Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Paolo Galtieri wrote: My suggestion was never meant as a long term solution. It was meant as a very quick and dirty way to get kdm up and running. I also pointed the person to /etc/X11/perfdm which is where the decision is made as to what display manager gets run. That would be prefdm, not

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Mike Cloaked wrote: If you want to change the settings to use kdm instead of gdm, then you can alternatively run systemsettings which is in /usr/bin - click advanced choose login manager That is it which is a simple alternative way to achieve this ... That will just set up KDM, it won't

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Arthur Pemberton wrote: Please lookup PyGTK. It is a direct dependency on Gtk. Well, technically it's indirect because system-config-* depends on PyGTK and PyGTK depends on GTK+. ;-) But that doesn't change the fact that those tools are hardcoded to use GTK+ (through PyGTK). Kevin

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-17 Thread Neal Becker
Craig White wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:55 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:48:08 -0500 Arthur Pemberton wrote: This is likely a system specific issue, based on the fact that I've never seen it before and would have heard of it by now considering how many people

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-17 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 14:30 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Arthur Pemberton wrote: Please lookup PyGTK. It is a direct dependency on Gtk. Well, technically it's indirect because system-config-* depends on PyGTK and PyGTK depends on GTK+. ;-) I nearly said that but thought better of it :-)

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-17 Thread Rex Dieter
Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:48:08 -0500 Arthur Pemberton wrote: This is likely a system specific issue, based on the fact that I've never seen it before and would have heard of it by now considering how many people use KDM. Got any more info on the hang? My system hangs

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-17 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:16:36 -0700 Rick Stevens wrote: (I don't care for a language that depends on indentation for control structures, but that's just me) I don't mind that part so much, but it is absolutely horrifying that such a language allows both tab and space characters to be used. Tab

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-17 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Tom Horsley tom.hors...@att.net wrote: On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 10:16:36 -0700 Rick Stevens wrote: (I don't care for a language that depends on indentation for control structures, but that's just me) I don't mind that part so much, but it is absolutely

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:07:44 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote: Beartooth Sciurivore wrote: OK, I'll try -- and if I can handle it, anyone can. Where is that default, and how do I change it?? I am not where in Fedora the login manager is set to the default so that an install gives kdm - but

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Paolo Galtieri
If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console login (ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root mv /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm.orig init 3 init 5 This will start kdm. The file to look at is /etc/X11/perfdm which is just a shell script that starts the appropriate display manager

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Todd Zullinger
Paolo Galtieri wrote: If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console login (ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root VT1 is X on F10 and newer. So you'd want to use ctrl-alt-f2 to get a console. mv /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm.orig Why move system files around? The next

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Rick Stevens
Paolo Galtieri wrote: If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console login (ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root mv /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm.orig init 3 init 5 This will start kdm. The file to look at is /etc/X11/perfdm which is just a shell script that starts the

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2009/3/16 Paolo Galtieri pgalti...@gmail.com: If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console login (ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root mv /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm.orig init 3 init 5 Or just uninstall GDM -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin (

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Alan Evans
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Mail Lists wrote:  gdm has become, frankly, really awful.  Can we just make kdm the default - it is so much simpler to configure and it behaves the way any rational administrator expects.  kdm is part of Fedora anyway ... leave gnome as the default desktop,

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Mail Lists wrote:  gdm has become, frankly, really awful.  Can we just make kdm the default - it is so much simpler to configure and it behaves the way any rational administrator expects.

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 04:35:02PM -0400, Mail Lists wrote: gdm has become, frankly, really awful. In what way? It doesn't have some infinite number of knobs for you to twist? Can we just make kdm the default - it is so much simpler to configure and it behaves the way any rational

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson m...@cox.net wrote: Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you don't like GDM? It's ugly. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Joonas Sarajärvi
2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson m...@cox.net wrote: Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you don't like GDM? It's ugly. I think it's functional and beautiful, even though some other login managers have some options which

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Arthur Pemberton
2009/3/16 Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com: 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson m...@cox.net wrote: Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you don't like GDM? It's ugly. I think it's functional and beautiful, even though some

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Mike Cloaked
of usernames to select a KDE login instead if you wish. First time you use it you will be required to select gnome or kde otherwise it won't log you in. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Suggestion---replace-gdm-with-kdm-as-the-default-tp22527699p22542963.html Sent from the Fedora

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:57:43 -0700 Marc Wilson wrote: Really. Describe this rational behavior, please. What configuration does the login manager need? You must not have started reading from the beginning of the thread. The primary objection is from people who have lots of users defined. The

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Mike Cloaked
instead of gdm, then you can alternatively run systemsettings which is in /usr/bin - click advanced choose login manager That is it which is a simple alternative way to achieve this ... -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Suggestion---replace-gdm-with-kdm-as-the-default

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Joonas Sarajärvi
2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com: 2009/3/16 Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com: 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson m...@cox.net wrote: Is there any reason TO do this?  Other than that you don't like GDM? It's ugly. I think

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 16 March 2009 20:04:58 Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: I'd guess there aren't currently KDE alternatives to most of the system-config-* tools, which are based on GTK+. KDE software is used where possible in the KDE spins. SystemSettings handles all KDE settings, and settings where they

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:04 +0200, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com: 2009/3/16 Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com: 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Marc Wilson m...@cox.net wrote: Is there any reason TO do

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:04 +0200, Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com: 2009/3/16 Joonas Sarajärvi mue...@gmail.com: 2009/3/16 Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Mon, 3/16/09, Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Monday, March 16, 2009

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Antonio Olivares olivares14...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Arthur Pemberton pem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default To: Community assistance, encouragement

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 15:54 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: Most of these seem to be written in Python as far as I can see, i.e. any dependancy on GTK is indirect. poc Please lookup PyGTK. It is a direct dependency on Gtk. OK. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Neal Becker
Todd Zullinger wrote: Paolo Galtieri wrote: If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console login (ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root VT1 is X on F10 and newer. So you'd want to use ctrl-alt-f2 to get a console. mv /usr/sbin/gdm /usr/sbin/gdm.orig Why move

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote: Todd Zullinger wrote: Paolo Galtieri wrote: If you want to run kdm instead od gdm do the following at a console login (ctl-alt-f1) after logging in as root VT1 is X on F10 and newer.  So you'd want to use ctrl-alt-f2 to

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:48:08 -0500 Arthur Pemberton wrote: This is likely a system specific issue, based on the fact that I've never seen it before and would have heard of it by now considering how many people use KDM. Got any more info on the hang? My system hangs too - maybe you

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:55 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:48:08 -0500 Arthur Pemberton wrote: This is likely a system specific issue, based on the fact that I've never seen it before and would have heard of it by now considering how many people use KDM. Got any more

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 20:55 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:48:08 -0500 Arthur Pemberton wrote: This is likely a system specific issue, based on the fact that I've never seen it before and would have heard of it by now considering how many people use KDM. Got any more

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Tom Horsley tom.hors...@att.net wrote: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:48:08 -0500 Arthur Pemberton wrote: This is likely a system specific issue, based on the fact that I've never seen it before and would  have heard of it by now considering how many people use KDM.

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-16 Thread Paolo Galtieri
My suggestion was never meant as a long term solution. It was meant as a very quick and dirty way to get kdm up and running. I also pointed the person to /etc/X11/perfdm which is where the decision is made as to what display manager gets run. I apologize that I didn't make that clear. Paolo

Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-15 Thread Mail Lists
gdm has become, frankly, really awful. Can we just make kdm the default - it is so much simpler to configure and it behaves the way any rational administrator expects. kdm is part of Fedora anyway ... leave gnome as the default desktop, just replace the login manager part with something

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-15 Thread Mike Cloaked
to kdm since I was a long time kde user until recently. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Suggestion---replace-gdm-with-kdm-as-the-default-tp22527699p22527811.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-15 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:43:38 -0700, Mike Cloaked wrote: Can we just make kdm the default - it is so much simpler to configure and it behaves the way any rational administrator expects. I switched to kdm for F10 even though I use gnome - I did not like the way gdm looked or the lack of

Re: Suggestion - replace gdm with kdm as the default

2009-03-15 Thread Mike Cloaked
a source file somewhere but I have not delved into that. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Suggestion---replace-gdm-with-kdm-as-the-default-tp22527699p22528797.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list