Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-28 Thread Tim
Tim: We had the smolt thing that sends a hardware report off to a database. There's a certain presumption that regular monthly updates by your client indicates that your hardware does actually work. See: http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/ (and don't forget to have a look at the various

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-27 Thread Sawrub
On 11/26/2009 05:03 AM, Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:28 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Craig White writes: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:14 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Craig White writes: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:20 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-27 Thread Mike Cloaked
at the various statistics). Indeed and a minute ago I notice that currently the OS page shows F11 50.7% and F12 11.6% - I wonder if the ratio of F12 to F11 users will change markedly over the next month? -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Is-F12-ready-to-upgradeIs-it-worth

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/28/2009 01:29 AM, Mike Cloaked wrote: Indeed and a minute ago I notice that currently the OS page shows F11 50.7% and F12 11.6% - I wonder if the ratio of F12 to F11 users will change markedly over the next month? You can look at the current growth rate and for previous releases at:

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-26 Thread Timothy Murphy
Tim wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? On a support list you, typically, see more problems than all is well postings. It surprises me that there is not a greater attempt to get feed-back

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-26 Thread Terry Barnaby
On 11/26/2009 12:53 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Tim wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? On a support list you, typically, see more problems than all is well postings. It surprises me that

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-26 Thread Timothy Murphy
Terry Barnaby wrote: It surprises me that there is not a greater attempt to get feed-back on the frequency of problems, or equally, the lack of problems. I would have thought it would be relatively easy to design an online form that Fedora users could be asked to complete. There are

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-26 Thread Terry Barnaby
On 11/26/2009 02:08 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Terry Barnaby wrote: It surprises me that there is not a greater attempt to get feed-back on the frequency of problems, or equally, the lack of problems. I would have thought it would be relatively easy to design an online form that Fedora users

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-26 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 12:53 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: It surprises me that there is not a greater attempt to get feed-back on the frequency of problems, or equally, the lack of problems. I would have thought it would be relatively easy to design an online form that Fedora users could be

Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Linuxguy123
I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? I was expecting a totally different response. Is F12 stable enough to warrant upgrading to it ? Is it a worthwhile upgrade at this point ? Thanks. --

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 09:13 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? I was expecting a totally different response. Is F12 stable enough to warrant upgrading to it ? Is it

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Linuxguy123
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 09:19 -0700, Craig White wrote: Problems seem to relate to nVidia video, kernel mode setting. Tell us more... I'm reading a lot of posts here but not getting the picture. Which nvidia devices, which driver (nvidia proprietary or nouveau) and what is the work around if it

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:13:38 -0700 Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? I installed from scratch on a new partition as I always do, and had virtually no problems. I find f12 to be

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread John Austin
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 12:15 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:13:38 -0700 Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? I installed from scratch on a new partition as

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/25/2009 05:13 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? AFAICT, almost all of the upgrade issues are related to preupgrade demands on /boot's sizes ;-) I was expecting a

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 12:15 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:13:38 -0700 Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? I installed from scratch on a new partition as

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:20 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/25/2009 05:13 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? AFAICT, almost all of the upgrade issues are related to

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread stan
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:13:38 -0700 Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? Remember the bias here is *heavily* in favor of those with problems. I doubt the

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/25/2009 10:58 PM, Craig White wrote: I think perhaps preupgrade should automatically remove all but the latest and if not the same, the currently running kernel to make all possible space in /boot. By automatically, if you mean, do after prompting, it isn't a bad idea. Please file a

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 22:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 11/25/2009 10:58 PM, Craig White wrote: I think perhaps preupgrade should automatically remove all but the latest and if not the same, the currently running kernel to make all possible space in /boot. By automatically, if

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Jonathan Gardner
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: Is F12 stable enough to warrant upgrading to it ? It seems to be for me. It actually seems a little happier than my F10 was. preupgrade worked fine. Much stabler than I expected. -- Jonathan Gardner

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread BobW
I have upgraded one desk top and one laptop successully. I had a small glitch on the laptop in that I didn't have a tool bar. I found that that was caused by my installing it while it was in the (senior momemt). desktop cradle and the monitor settings were incorrect probably due to the kvm switch.

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Peter Boy
Am Mittwoch, den 25.11.2009, 09:13 -0700 schrieb Linuxguy123: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? I was expecting a totally different response. You should take into account that all those people

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/26/2009 01:07 AM, Peter Boy wrote: F12 has some new features (see release notes) which come in quite handy for me and I'm luckily using some of them. I am curious, which features in particular? Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Tom Horsley writes: On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:13:38 -0700 Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? I installed from scratch on a new partition as I always do, and had virtually no

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Craig White writes: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:20 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/25/2009 05:13 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? AFAICT, almost all of the upgrade

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:14 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Craig White writes: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:20 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/25/2009 05:13 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Craig White writes: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:14 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Craig White writes: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:20 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/25/2009 05:13 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:28 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Craig White writes: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:14 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Craig White writes: On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 18:20 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/25/2009 05:13 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Ed Greshko
Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? Normally, the folks not having problems don't feel the urge to type. Those having problems feel the need to type. :-0 I was expecting a

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread David Lam
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? Normally, the folks not having problems don't feel the urge to

Re: Is F12 ready to upgrade ? Is it worth it ?

2009-11-25 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 09:13 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm perplexed by the posts I am seeing regarding F12 upgrades. Lots of upgrade issues and darn faint praise as far as I can tell ? On a support list you, typically, see more problems than all is well postings. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname