Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-08-01 Thread gilpel
David Chipman wrote: PS: These ombuds may be more for issues related to online/broadcast content, and not technologies involved, but it's something to try! Even on content issues, pressure groups rule. Most cases where the ombudsman acts are when the case could go to court, for instance, in

Re: Canada-Radio Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-30 Thread gilpel
Frank Murphy wrote: It appears to be the java confusing totem, as it will play if linked directly: http://www.radio-canada.ca/util/endirect/rdidirect.asx Honestly, I don't have the slightest idea on the matter. I know there was a gstreamer update today: Jul 30 14:57:45 Updated:

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-30 Thread gilpel
Note: Sorry, thee preceding mess wasn't the answer I was planning to send. Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 07/28/2009 09:56 AM, gil...@altern.org wrote: Tim replied that asx files were needed in pages where the video is embedded. You didn't answer Tim. It wasn't a question. No, you got this

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-30 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Friday 31 July 2009 01:43:39 gil...@altern.org wrote: Yes. You have been told many times already. Fedora CANNOT include mplayer due to legal reasons (ie) some of these codecs infringe on US patents and redistribution of codecs for a distribution legally based in US would invite

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-30 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 05:43 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: Codecs that can be included by everybody and good quality (good), codecs that are of not good enough quality (bad), misc (bad-extras), codecs that are good quality but have patent issues (ugly) and finally a interface to ffmeg

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-30 Thread Ed Greshko
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 05:43 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: Codecs that can be included by everybody and good quality (good), codecs that are of not good enough quality (bad), misc (bad-extras), codecs that are good quality but have patent

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-30 Thread Michael Leung
Anyway, Linux is quite working fine for myself. I can watch video and listen radio online. On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 05:43 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: Codecs that can be included by

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-28 Thread Frank Murphy
On 28/07/09 04:51, gil...@altern.org wrote: Then, nobody would have known that Totem doesn't work at Radio-Canada or, who knows, maybe anytime it has to deal with an .asx file. End. As an aside, the Fluendo bundle doesn't even work on the Canada site. and they are licensed codecs, I

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-28 Thread David Christopher Chipman
. and they are licensed codecs, I believe? Hi all, I've ben following this discussion since it wsa called Ranter or Evangelist. There have been good (if misdirected) points made by all. Now, about the CBC/SRC websites, they do have Ombudsmen. For the English service, the ombud is Mr. Vince Carlin, at ombuds

Canada-Radio Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-28 Thread Frank Murphy
On 26/07/09 21:35, gil...@altern.org wrote: On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 09:23 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: And I've only had the briefest look at the Radio Canada website you've mentioned, primarily because I can't read French. It's too difficult trying to figure out what to do on a website

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Frank Murphy
On 25/07/09 05:23, gil...@altern.org wrote: snip I'm eager to know if any of you managed to read wmv at Radio-Canada. There's even a link on the homepage: http://www.radio-canada.ca/ for RDI en Direct, which is also wmv. Silverlight is required on Windows for that link. Checked on my

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Ed Greshko
Frank Murphy wrote: On 25/07/09 05:23, gil...@altern.org wrote: snip I'm eager to know if any of you managed to read wmv at Radio-Canada. There's even a link on the homepage: http://www.radio-canada.ca/ for RDI en Direct, which is also wmv. Silverlight is required on Windows for that

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Alan Cox
I didn't say using wmv was the problem If you don't, well, I do. Using proprietary formats on state television is ABSOLUTELY inacceptable. So fix the tv company. So, MPlayer must be included instead of Totem. From what I read everywhere, MPlayer does better. If the devil is behind

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Frank Murphy
On 27/07/09 09:12, Ed Greshko wrote: That is interestingbut do you consider is significant in any way? Yes, I always thought Moonlight was required. I mean this in light of Everything works fine on RHELv4 with mplayer and its plugins. Then is RHEL including *forbidden* codecs?

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Ed Greshko
Frank Murphy wrote: On 27/07/09 09:12, Ed Greshko wrote: That is interestingbut do you consider is significant in any way? Yes, I always thought Moonlight was required. I see... I mean this in light of Everything works fine on RHELv4 with mplayer and its plugins. Then is RHEL

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:12:26 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: On 25/07/09 05:23, gil...@altern.org wrote: snip I'm eager to know if any of you managed to read wmv at Radio-Canada. There's even a link on the homepage: http://www.radio-canada.ca/ for RDI en Direct,

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 27 July 2009 03:06:34 gil...@altern.org wrote: I didn't say using wmv was the problem If you don't, well, I do. Using proprietary formats on state television is ABSOLUTELY inacceptable. Then go complain to the TV station and educate *them* that they made a bad choice of format.

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread max bianco
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Marko Vojinovicvvma...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 27 July 2009 03:06:34 gil...@altern.org wrote: I didn't say using wmv was the problem If you don't, well, I do. Using proprietary formats on state television is ABSOLUTELY inacceptable. Then go complain to

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread gilpel
gil...@altern.org wrote: I can't file the bugzilla. If I do, developers will point out all the shenanigans involved in getting from asx to mwv, pretend that it's a Linux users scare away technique used by Microsoft -- and they'd be right about this -- and I'm completely lost in those

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Ed Greshko
gil...@altern.org wrote: gil...@altern.org wrote: I can't file the bugzilla. If I do, developers will point out all the shenanigans involved in getting from asx to mwv, pretend that it's a Linux users scare away technique used by Microsoft -- and they'd be right about this -- and

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/28/2009 08:31 AM, gil...@altern.org wrote: Now, while you use this software and Rahul Sundaram even thinks it's great, you say I should take time filling bugs reports. I have never said it is great. Just that it works for me. You fail to understand that Fedora cannot include the

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread gilpel
Ed wrote: Then, do the list a favor If you find something wrong with something you *don't* usekeep you fingers off the keyboard. Then, nobody would have known that Totem doesn't work at Radio-Canada or, who knows, maybe anytime it has to deal with an .asx file. End. -- fedora-list

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Ed Greshko
gil...@altern.org wrote: Ed wrote: Then, do the list a favor If you find something wrong with something you *don't* usekeep you fingers off the keyboard. Then, nobody would have known that Totem doesn't work at Radio-Canada or, who knows, maybe anytime it has to deal with

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread gilpel
Rahul Sundaram wrote: I have never said it is great. Just that it works for me. You fail to understand that Fedora cannot include the gstreamer codecs or mplayer due to legal and not technical reasons. Let's see. Totem uses the gstreamer codecs and Totem is included in Fedora. When you include

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/28/2009 09:56 AM, gil...@altern.org wrote: Tim replied that asx files were needed in pages where the video is embedded. You didn't answer Tim. It wasn't a question. I didn't find any need to answer it. I have no need to watch the site in question and the problems in that site is of no

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-27 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 09:26 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: Tim replied that asx files were needed in pages where the video is embedded. You didn't answer Tim. Um, no, I didn't... You're expanding what I said, incorrectly. Sure, asx files *can* be one of the methods used. And they're not

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread gilpel
RAhul Sandaram wrote: On 07/25/2009 09:53 AM, gil...@altern.org wrote: Jul 23 15:45:05 Updated: brasero-libs-2.26.3-1.fc11.x86_64 Maybe the 32 bit version that you use always worked, I have no idea. I inquired about this too and had no answer. I can't discuss the matter further NOW. Sorry.

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 09:23 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: I don't remember receiving a single answer to the problem I was facing: WMV didn't play at Radio-Canada with Totem. You're not likely to get answers to questions in an e-mail that's unrelated to the message topic. People look at the

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread David Christopher Chipman
Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 09:23 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: I don't remember receiving a single answer to the problem I was facing: WMV didn't play at Radio-Canada with Totem. You're not likely to get answers to questions in an e-mail that's unrelated to the message topic.

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread gilpel
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 09:23 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: And I've only had the briefest look at the Radio Canada website you've mentioned, primarily because I can't read French. It's too difficult trying to figure out what to do on a website that's in a foreign language. I won't be the

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread gilpel
David Christopher Chipman wrote: Hi Tim, If you're interested in helping him out, why don't you try cbc.ca? It's the same organization (Radio-Canada is the name of the French language broadcasting services of the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation). I don't believe the CBC uses WMV. All

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/26/2009 12:28 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote: If bugzilla had any effect don't you think that users would stop doing the let's see if this other application works dance all the time? My feeling is bugzilla works only for kernel developers. Your feeling is wrong since bugzilla is hardly

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread gilpel
On 07/26/2009 12:28 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote: If bugzilla had any effect don't you think that users would stop doing the let's see if this other application works dance all the time? My feeling is bugzilla works only for kernel developers. Your feeling is wrong since bugzilla is hardly

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/27/2009 04:34 AM, gil...@altern.org wrote: They use git, which is not really a bugzilla, but bugs do get fixed before release. Git is a source code management system and not a bug tracker. You are confusing things. You are absolutely right. THE problem is the SRC using the WMV format

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread Alan Cox
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 01:13:59 +0530 Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On 07/26/2009 12:28 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote: If bugzilla had any effect don't you think that users would stop doing the let's see if this other application works dance all the time? My feeling is

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread gilpel
Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 07/27/2009 04:34 AM, gil...@altern.org wrote: They use git, which is not really a bugzilla, but bugs do get fixed before release. Git is a source code management system and not a bug tracker. You are confusing things. You are absolutely right. THE problem is the

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread Ed Greshko
Rahul Sundaram wrote: You are absolutely right. THE problem is the SRC using the WMV format and Microsoft servers with all their shenanigans. I didn't say using wmv was the problem although if they had included it in a open format - Ogg, Firefox 3.5 in Fedora 11 would have played it

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread gilpel
Ed Greshko wrote: I think the OP is looking to have someone verify his findings. So, consider the problem verified. Lord! Thank you so much? Now, the Question becomes is does the OP want to file the bugzilla or allow someone else to do it for him. I can't file the bugzilla. If I do,

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread Ed Greshko
gil...@altern.org wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: I think the OP is looking to have someone verify his findings. So, consider the problem verified. Lord! Thank you so much? Now, the Question becomes is does the OP want to file the bugzilla or allow someone else to do it for him.

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 01:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: They don't seem to supply a WMV file directly instead providing some javascript based tricks. There are many instances like these which are the fault of web developers relying on IE specific things. It's typical to use an indirect

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 01:38 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: As I just said to Tim, when all that counts is to see if a video plays correctly or not, language is irrelevant. That site is full of stuff, I can't tell what I'm looking for. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-26 Thread Ed Greshko
Tim wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 01:38 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: As I just said to Tim, when all that counts is to see if a video plays correctly or not, language is irrelevant. That site is full of stuff, I can't tell what I'm looking for. http://tinyurl.com/mnxvaf

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-25 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:21:26 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson mik...@infinity-ltd.com wrote: Even that is not a sure measure. How many people are using user agent switchers to fool sites about what browser they are using? At home I don't supply one when using firefox. (I used to have a patched

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/25/2009 09:53 AM, gil...@altern.org wrote: Jul 23 15:45:05 Updated: brasero-libs-2.26.3-1.fc11.x86_64 Maybe the 32 bit version that you use always worked, I have no idea. I inquired about this too and had no answer. I can't discuss the matter further NOW. Sorry. Since you are

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-24 Thread gilpel
'tonio wrote: The stories about Microsoft releasing code, was more of a another way to cover up for a GPL violation :( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/23/microsoft_hyperv_gpl_violation/ http://www.osnews.com/story/21882/Microsoft_s_Linux_Kernel_Code_Drop_Result_of_GPL_Violation Not

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-24 Thread gilpel
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:24 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: (1) BTW, the only Karl 1.2 on this list is the allusion made by Tim. http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22karl+1.2%22ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a When I'm told I have a model, I'd really appreciate

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-24 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
gil...@altern.org wrote: Peter Gordon wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 11:33 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: Microsoft has 90% of market share, Linux only 1% and people at Microsoft certainly are very glad. So, why should we be sad? Wouldn't this be giving Microsoft an edge in gladness? First

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-24 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
gil...@altern.org wrote: So, Karl Larson said that immetrial things like having a CD/DVD burner that doesn't work in a final release was a bad idea? I suppose that having to reselect what you want to copy in klipper for 4-5 years looks very immaterial to you. Then, why don't you correct

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-24 Thread gilpel
gil...@altern.org wrote: I would bet that Ubuntu has pretty much all bugs I have noted until now So, I can't see what's the difference. Don't guess. Try it and find out. I tried it and found out. After using Amarok for 15 minutes, i couldn't log in anymore: both my passwords had been

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/25/2009 04:17 AM, gil...@altern.org wrote: That's what rawhide is for. I see no purpose in releasing a final version with, for instance, Brasero not working, and Totem not much either, I'm afraid. You have repeated this too many times but both work just fine for me. If you have

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-24 Thread gilpel
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:16:24 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 07/25/2009 04:17 AM, gilpel altern org wrote: That's what rawhide is for. I see no purpose in releasing a final version with, for instance, Brasero not working, and Totem not much either, I'm afraid. You have repeated this too

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-23 Thread Frank Murphy
On 23/07/09 01:05, Michael Leung wrote: I think Linux is much more than 1%. Maybe we can get Back patches and colours Regards, Frank -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines:

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-23 Thread gilpel
Peter Gordon wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 11:33 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: Microsoft has 90% of market share, Linux only 1% and people at Microsoft certainly are very glad. So, why should we be sad? Wouldn't this be giving Microsoft an edge in gladness? First of all, Linux market

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-23 Thread gilpel
'Tonio wrote: Micro$oft is losing out to google, Twitter, Facebook and others. In a last ditch effort. Micro$oft is releasing code to linux. Check out this at distrowatch. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090720 Since Linux is strongon th server market, they want to attract them

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-23 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:24 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: (1) BTW, the only Karl 1.2 on this list is the allusion made by Tim. http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22karl+1.2%22ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a When I'm told I have a model, I'd really appreciate to

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-23 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Thu, 7/23/09, gil...@altern.org gil...@altern.org wrote: From: gil...@altern.org gil...@altern.org Subject: Re: Ranter or evangelist? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 10:32 PM 'Tonio wrote

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-22 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Tue, 7/21/09, gil...@altern.org gil...@altern.org wrote: From: gil...@altern.org gil...@altern.org Subject: Re: Ranter or evangelist? To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 11:33 PM On Tue, 2009

[Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-22 Thread Peter Gordon
On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 11:33 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: Microsoft has 90% of market share, Linux only 1% and people at Microsoft certainly are very glad. So, why should we be sad? Wouldn't this be giving Microsoft an edge in gladness? First of all, Linux market share is a very difficult

Re: [Slightly OT] Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-22 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 01:46 -0700, Peter Gordon wrote: GNU/Linux, indeed most F/OSS on the other hand, has been spread by advocacy, passed among friends, et al. We don't have more than 12 million users because we're defacto. Not by a long shot. We as a community have EARNED those

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-22 Thread Michael Leung
I think Linux is much more than 1%. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Antonio Olivares olivares14...@yahoo.comwrote: --- On Tue, 7/21/09, gil...@altern.org gil...@altern.org wrote: From: gil...@altern.org gil...@altern.org Subject: Re: Ranter or evangelist? To: Community assistance

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-21 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 01:23 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: I'm sure people who are playing the game of reverse engineering the codecs and making sure that everything works despite all Microsoft attempts (1) will keep on doing so in another 18 years from now, even with only 0....1% of

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-21 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 08:08 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: Excuse me for being rude No. Oh, and I'm middle-aged, and run a debt free business. Being doing so for over twenty years. i.e. I live in the real world, and one that's well managed. The one needing to get a clue, here, is you. You

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-21 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 04:20 +0930, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 01:23 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: I'm sure people who are playing the game of reverse engineering the codecs and making sure that everything works despite all Microsoft attempts (1) will keep on doing so in another 18

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-21 Thread David
On 7/21/2009 6:52 PM, Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 04:20 +0930, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 01:23 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: I'm sure people who are playing the game of reverse engineering the codecs and making sure that everything works despite all Microsoft attempts

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-21 Thread Aldo Foot
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Daviddgbo...@comcast.net wrote: On 7/21/2009 6:52 PM, Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 04:20 +0930, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 01:23 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: I'm sure people who are playing the game of reverse engineering the codecs and

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-21 Thread gilpel
On 7/21/2009 6:52 PM, Craig White wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-22 at 04:20 +0930, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 01:23 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: I'm sure people who are playing the game of reverse engineering the codecs and making sure that everything works despite all Microsoft attempts

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-21 Thread gilpel
On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 08:08 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: Excuse me for being rude No. Oh, and I'm middle-aged, and run a debt free business. Being doing so for over twenty years. i.e. I live in the real world, and one that's well managed. The one needing to get a clue, here, is you.

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-20 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:24:27 +0530, Rahul wrote: There is no Pirut in Fedora 11. It's still provided as a virtual package by gnome-packagekit. That alone can be a source of confusion, particularly if old howtos/faqs continue to work. $ sudo yum install pirut [...]

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-20 Thread Tim
Tim: The system can't really make magic decisions that a user is doing something dumb, e.g. wildcarding, in a too simplistic manner. Users need to learn not to do wildcarding without due care. Usually, they learn that through committing mistakes. *You* asked for it, you got it. It's not

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-20 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 09:31 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: It's really weird. I already said that you have a gift for explaining, which means you're certainly not completely dumb. How come you can't understand the importance of market share for Linux? a. This is Linux, other than for the few

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-20 Thread David
On 7/20/2009 5:36 AM, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 09:31 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: It's really weird. I already said that you have a gift for explaining, which means you're certainly not completely dumb. How come you can't understand the importance of market share for Linux? a.

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-20 Thread gilpel
RAhul Sundaram wrote: There is no Pirut in Fedora 11. I thought that was how the graphical interface was called. I checked. it's gpk-application 2.27.3 , just as for everybody, I guess. If you search for a word in PackageKit, it will use wild cards to get the full list of packages that

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 07/20/2009 11:51 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote: This looks nice, but it's pain to get XMMS working for a newbie and the application is considered legacy. Wouldn't it be nice if it wasn't in the list of applications that are suggested to install with mplayer? I'm sure people who love XMMS

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-20 Thread gilpel
On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 09:31 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: It's really weird. I already said that you have a gift for explaining, which means you're certainly not completely dumb. How come you can't understand the importance of market share for Linux? a. This is Linux, other than for the few

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-20 Thread gilpel
On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 09:31 +0500, gil...@altern.org wrote: It's really weird. I already said that you have a gift for explaining, which means you're certainly not completely dumb. How come you can't understand the importance of market share for Linux? a. This is Linux, other than for the few

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-20 Thread Ed Greshko
gil...@altern.org wrote: I've suggested you read From Microsoft Word to Microsoft World, Tim. I haven't received one single word of comment. Have you just taken a look at the document? Do you read fuckin' manuals other than about programming? Did you ever read about administration principles?

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-20 Thread gilpel
Of course, if you've been following the FSF circus, you might have learned that GPL3 was out on 29 June 2007: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt Countrary to GPL2, I must admit I never read this mumbo-jumbo legalese. I doubt Torvalds ever did either. I believe the kernel is still GPL2. So,

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-20 Thread gilpel
Of course, if you've been following the FSF on the matter, you might have learned that the GPL3 was published on 29 June 2007: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt Unfortunately, countrary to the GPL2. I never got to read this senseless mumbo-jumbo, I can't even fathom under which version

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:34:22 -0400 (EDT), gilpel altern org wrote: I've used XMMS in the past and my experience was so bad that I wouldn't have reinstalled it for all the money in the world. (All the money... Hum, maybe :) And I installed Rhythmbox when Antonio suggested this application. I

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread Tim
Tim: This project works differently than Apple Computers. gil...@altern.org: And, after 18 years, we have 1% of market share on the desktop. Commercial software considers market domination to be an indicator of success. Others consider it successful when it does what they want it to,

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 14:30 -0700, jackson byers wrote: the cmdline operation of mplayer does work for me and no skips! [unlike totem which has a gui, but lots of skips] mplayer with a gui that worked, with its own volume control would be nice There's gnome-mplayer (there's probably a KDE

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread jackson byers
Tim wrote There's gnome-mplayer (there's probably a KDE variant), and smplayer, to try out, at least. I have used GUI programs like XMMS or Audacious to play streams, but sometimes you need to tweak the preferences, to increase cache sizing, to avoid skips. Totem is too much of a black box (not

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread gilpel
Michael Schwendt wrote: Do you still have a /var/log/yum.log? Or perhaps you can draw conclusions from looking at the output of rpm -qa --last|less? less /var/log/yum.log | grep xmms Jul 11 12:47:25 Installed: 1:xmms-libs-1.2.11-5.20071117cvs.fc11.x86_64 Jul 11 12:47:26 Installed:

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:33:31 -0400 (EDT), gilpel altern org wrote: Michael Schwendt wrote: Do you still have a /var/log/yum.log? Or perhaps you can draw conclusions from looking at the output of rpm -qa --last|less? less /var/log/yum.log | grep xmms Jul 11 12:47:25 Installed:

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread gilpel
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:33:31 -0400 (EDT), gilpel altern org wrote: Michael Schwendt wrote: Do you still have a /var/log/yum.log? Or perhaps you can draw conclusions from looking at the output of rpm -qa --last|less? less /var/log/yum.log | grep xmms Jul 11 12:47:25 Installed:

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 16:33 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote: Is anybody anywhere taking notice of the problems new Fedora users experience on this mailing list? Ever read The boy who cried wolf? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 19:22 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote: Since I wanted to make sure I'd have all components needed to have a nice working MPlayer system, I just installed pretty much everything that was suggested. Had I looked more closely, I would have deselected anything with the name

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread gilpel
On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 19:22 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote: Since I wanted to make sure I'd have all components needed to have a nice working MPlayer system, I just installed pretty much everything that was suggested. Had I looked more closely, I would have deselected anything with the name

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:04:14 +0500 (GMT-5), gilpel wrote: On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 19:22 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote: Since I wanted to make sure I'd have all components needed to have a nice working MPlayer system, I just installed pretty much everything that was suggested. Had I looked

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread gilpel
Tim: This project works differently than Apple Computers. gil...@altern.org: And, after 18 years, we have 1% of market share on the desktop. Commercial software considers market domination to be an indicator of success. Others consider it successful when it does what they want it to,

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-19 Thread gilpel
Tim wrote There's gnome-mplayer (there's probably a KDE variant), and smplayer, to try out, at least. I have used GUI programs like XMMS or Audacious to play streams, but sometimes you need to tweak the preferences, to increase cache sizing, to avoid skips. Totem is too much of a black box

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-18 Thread gilpel
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:26:51 -0400 (EDT), gilpel wrote: Why is it that, when I insert an audio disk, I see it as an audio disk on my desktop, but when I click it, GNOME shows the .wav files that are present. No application is suggested, even under Open, to play the damned music. If I go to

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-18 Thread gilpel
Shannon McMackin wroteÈ Here's a better guide for you to follow... http://www.fedoraguide.info/index.php?title=Main_Page Thanks! I didn't have it in my bookmarks. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-18 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:57:19 -0400 (EDT), gilpel altern org wrote: If I go to Application, sound and video, the first option, Audio Player, opens XMMS. When I've used XMMS, in the past, Yup, in the past, you too? We're in the present, you know? Then don't install it. It doesn't get

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-18 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:03:37 -0400 (EDT), gilpel altern org wrote: Rhythmbox does pretty much the same as Amarok, it plays CDs and it uses GTK. At first sight, it looks to me like a good candidate. If its size is larger than XMMS, it should be downloaded after installation. Rhythmbox is

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-18 Thread Tim
Tim: Though it could be that you haven't installed any capable applications that inform Gnome that they're available as a CDDA handler. gil...@altern.org What's the capable application? One that's capable of playing CDs, as opposed to one that isn't. Why isn't the capable application

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-18 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 10:33 -0700, jackson byers wrote: any suggestions for command line playing of radio internet streams? mplayer http://example.com or, mplayer -playlist http://example.com (with example.com being just an example internet address, not an actual one). -- [...@localhost ~]$

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-18 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 01:03 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote: But suggesting to friends that they use XMMS and type meaningless scribbles to make a CD play would make one look like a loonie and suggesting to install something else will rightfully bring the following question: Why is it not the

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-18 Thread jackson byers
Tim wrote: jackson byers wrote: any suggestions for command line playing of radio internet streams? mplayer http://example.com or, mplayer -playlist http://example.com [by...@f10 ~]$ mplayer http://www.abacast.com/media/pls/kcsm/kcsm-kcsm-sc32.pls MPlayer SVN-r28461-4.3.2 (C) 2000-2009

Re: Ranter or evangelist?

2009-07-18 Thread gilpel
Tim wrote: On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 01:03 -0400, gil...@altern.org wrote: But suggesting to friends that they use XMMS and type meaningless scribbles to make a CD play would make one look like a loonie and suggesting to install something else will rightfully bring the following question: Why is

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