Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-17 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Dave Feustel wrote: Having spent some time running X on OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Fedora, and now SUSE 11, I am convinced that using X on any of these platforms enables exploits that cannot be disabled. You cannot have both security and X. Take your pick. I do not log in as root in X for any reason

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-17 Thread Steven Stern
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/15/2008 06:46 AM, Dave Feustel wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 03:31:18PM +0530, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fedora Weekly News Issue 143 Welcome to Fedora Weekly

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-17 Thread Aldo Foot
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue143 This week Announcements trumpets the arrival of a new version of Bodhi, the freeze of Rawhide and some essential reading on the new package keys. In Developments we shock you with Non-X System Consoles to be Removed. What is the point of removing

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Aldo Foot wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue143 This week Announcements trumpets the arrival of a new version of Bodhi, the freeze of Rawhide and some essential reading on the new package keys. In Developments we shock you with Non-X System Consoles to be Removed. What is the

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-17 Thread Aldo Foot
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aldo Foot wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue143 This week Announcements trumpets the arrival of a new version of Bodhi, the freeze of Rawhide and some essential reading on the new package keys. In

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Mike Burger
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Burger wrote: What is the point of removing the System Consoles?

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's message on the fedora-test list:

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Lyvim Xaphir
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's message on the

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 10:40 -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. Sorry, but I think

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Mike Burger
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's message on the fedora-test list:

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Bob Barrett
Mike Burger wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's message on the fedora-test list:

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Rick Stevens
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Mike Burger
Mike Burger wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it. Sorry, but I think you don't. You might want to read Alan Cox's message on the fedora-test list:

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:20:06 -0700 Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, PCI compliance says that you must render the machines as physically difficult to get into as you can. So, you let the Italian Communist Party dictate what you do? :-). -- fedora-list mailing list

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Rick Stevens
Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:20:06 -0700 Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For example, PCI compliance says that you must render the machines as physically difficult to get into as you can. So, you let the Italian Communist Party dictate what you do? :-). That's what I

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Dave Feustel
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 10:20:06AM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 09:11 -0400, Mike Burger wrote: As I said...I don't agree with it...I'm just saying that I understand the thinking behind it.

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Rick Stevens
Dave Feustel wrote: [snip] 1. Machines do not have X installed and boot to run level 3 Having spent some time running X on OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Fedora, and now SUSE 11, I am convinced that using X on any of these platforms enables exploits that cannot be disabled. You cannot have both security

Re: Removing System Consoles from Fedora

2008-09-16 Thread Dave Feustel
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 05:50:18PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Dave Feustel wrote: [snip] 1. Machines do not have X installed and boot to run level 3 I did not write the above point 1. I did write the following: Having spent some time running X on OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Fedora, and now SUSE 11,