Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-13 Thread Bob Marcan
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:24:20 -0700 Daniel B. Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... As I am writing from M$-Outlook, I found that Evo (and possibly KMail), filled up my inbox folders expotentally with multiple copies of multiple emails. I had to shut down all email clients on F8 to see if the

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-13 Thread Robin Laing
Steve T wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I was dealing with Exchange server, I surely would be using Evolution and the Exchange connector. I have been using Exchange connector on and off for several years and it has become better. However it is

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-12 Thread Mike Chambers
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 14:04 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Even though EVO's GUI sucks for configurability (fonts for each pane, default message title-bar for each directory(folder) {I want Subject: Sender: Date and not Sender:Subject:Date for example}, default thread message collapse for

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-12 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 23:30 -0700, Mike Chambers wrote: On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 14:04 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Even though EVO's GUI sucks for configurability (fonts for each pane, default message title-bar for each directory(folder) {I want Subject: Sender: Date and not

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-12 Thread Chris Jones
I've been using kmail for several years. Tried evo and hated it - of course that was years ago, so it may be quite different now. Tried Thunderbird, but there were too many things in kmail that I couldn't do in t'bird, so here I stay :-) I also used to use kmail a lot but eventually gave

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-12 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 12 June 2008 15:22:54 Chris Jones wrote: I've been using kmail for several years. Tried evo and hated it - of course that was years ago, so it may be quite different now. Tried Thunderbird, but there were too many things in kmail that I couldn't do in t'bird, so here I stay

RE: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-12 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 12 June 2008 15:22:54 Chris Jones wrote: I've been using kmail for several years. Tried evo and hated it - of course that was years ago, so it may be quite different now. Tried Thunderbird, but there were too many things in kmail that I couldn't do

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-12 Thread Steve T
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I was dealing with Exchange server, I surely would be using Evolution and the Exchange connector. I have been using Exchange connector on and off for several years and it has become better. However it is still very

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-12 Thread Anne Wilson
On Thursday 12 June 2008 16:24:20 Daniel B. Thurman wrote: (I wonder if Daniel was using dimap when he complained of multiple copies of messages?  That's the reason I gave up, when I tested it.) As I am writing from M$-Outlook, I found that Evo (and possibly KMail), filled up my inbox

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-12 Thread Robin Laing
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 12 June 2008 15:22:54 Chris Jones wrote: each having it's own particulars. I think I'll try seakmonkey next, and see what it offers. Dan Don't be surprised if it is the same as Thunderbird for you. My wife runs it and I don't see

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-12 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
Robin Laing wrote: Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 12 June 2008 15:22:54 Chris Jones wrote: each having it's own particulars. I think I'll try seakmonkey next, and see what it offers. Dan Don't be surprised if it is the same as Thunderbird for you. My wife runs

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-11 Thread Mike Chambers
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 18:01 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Too general. The SpamAssassin plugin was inclined to leave extra processes lying around and was more trouble than it was worth (SA is really more suitable for mail servers), but recent Evo's also support the Bogofilter plugin which

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-11 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 07:57:24 Mike Chambers wrote: On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 18:01 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Too general. The SpamAssassin plugin was inclined to leave extra processes lying around and was more trouble than it was worth (SA is really more suitable for mail servers),

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 10:09 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008 07:57:24 Mike Chambers wrote: On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 18:01 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Too general. The SpamAssassin plugin was inclined to leave extra processes lying around and was more trouble than it

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-11 Thread Anne Wilson
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 13:39:42 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 10:09 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2008 07:57:24 Mike Chambers wrote: On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 18:01 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Too general. The SpamAssassin plugin was inclined to

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-11 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:56 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 11:08:46 am linuxguy wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes [snip!] Is anyone using Thunderbird

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-11 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 14:04 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:56 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 11:08:46 am linuxguy wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-11 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/6/11 Daniel B. Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [ snip ] Well... I'd have to say that KMail is not for me. It *really* sucks with threading turned on. Are you referring to KMail in DE 3.5? Kmail has (or is soon to be updated) -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com )

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-11 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 14:12 -0700, Craig White wrote: [...] still...for exchange server and evolution, I would recommend that you set up the Exchange connector instead of IMAP. Yes, as bad as the Exchange connector is, my recent experience without it convinced me that IMAP is ever so much

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-11 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 14:12 -0700, Craig White wrote: [...] still...for exchange server and evolution, I would recommend that you set up the Exchange connector instead of IMAP. Yes, as bad as the Exchange connector

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-10 Thread Stuart Sears
Reik Red wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait a minute. People are talking about using maildir format instead of mbox format. Fine. But the original question was about local/offline storage, not the server storage. You can still

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-10 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 09 June 2008 22:05:23 Aaron Konstam wrote: And what happens if you have 150,000 individual messages and you want to delete a thread? You think that will be faster than with a single mbox file? I doubt it. Of course. Read again what I said. Anne signature.asc Description: This is

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-10 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 09 June 2008 22:24:36 Rick Stevens wrote: I believe mbox would be much slower.  Deleting a thread would force the system to search through the entire file to find the messages, delete them, then compact the file to close up the space (there'd be a lot of fairly big holes in that

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-10 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 09 June 2008 20:36:42 Arthur Pemberton wrote: 2008/6/9 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:56:51 Dan Thurman wrote: 2) I have tried Kmail and again, it has it's own set of problems, one involving threads, Such as? KMail used to crash a lot, That

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-10 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 18:42 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:56 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 11:08:46 am linuxguy wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-10 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 08:41 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 18:42 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:56 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 11:08:46 am linuxguy wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-10 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 15:09 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 06:53 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 08:41 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 18:42 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:56 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: On Monday

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 1:08 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes mail folders while it is downloading emails from the server. When it does this, it goes

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules.   The largest folder has about 150,000 messages in it.  The smallest one has 5,000 messages in it. Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ?  How does it

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 12:08 -0600, linuxguy wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes mail folders while it is downloading emails from the server. When it does this, it goes into a death

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread linuxguy
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:21 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages in it. The smallest one has 5,000 messages in

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Stuart Sears
linuxguy wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:21 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages in it. The smallest one has 5,000

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Bill Davidsen
linuxguy wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes mail folders while it is downloading emails from the server. When it does this, it goes into a death spiral of saving folder and Retrieving

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Chris
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:31:54 -0600 linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:21 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Dan Thurman
On Monday 09 June 2008 11:08:46 am linuxguy wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8.  I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes [snip!] Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ?  How does it compare ?  How hard is it to move over to it

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 09 June 2008 19:31:54 linuxguy wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:21 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2008/6/9 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:56:51 Dan Thurman wrote: 2) I have tried Kmail and again, it has it's own set of problems, one involving threads, Such as? KMail used to crash a lot, and was terrible at filtering. And then got ignored quite a bit with 4.0

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Nataraj
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:56 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 11:08:46 am linuxguy wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes [snip!] Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ?

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
Rick Stevens wrote: I believe mbox would be much slower. Deleting a thread would force the system to search through the entire file to find the messages, delete them, then compact the file to close up the space (there'd be a lot of fairly big holes in that file). Compacting only happens if

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread reikred
Wait a minute. People are talking about using maildir format instead of mbox format. Fine. But the original question was about local/offline storage, not the server storage. The server side in the original question was gmail+IMAP. Who knows what gmail does internally, but that does not seem

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait a minute. People are talking about using maildir format instead of mbox format. Fine. But the original question was about local/offline storage, not the server storage. You can still (sometimes) choose between mbox and mail dir

Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?

2008-06-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 16:05 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:56 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:31:54 linuxguy wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:21 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: My email setup is 6