Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-07 Thread R. G. Newbury
Mikkel Ellertson But it is time to stop playing parent to everyone. Geoff Nope - we are not trying to play 'nanny'. If you do not see what this has to do with security, then I feel sorry for you, and hope that it is just your home system that you are putting at risk. The defaults are to

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-07 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
R. G. Newbury wrote: Of course you are playing nanny! You admit it in your response right after you deny it. The defaults are to protect people that are learning. That's my point. You are adding the job of nanny under the guise of security. That is NOT security. Geoff I would be

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
R. G. Newbury wrote: That's my point. You are adding the job of nanny under the guise of security. That is NOT security. Boy, this is getting old. If you run as root, any bug that allows for remote code execution is an immediate root compromise, with no need for any privilege escalation. If

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-07 Thread homburg
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:50:29 -0500 R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorta like your mother probably did many times when you were a child. But it is time to stop playing parent to everyone. That sums it up -- the nanny culture. I am very conservative with my server (running Centos

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-06 Thread R. G. Newbury
No - GUIs run as root are not as secure. A bug that would be caught when running as a user may not be caught when running as root. A bug or a permissions error. Please explain how a BUG could or would be treated differently depending on the user? The more code you have running as root, the

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-06 Thread Fred Silsbee
--- On Sun, 12/7/08, R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Root in FC10 To: fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 12:50 AM No - GUIs run as root are not as secure. A bug that would be caught when running as a user

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-06 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
R. G. Newbury wrote: No - GUIs run as root are not as secure. A bug that would be caught when running as a user may not be caught when running as root. A bug or a permissions error. Please explain how a BUG could or would be treated differently depending on the user? Trying to read or

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-06 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Fred Silsbee wrote: well said! Talking to yourself now? Mikkel -- I am not a number, I am an individual with a unique number. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-06 Thread Fred Silsbee
--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Root in FC10 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 3:10 AM R. G. Newbury

Re: Root in FC10

2008-12-06 Thread Fred Silsbee
--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mikkel L. Ellertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Root in FC10 To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 3:12 AM Fred Silsbee wrote