Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-09 Thread Bill Davidsen
Aaron Konstam wrote: I acquired another computer recently that has a Pentium(R) 4 D CPU Dual core that is capable of hyper-threading. I was not satisfied with its performance so I looked carefully at its configuration and found that hyper-threading was disabled. A little more looking and I

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-09 Thread jaivuk
Considering Intel's hyperthereading - it seems to be there are two teams and two different opinions about hyperthreading: It looks like team which designed P4 and I7 is saying - hyperthreading is the best. On the other hand team which designed Core Duo2 is saying - let's not waste time with it...

To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Aaron Konstam
I acquired another computer recently that has a Pentium(R) 4 D CPU Dual core that is capable of hyper-threading. I was not satisfied with its performance so I looked carefully at its configuration and found that hyper-threading was disabled. A little more looking and I noticed that

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:02:09 -0600 Aaron Konstam wrote: A little more looking and I noticed that hyper-threading was disabled in the BIOS and could not be turned on. Does that mean there is no BIOS option to turn it on, or that attempting to turn it on in the BIOS doesn't work? I've run

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Joerg Bergmann
Am Montag, den 07.12.2009, 09:02 -0600 schrieb Aaron Konstam: I acquired another computer recently that has a Pentium(R) 4 D CPU Dual core that is capable of hyper-threading. I was not satisfied with its performance so I looked carefully at its configuration and found that hyper-threading

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 10:11 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:02:09 -0600 Aaron Konstam wrote: A little more looking and I noticed that hyper-threading was disabled in the BIOS and could not be turned on. Does that mean there is no BIOS option to turn it on, or that

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 16:18 +0100, Joerg Bergmann wrote: Am Montag, den 07.12.2009, 09:02 -0600 schrieb Aaron Konstam: I acquired another computer recently that has a Pentium(R) 4 D CPU Dual core that is capable of hyper-threading. I was not satisfied with its performance so I looked

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Aaron Konstam on 12/07/2009 09:38 AM wrote: Thanks that makes sense. For your information the current Intel XEON processors use hyperthreading productively. However, Intel lists this CPU as one where hyper-threading is available but as you say it may not be productive. Xeons are nothing more

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Greg Woods
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 16:18 +0100, Joerg Bergmann wrote: The problem of the Pentium 4 D: It is not really a dual core one. Hyper-Threading means: There is one core with two execution paths, which means some of the common CPU features, but not all, are present twice. One feature in

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Greg Woods wo...@ucar.edu said: One feature in particular that is not present twice is some of the caching. This is sort of why they named it hyperthreading. If you can get multiple threads of the same process, sharing the same memory, to run simultaneously, there is a

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 09:44 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 16:18 +0100, Joerg Bergmann wrote: The problem of the Pentium 4 D: It is not really a dual core one. Hyper-Threading means: There is one core with two execution paths, which means some of the common CPU features, but

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 10:06 -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Aaron Konstam on 12/07/2009 09:38 AM wrote: Thanks that makes sense. For your information the current Intel XEON processors use hyperthreading productively. However, Intel lists this CPU as one where hyper-threading is available

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 09:44 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 16:18 +0100, Joerg Bergmann wrote: The problem of the Pentium 4 D: It is not really a dual core one. Hyper-Threading means: There is one core with two execution paths, which means some of the common CPU

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 22:16 +0200, Jussi Lehtola wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 09:44 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 16:18 +0100, Joerg Bergmann wrote: The problem of the Pentium 4 D: It is not really a dual core one. Hyper-Threading means: There is one core with two

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 16:42 -0500, William Hooper wrote: As far as I can tell both cores have their separate 1M cache. But lshw-gui reports HT is supported You might want to check out this blog post by Dave Jones:

Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread

2009-12-07 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 15:29 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: Well the Intel ads make XEON hyper-threading sound like the greatest thing since sliced bread, As do (just about) all manufacturers when describing their new, and sometimes not new, technology. The emperor is wearing no clothes! --