Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-12 Thread TNWestTex
The total restructuring of X in that sequence is a deal breaker. If you use kde the change from kde3 to kde4 with F9 would get you. Even if you don't use the graphical interfaces there are problems. I've had to keep a FC6 installation around to keep some legacy programs running with change in

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-12 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Tim wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 19:25 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: They work perfectly and the only thing which is pushing me is the lack of SMART support Compile from source... But it's a kernel issue, IIRC. Instead of running the distro with an unofficial kernel (or an autocompiled

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-11 Thread Anthony Shipman
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:47:07 am Jussi Lehtola wrote: This also means I'm almost not really upgrading anything. FC5-CentOS5 is similar to FC5-F6 (ok, with some backports, I know) Exactly, such as firefox, openoffice and so on. (clip) Also, remember that Fedora EPEL has quite a lot of

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-11 Thread Frank Cox
On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:50:26 +1000 Anthony Shipman wrote: What about multi-media? Are packages such as mplayer, mp3 and video codecs etc available or buildable for Centos5.3? I would use it as my desktop if so. rpmforge -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-11 Thread Bill Davidsen
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 19:25:50 +0200, Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it wrote: The system is on RAIDed disks, so I will disconnect one of them as an easy rollback chance in case of unresolvable issues. That's unlikely to work for you. See:

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 08:57:54 -0400, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: Since there is a general use for more ability to create custom raid arrays, the ability to use an existing array would be useful. I find it particularly vexing that whoever wrote the raid code did not understand

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-11 Thread Bill Davidsen
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 08:57:54 -0400, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: Since there is a general use for more ability to create custom raid arrays, the ability to use an existing array would be useful. I find it particularly vexing that whoever wrote the raid

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 13:11:53 -0400, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: The point is that since you have the problem which would be solved by using existing raid arrays, and you have been trying without success to get action as a bug for years, you might be the person to present

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-11 Thread Bill Davidsen
Bruno Wolff III wrote: I have other Fedora things needing doing, so I am not going to spend my limited time championing changes in raid 10 configruation restrictions when I don't use it and don't know much about its details. You have missed what I said twice, so let it go . I said you might

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 20:02:33 -0400, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: Bruno Wolff III wrote: I have other Fedora things needing doing, so I am not going to spend my limited time championing changes in raid 10 configruation restrictions when I don't use it and don't know much about

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-11 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 19:25 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: They work perfectly and the only thing which is pushing me is the lack of SMART support Compile from source... -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored.

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 20:00 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: I don't really know what was wrong with OSS to begin with. Two different things trying to use the same sound card at the same time. Only one could, and the other failing to manage it could jam the sound card so that nothing else could use

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Jussi Lehtola wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 23:30 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Because I have a couple of FC5 servers, and I could upgrade through the odd releases 5-7-9-11. It should be rather straightforward to upgrade them to CentOS 5.3, you should be able to do it with yum. If they're

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 10:17 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Jussi Lehtola wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 23:30 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Because I have a couple of FC5 servers, and I could upgrade through the odd releases 5-7-9-11. It should be rather straightforward to upgrade them to

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 10:17 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: It is a little puzzling that when someone asks on a fedora ML how to upgrade Fedora, the answer is often upgrade to CentOS instead. It's common enough advice for servers, or other computers where you want a long lifespan. Fedora needs

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Excalibur Xcalibur
I think I'll move to CentOS. That sounds like a good move. :) Thanks for the feedback. I was wondering whether I can use yum directly? I'll look into it but if anybody has done in in the past and/or is aware of the relevant documentation, please let me know. -- Peter Excalibur On Fri, Jul 10,

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Jussi Lehtola wrote: The reason is that RHEL 5 is based on Fedora 6, so the upgrade should work out smoothly. This also means I'm almost not really upgrading anything. FC5-CentOS5 is similar to FC5-F6 (ok, with some backports, I know) Also if you haven't updated the machine so far, it's

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 19:25:50 +0200, Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it wrote: The system is on RAIDed disks, so I will disconnect one of them as an easy rollback chance in case of unresolvable issues. That's unlikely to work for you. See:

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Bill Davidsen
Tim wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 20:00 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: I don't really know what was wrong with OSS to begin with. Two different things trying to use the same sound card at the same time. Only one could, and the other failing to manage it could jam the sound card so that nothing

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Bill Davidsen
Roberto Ragusa wrote: Jussi Lehtola wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 23:30 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Because I have a couple of FC5 servers, and I could upgrade through the odd releases 5-7-9-11. It should be rather straightforward to upgrade them to CentOS 5.3, you should be able to do it

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Bill Davidsen
Kevin Kofler wrote: Excalibur Xcalibur wrote: Thanks for the response people. I thought you guys would say that and I was hoping that there would be a clean solution. There are too many customizations for me to perform a clean install at this point.. I think that I'll leave it as it is! Well,

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 19:25 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Jussi Lehtola wrote: The reason is that RHEL 5 is based on Fedora 6, so the upgrade should work out smoothly. This also means I'm almost not really upgrading anything. FC5-CentOS5 is similar to FC5-F6 (ok, with some backports, I

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Bill Davidsen wrote: That sounds just right. PA doesn't seem to do a thing for me when starting multiple VMs, the first one appears to grab sound and the rest get errors. And multiple users (or processes running as such) don't seem to work well, and as for line/mic input, I still run an FC6

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-10 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 19:25:50 +0200, Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it wrote: The system is on RAIDed disks, so I will disconnect one of them as an easy rollback chance in case of unresolvable issues. That's unlikely to work for you. See:

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-09 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Kevin Kofler wrote: Well, you could try upgrading it step by step, like FC6-F8-F10 and then to F12 when it comes out. Skipping more than one release at a time isn't really tested or supported, so it can cause problems. But keeping the ancient release forever isn't a solution either. Are

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-09 Thread Jussi Lehtola
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 23:30 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Are you saying that skipping one release is supported? (that is, is it supposed to work?) The official policy is that only upgrades F(N-1) - F(N) works, but I yum updated a dozen F8 boxes to F10 some months ago. Because I have a

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-09 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Bill Davidsendavid...@tmr.com wrote: - /etc/inittab has been replace with a complex scheme - default simple functional networking has been replaced with NetMangler - simple functional sound has been replaced with PulseAudio and you can use up to five volume

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-09 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:30:05 +0200 Roberto Ragusa m...@robertoragusa.it wrote: Kevin Kofler wrote: Well, you could try upgrading it step by step, like FC6-F8-F10 and then to F12 when it comes out. Skipping more than one release at a time isn't really tested or supported, so it

Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-08 Thread Excalibur Xcalibur
Dear All, I've an old server running FC6. Is there a neat way to upgrade (Not clean install) from FC6 to FC11 without messing up things and keeping my settings and data? Thanks. -- Peter Excalibur -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe:

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-08 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 12:11 -0400, Excalibur Xcalibur wrote: Dear All, I've an old server running FC6. Is there a neat way to upgrade (Not clean install) from FC6 to FC11 without messing up things and keeping my settings and data? make a very good back up of the settings and

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-08 Thread Nick Hayes
Excalibur Xcalibur wrote: Dear All, I've an old server running FC6. Is there a neat way to upgrade (Not clean install) from FC6 to FC11 without messing up things and keeping my settings and data? Thanks. -- Peter Excalibur Dear Peter Excalibur, If you want to upgrade from F6

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-08 Thread Excalibur Xcalibur
Thanks for the response people. I thought you guys would say that and I was hoping that there would be a clean solution. There are too many customizations for me to perform a clean install at this point.. I think that I'll leave it as it is! -- Peter Excalibur On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:00 PM,

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-08 Thread paul s
couple of problems that i ran into with moving an F8 box to F11... take a backup of your ldap database so you can restore it as they are not compatible db versions.. similarly with postgres data... take a snapshot so that it can be imported into the newer version as it cannot read an the

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-08 Thread Bill Davidsen
Excalibur Xcalibur wrote: Thanks for the response people. I thought you guys would say that and I was hoping that there would be a clean solution. There are too many customizations for me to perform a clean install at this point.. I think that I'll leave it as it is! I have a similar upgrade

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-08 Thread Aldo Foot
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Excalibur Xcaliburexcalibur.xcali...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the response people. I thought you guys would say that and I was hoping that there would be a clean solution. There are too many customizations for me to perform a clean install at this point.. I

Re: Upgrade from FC6 to FC11

2009-07-08 Thread Kevin Kofler
Excalibur Xcalibur wrote: Thanks for the response people. I thought you guys would say that and I was hoping that there would be a clean solution. There are too many customizations for me to perform a clean install at this point.. I think that I'll leave it as it is! Well, you could try