Obvious FAQ: Q: Should we port our SysV scripts to native upstart scripts? A: No, not at this time. Q: I'd like to play with it before it lands. A: There's a repo at http://notting.fedorapeople.org/upstart0.6/. You can also check the new upstart

Re: Upstart 0.6.3 coming to a rawhide near you

2009-12-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
Miroslav Lichvar (mlich...@redhat.com) said: On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 04:10:34PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Upstart0.6.0 The features highlight list has: Communication with the init daemon over D-Bus. Questions? Comments? Does this mean

Plan for tomorrow's (20091203) FESCo meeting

2009-12-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 17:00UTC (noon EST) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. This meeting may be cancelled if we cannot reach quorum. FESCo members who cannot make it are encouraged to vote or comment in the tickets. 274

Plan for tomorrow's (20091204) FESCo meeting

2009-12-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 17:00UTC (noon EST) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Despite what the original subject said, that should be tomorrow, December *4th* at 17:0UTC. Bill

Re: Blocking radeonhd (was Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?)

2009-12-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matěj Cepl (mc...@redhat.com) said: Moreover, I don't know what's your problem with radeonhd driver in Fedora. Hanz does IMHO excellent job on maintaining it and it doesn't drag much additional resources on anybody (except on me, perhaps, because I triage bugs for him as well, which is the

Re: Proposed F13 feature: drop separate updates repository

2009-12-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Ralf Corsepius (rc040...@freenet.de) said: Does the FSF/GPL demand to keep a repo around for ISOs? A rolling Everything would not touch the ISOs. They would still be around. The LiveCD/spins satisfy their source requirements via the source repositories; they do not compose separate live source

Re: F12: NetworkManager-Firefox: Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web

2009-12-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Dan Williams (d...@redhat.com) said: ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp TYPE=Wireless NM_CONTROLLED=yes USERCTL=yes PEERDNS=yes IPV6INIT=no MODE=Auto This is the problem. Auto is not a valid mode. It's a valid mode according to the iwconfig man page. I have no idea what cards

Blocking radeonhd (was Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?)

2009-12-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Dave Airlie (airl...@redhat.com) said: On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 08:07 +0200, Pekka Savola wrote: Well, here's one graphics regression: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=540476 radeon.modeset=0 worked around the problem. (I'm not sure if it's filed against the right

Re: Blocking radeonhd (was Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?)

2009-12-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Ian Pilcher (arequip...@gmail.com) said: On 12/01/2009 09:35 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: So, if our X maintainers won't handle bugs with it, we have a working default alternative that is maintained upstream, and it's *known* to be broken in the default configuration, why ship it? If we're

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Gene Czarcinski (g...@czarc.net) said: Keep it simple (KISS) for the initial attempt. It will grow more complicated all by itself as time passes. BTW, the security policy should assume that a grub password is in use so that a user cannot do something like disabling selinux by editing the

Re: Answers from the Candidate Questionnaire now in the Wiki (Was: Candidate Questionnaire status)

2009-11-25 Thread Bill Nottingham
inode0 (ino...@gmail.com) said: So the answers are now free for public consumption on this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections/F13_Questionnaire I just want to thank you again for all your work on this. I understand it is a burden to candidates and a lot of work for you to

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
I don't want to ship a desktop that doesn't let the user do useful things. And you can ship a desktop SPIN that way. But the base pkgs should not install with an insecure set of choices. if you want the spin to have a post-scriptlet which allows more things, then that's the choice of the

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Gregory Maxwell (gmaxw...@gmail.com) said: If some some spin decided to make every user run as root, ship with no firewalling, have password-less accounts, or have insecure services enabled by default, etc. You mean Sugar as configured on the XO? (It has passwordless user, who can su without

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Chris Ball (c...@laptop.org) said: If some some spin decided to make every user run as root, ship with no firewalling, have password-less accounts, or have insecure services enabled by default, etc. You mean Sugar as configured on the XO? (It has passwordless user, who

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said: It's true, but note that the XO software is technically a Remix rather than a Spin, so there aren't any technical requirements on it to satisfy the use of the Fedora mark. (I think I'd agree with Greg's point regarding official Fedora

Re: [RFC] unified i386/x86_64 install media.

2009-11-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Antill (ja...@fedoraproject.org) said: ...on the upside IIRC notting tried the 64bit kernel with 32bit userspace for F11, and had a single line patch (to rpmUtils.arch) to make yum happy. A single line patch which *everyone* hated., as it essentially keyed off the wordsize of the python

Re: Security testing: need for a security policy, and a security-critical package process

2009-11-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
I don't want to ship a desktop that doesn't let the user do useful things. And you can ship a desktop SPIN that way. But the base pkgs should not install with an insecure set of choices. if you want the spin to have a post-scriptlet which allows more things, then that's the choice of the

Re: PackageKit policy: background and plans

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Morris (jmor...@namei.org) said: MAC policy can be updated without administrative privilege, breaking our MAC model in a fundamental way. I'm fairly sure that's wrong as well. Installation of another policy does not override the current one. What about when the system is

Re: Who handles lidclose at login screen?

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Orion Poplawski (or...@cora.nwra.com) said: What is responsible for suspending a laptop when the lid is closed and it is at the login screen? Running kdm and the machine does not suspend. In principle, whatever handles it in your session. gnome-power-manager runs as part of the gdm

rpms/perl-Finance-Quote/F-12 .cvsignore, 1.3, 1.4 perl-Finance-Quote.spec, 1.9, 1.10 sources, 1.3, 1.4

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Author: notting Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Finance-Quote/F-12 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31518/F-12 Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-Finance-Quote.spec sources Log Message: update to 1.17 (#540340, bba...@gmail.com) Index: .cvsignore

rpms/perl-Finance-Quote/devel .cvsignore, 1.3, 1.4 perl-Finance-Quote.spec, 1.9, 1.10 sources, 1.3, 1.4

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Author: notting Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Finance-Quote/devel In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31518/devel Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-Finance-Quote.spec sources Log Message: update to 1.17 (#540340, bba...@gmail.com) Index: .cvsignore

rpms/perl-Finance-Quote/F-11 .cvsignore, 1.3, 1.4 perl-Finance-Quote.spec, 1.8, 1.9 sources, 1.3, 1.4

2009-11-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Author: notting Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Finance-Quote/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31518/F-11 Modified Files: .cvsignore perl-Finance-Quote.spec sources Log Message: update to 1.17 (#540340, bba...@gmail.com) Index: .cvsignore

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Benny Amorsen (benny+use...@amorsen.dk) said: If there are pkgs which run daemons which are defaulting to ON when installed or on next reboot - then we should be auditing those pkgs. Last I checked we default to OFF and that should continue to be the case. Is there a blanket

Re: Security policy oversight needed?

2009-11-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Rudolf Kastl (che...@gmail.com) said: there are also inconsistencies between gui clickery and shell usage... simple example: click shutdown in gnome just does it in f12 issuesing shutdown -h now on the shell asks for root password ... id really expect a system to show consistent

Re: PackageKit policy: background and plans

2009-11-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
James Morris (jmor...@namei.org) said: - The local session can now install any signed packages from the Fedora repos: - I think this includes old versions of packages (correct?) Incorrect. MAC policy can be updated without administrative privilege, breaking our MAC model in a

Re: Old/compat package naming

2009-11-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Lubomir Rintel (lkund...@v3.sk) said: glib1:1.2.10-32.fc11 glib2 2.20.5-1.fc11 gtk+1:1.2.10-68.fc11 gtk22.16.6-2.fc11 Given the history of these, this sounds like way more work to change than it's worth. (They'd certainly have

Re: F12: where did window properties go?

2009-11-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Andre Robatino (an...@bwh.harvard.edu) said: If control-center-extra goes away, then install gconf-editor, then under apps-metacity-general, set focus_mode to sloppy. (Thanks to Adam Williamson for pointing this out.) You can do this with gconftool-2, without the need for gconf-editor. Bill

Re: Security policy oversight needed?

2009-11-19 Thread Bill Nottingham
Colin Walters (walt...@verbum.org) said: Which is why you do it with specifically selected policy packages, and not trying to write out files in %post.  Create a set of policy packages that define certain user cases, and pick from those as you construct a spin. This makes sense to me;

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) said: Sorry, but this default (desktop users can install pkgs without root) is just stupid. It is antithetical to all standard security models that have come before in Fedora and other Linux distributions. Out of the box, a desktop user has the ability to

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) said: This sounds like a tacit admission that the default install for servers is bloody stupid (== same as desktop), unless the admin REMOVES packages we helpfully installed on the server system. PackageKit has only ever been included in destkop package groups.

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Eric Christensen (e...@christensenplace.us) said: It's a behavior change, for sure. For people who want to lock down their systems, it's a default they will need to be able to change, and they should have been able to discover it through the normal mechanisms for that. (i.e., the release

Re: Local users get to play root?

2009-11-18 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) said: This sounds like a tacit admission that the default install for servers is bloody stupid (== same as desktop), unless the admin REMOVES packages we helpfully installed on the server system. PackageKit has only ever been included in destkop package

Re: FESCO ticket#270 - preupgrade and F-12

2009-11-12 Thread Bill Nottingham
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said: There are definitely workarounds available, but none that meet the criteria for preupgrade as an effortless upgrade option. So I'm a bit confused by what is so hard here. preupgrade starts up, finds it can't store stage2, and then tells you that

Re: conflict between seedit - selinux-policy and qstat - torque-client

2009-11-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Daniel J Walsh (dwa...@redhat.com) said: On 11/04/2009 01:38 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Because seedit getting installed causes selinux-policy-targeted and friends to get screwed up. That sounds like a reason to not ship seedit. Am I missing something? Bill I would not ship

Re: Are conflicts in debuginfo packages OK?

2009-11-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Frank Ch. Eigler (f...@redhat.com) said: I'm guessing that we don't offer them multilib means that 32-bit debuginfo packages aren't meant to be installed on 64-bit systems, so I'll take this to mean that I shouldn't bother doing anything to avoid conflicts. Well, hold on, debuginfo for

intent to retire: kudzu

2009-11-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
I'd like to retire kudzu for F-13. Why? - There are places where it almost certainly does not work with current kernels - It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated - Given that, its upstream is very dead However, it is still being required by

Re: conflict between seedit - selinux-policy and qstat - torque-client

2009-11-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
Because seedit getting installed causes selinux-policy-targeted and friends to get screwed up. That sounds like a reason to not ship seedit. Am I missing something? Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Who do I send to get a package removed because of bad language.

2009-10-21 Thread Bill Nottingham
Eric Springer (erik...@gmail.com) said: It's probably abusing the system and breaks a million guidelines, but what about making a no-offensive-packages package that explicitly conflicts with a list of offensive packages? I suspect the problem with that is attempting to determine a universal

Re: Who do I send to get a package removed because of bad language.

2009-10-21 Thread Bill Nottingham
Darryl L. Pierce (dpie...@redhat.com) said: You're correct in that removing the KDE group attempts to remove the NetworkManager-gnome rpm. I remembered uninstalling KDE also removed NetworkManager-gnome which borked my laptop until I re-installed the RPM. That's something that should be

Re: the mass rebuild and i586 rpms?

2009-10-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Orion Poplawski (or...@cora.nwra.com) said: I just rebuilt: itcl-3.4-5.fc12 - no changes from original failed rebuild irda-utils-0.9.18-10.fc12 - added a minor patch to fix install issue xfconf-4.6.1-4.fc12 - added missing BRs Does it make sense to tag them into F-12 at this point?

Re: rawhide report: 20091016 changes

2009-10-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Rawhide Report (rawh...@fedoraproject.org) said: sugar-toolkit-0.86.1-1.fc12.i686 requires python-json This was a tagging mixup. It will be fixed. Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Re: Who do I send to get a package removed because of bad language.

2009-10-16 Thread Bill Nottingham
Steven James Drinnan (ste...@scc.hk) said: I will file a ticket. But my point was the image of Fedora.Does Fedora want be associated with software vendors that use this type of language? There are worse things in the package collection, alas, depending on your point of view. In any case,

Re: yum-presto not on by default

2009-10-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
Ahmed Kamal (email.ahmedka...@googlemail.com) said: Also the rawhide db itself. A guaranteed 8-12 megabyte download usually swamps out any saving from presto (barring changes to eclipse, kernel and openoffice). Why aren't we rsync'ing that 12MB db, instead of re-downloading ? Wasn't

Re: Switching to Native Upstart Scripts?

2009-10-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jeffrey Ollie (j...@ocjtech.us) said: I was wondering what the consensus on switching to native Upstart scripts (/etc/event.d/*) vs. keeping the traditional SysV init scripts (/etc/rc.d/init.d) for daemons was? I was looking at switching Asterisk over and have an Upstart script that seems to

Re: PPC/PPC64 disabled in Koji for dist-f13

2009-10-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jeff Garzik (jgar...@pobox.com) said: But you're dodging the larger point -- Fedora has, de facto, demoted big endian support in its entirety to a second-hand effort, rather than distributed the workload much more widely. Given M package maintainers and N secondary-platform volunteers, it is

Re: New deltarpm -- who do I talk to about testing?

2009-10-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said: I have a new deltarpm package built for the rel-eng repo: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1721745 I can put it into the rel-eng repository to update the servers but who do I talk to about testing it? We'll also need approval

Re: New deltarpm -- who do I talk to about testing?

2009-10-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said: I can put it into the rel-eng repository to update the servers but who do I talk to about testing it? We'll also need approval to brakinfra change freeze to deploy it once it's tested. If it's in rawhide, it's already being tested to produce

Re: Buyer Beware: A Major Change in NFS is about to happen

2009-09-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Steve Dickson (ste...@redhat.com) said: Right or wrong.. I took Final Feature Freeze as the last chance of getting a feature into F12.. And I will be the first to admit I do not read all the rule and regulations of all the steps of a release... I look at dates.. When is the alpha and when

Re: yum-presto not on by default

2009-09-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Andre Robatino (an...@bwh.harvard.edu) said: If I understand correctly what the problem is - that successfully xz-uncompressing a file requires being on the same endian arch as the one it was compressed on - that's just wrong. It shouldn't be platform-dependent at all. That is not the

Re: yum-presto not on by default

2009-09-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jonathan Dieter (jdie...@gmail.com) said: The second one has to do with the fact that when rebuilding the rpms, we have to recompress the data, and xz compression is over 10x slower than gzip. Stats of the day... I took an existing xz-compressed RPM, and built a newer release of that package

Re: Deltarpm xz problem with PPC generated rpms?

2009-09-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Josh Boyer (jwbo...@gmail.com) said: Simple solution: Don't build the noarch RPMs on ppc. Why?: Because F12 is the last release that will have ppc be a primary arch and it is fairly arguable that you want to optimize for the future case going forward anyway. I'm not sure how 'simple' that

Re: Deltarpm xz problem with PPC generated rpms?

2009-09-15 Thread Bill Nottingham
Josh Boyer (jwbo...@gmail.com) said: I'm not sure how 'simple' that is in the koji configuration. It will have to be done anyway, yes? Well, that would involve disabling all ppc builders for a release entirely, which is much simpler. But this isn't the right list anyway. Bill --

Re: Deltarpm xz problem with PPC generated rpms?

2009-09-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jonathan Dieter (jdie...@gmail.com) said: He did bring up some other very good points, though. Xz's compression output hasn't been set in sand, much less stone. The file format will stay the same, but the same command-line options may result in different compressed files. ... in what way

Re: Introduction to a new SIG for creation of Live DVD

2009-09-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Aditya Patawari (adi...@adityapatawari.com) said: How would this be different from each LiveCD group just targeting a DVD size and changing their spin appropriately? Actually instead of increasing the size and getting a cluttered install, I am planning to include an internal repository.

Re: Deltarpm xz problem with PPC generated rpms?

2009-09-14 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jonathan Dieter (jdie...@gmail.com) said: ... in what way does he mean this? Obviously passing -1 ... -9 causes different output, much like it does in gzip/bzip2/etc. He means that the file generated using -5 in the future may be different than the file generated using -5 now. As long as

Re: GCC var-tracking-assignments: testing and bug reports appreciated

2009-09-11 Thread Bill Nottingham
John Reiser (jrei...@bitwagon.com) said: If I had relied solely on Rawhide report, then there would have been no progress from Tuesday morning to Thursday evening. The delays in rawhide had nothing to do with the new gcc, FWIW. Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Fedora 12 Snapshot 1 available

2009-09-04 Thread Bill Nottingham
Fedora 12 Snapshot 1 is now available for testing. These snapshots consist of live images only. Available at http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/: Fedora 12 Live Snapshot 1, for i686 and x86_64 Fedora 12 Live KDE Snapshot 1, for i686 and x86_64 Available at

Re: [PATCH 3/3] dracut has initrd-generic-version instead of initrd-version (#519185)

2009-09-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Hans de Goede (j.w.r.dego...@hhs.nl) said: The fact that it wasn't turned on at Alpha means it really shouldn't be on now, not without FESCo approval. That is interesting reasoning, first keep it out of Alpha even though it was ready as you were afraid it would delay the Alpha further

Re: [PATCH 3/3] dracut has initrd-generic-version instead of initrd-version (#519185)

2009-09-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Hans de Goede (j.w.r.dego...@hhs.nl) said: It really is like having to support gentoo, versus having to support a distro using pre build packages. And I would really like to move to the having to support a pre-build package model for the initrd. The problem is this: The kernel binary RPM

Plan for tomorrow's (20090903) FESCo meeting

2009-09-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
The following is a list of topics to be discussed at tomorrow's FESCo meeting, at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net 243 New entry of 'Build packages for which Fedora is upstream for all language translators' review correction' for F12 schedule 238 Can libvdpau go in Fedora?

Directory draft (was Re: Triggers just to avoid unowned directories?)

2009-09-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michel Alexandre Salim (michael.silva...@gmail.com) said: Multi-ownership seems *far* preferable to me than using triggers to move files around, or moving a prelink-specific directory to the base filesystem package. Then the guidelines should be fixed to create less confusion over the

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Re: Directory draft (was Re: Triggers just to avoid unowned directories?)

2009-09-02 Thread Bill Nottingham
Toshio Kuratomi (a.bad...@gmail.com) said: Section 1.3 Optional functoinality is a special case of Section 1.5 Common directory without one requiring the other. I'd combine them like this: I've updated the proposal based on this and other feedback. And one more idea to throw out there: How

Re: pkgs in rawhide which are obsoleted by something in rawhide

2009-09-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Seth Vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) said: Working on something else I stumbled across this: http://fpaste.org/jDwM/ that's a list of pkgs in rawhide which are obsoleted by something else in rawhide. seems a bit dodgy to me. Can you file bugs? Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: Triggers just to avoid unowned directories?

2009-09-01 Thread Bill Nottingham
Robert Relyea (rrel...@redhat.com) said: triggers were the suggestion of the package reviewer to avoid multi-ownership(IIRC). If there is unanimity on what the correct solution should be, I'm sure Elio would be happy to implement it. Moving /etc/prelink.conf.d to filesystem would

Re: Add Moblin Desktop group to comps

2009-08-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Bill Nottinghamnott...@redhat.com wrote: Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: I would like to add a group for the Moblin Desktop. My proposed patch is below and feedback is welcome. ... this seems

Re: F12 to require i686, but which CPUs do not qualify?

2009-08-13 Thread Bill Nottingham
Joachim (joachim.frie...@googlemail.com) said: Moreover, it is even pulled in by basic packages like gnome-games (!). Well, you know, if you want to play sudoku, you *need* a linear algebra package. (See earlier threads about numpy dependencies in pygtk.) Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing

Re: Firefox SELinux bug from Alpha Blockers meeting.

2009-08-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) (boche...@fedoraproject.org) said: I just wanted to know if I should open a new bug report for Epiphany as SEAlert got confused or if it is indeed the same bug, in which case I'll be patient. See bug 516057. Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list

Re: UTF-8 specfiles, better upstream tarball commits coming

2009-08-10 Thread Bill Nottingham
Ville Skyttä (ville.sky...@iki.fi) said: I ran a few scripts on the CVS tree and will commit the resulting improvements in a few days to devel and rebuild changed packages if ACL's allow. Let me know if you for some reason don't want your packages touched (affected package lists

Re: 'IT Security' in comps?

2009-08-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: I considered IT might be redundant information, too, when I created the groups, but also both the terms Forensics or Wireless are not IT specific, therefore I put the IT-security explanation into the description. There can be wireless analysis that is

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jesse Keating (jkeat...@redhat.com) said: Ralf, this entire service is informational only. Maintainers don't need to do anything with this information, particularly if it isn't being filed as bugs and only provided on a webpage. They can simply ignore the information or even pretend that

Re: 'IT Security' in comps?

2009-08-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: The IT prefix is only used in the group id, which is afaik not visible to the used and not translated. No, it's not just in the description. These tools can be used to perform IT security related wireless auditing. In this example, IT security related

Re: Fedora 12 Features Proposed for Removal

2009-08-06 Thread Bill Nottingham
Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) said: From the sidelines it seems that there is a confusion on what the % actually means.  Some think that 100% means ready to be tested and others think that 100% means It's been tested, the final builds are in and all known and cared about bugs are

'IT Security' in comps? (was Re: comps comps-f12.xml.in,1.71,1.72

2009-08-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
Recently, you've added the following groups to comps: it-security-code-analysis it-security-forensics it-security-intrusion-detection it-security-reconnaissance it-security-wireless it-security-password-recovery You've also added a new toplevel category. This means this new nebulous 'IT Securty'

Re: 'IT Security' in comps?

2009-08-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: You've also added a new toplevel category. This means this new nebulous 'IT Securty' item is pushed at the toplevel, much as 'Desktops' or 'Language Support'. That seems misplaced to me. How can I bundle the groups, if not with a category? Or can

Re: F12 mass rebuild status

2009-08-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
drago01 (drag...@gmail.com) said: (done that for you http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1574035 ) I see.  I guess they'll let you and/or me know if this wasn't the right thing to do. Well rel-eng did the mass rebuild and give us a list of the failed packages,

Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jon Stanley (jonstan...@gmail.com) said: I'd like some mailman experts (if we have any) to take a look at this procedure to migrate lists from redhat.com to lists.fp.o and let me know if there's something obviously missing from it or if there's some way that it can be improved. Feel free to

Re: Suggested new Group in comps

2009-07-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Robert Rati (rr...@redhat.com) said: Right now condor is not listed in the comps file, so isn't available to install from kickstart (as I understand it). That is incorrect. All packages are available from kickstart, regardless of their status in comps. Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing

Re: Suggested new Group in comps

2009-07-30 Thread Bill Nottingham
Robert Rati (rr...@redhat.com) said: So comps just controls the list of packages available in the GUI? Correct. Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

[RFC PATCH] Disable alsa snd-pcsp driver

2009-07-29 Thread Bill Nottingham
Because ... why would you want to use this? Ever? Bill ? diff ? kern.diff ? linux-2.6.28.tar.bz2 ? patch-2.6.29-rc8-git6.bz2 ? patch-2.6.29-rc8.bz2 Index: config-generic === RCS file: /cvs/extras/rpms/kernel/devel/config-generic,v

Re: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)

2009-07-24 Thread Bill Nottingham
Mark McLoughlin (mar...@redhat.com) said: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng.ics In the F-11 schedule, we had 85 days between Feature Freeze and GA. And then GA slipped by two weeks. In the

Mass rebuild slightly delayed...

2009-07-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
... as we sort through some toolchain issues. It will start as soon as reasonably possible. Bill ___ Fedora-devel-announce mailing list fedora-devel-annou...@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce --

Re: Mass rebuild for Fedora 12

2009-07-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Axel Thimm (axel.th...@atrpms.net) said: if I touch a package today, would it need to be rebuilt, and if not, would I need to create the noautobuild file? Any package that builds after redhat-rpm-config-9.0.3-12.fc12 is added to the buildroot is OK. This has not happened yet. (waiting on a

Re: Mass rebuild for Fedora 12

2009-07-23 Thread Bill Nottingham
Axel Thimm (axel.th...@atrpms.net) said: could this be automated in a way that if a package is built after that it doesn't get tagged for the mass rebuild? This will get covered, yes. Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com

Mass rebuild for Fedora 12

2009-07-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Fedora Release Enginerering is going to be starting a mass rebuild this Thursday, July 28th, for the following Fedora 12 features: - XZ RPM Payloads - x86 Architecture Support Just as in the Fedora 11 mass rebuild, if you'd like to opt out for your packages, check a file into your

Re: Mass rebuild for Fedora 12

2009-07-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) said: Fedora Release Enginerering is going to be starting a mass rebuild this Thursday, July 28th, for the following Fedora 12 features: That would be Thursday the 23rd, as per the web page. - XZ RPM Payloads - x86 Architecture Support Bill

Re: [PATCH] build a 'full' package on i686

2009-07-20 Thread Bill Nottingham
Dave Jones (da...@redhat.com) said: +# We only build -PAE on 686. %ifarch i686 -%define with_up 0 %define with_pae 1 %else %define with_pae 0 The naming of 'with_up' is subtle here. With this change, we'll try building a '686' kernel as well as a '686-PAE'. That was

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