Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-12 Thread Simon Andrews
Michael Pawlowsky wrote: Are there any other people using FC in a production enterprise environment? Production, certainly. We have 7 fedora servers all providing public facing services over a range of different functionalities. All are running F11. The constant upgrades are driving me

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-12 Thread John Aldrich
Quoting Michael Pawlowsky mi...@clearskymedia.ca: Are there any other people using FC in a production enterprise environment? The constant upgrades are driving me nuts. We have machines at FC8-FC9-FC10 and FC-11. The main reason we are using FC is because one it's free (in a sense). The next

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-12 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 12/11/09 10:48, Simon Andrews wrote: Michael Pawlowsky wrote: Are there any other people using FC in a production enterprise environment? Production, certainly. We have 7 fedora servers all providing public facing services over a range of different functionalities. All are running

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-12 Thread Alan Cox
That's a remarkable upgrade feat, I managed Fedora 7 to 8 and then 10 to 11, but all the way from Fedora 1, respect. Just curious did you upgrade The early ones were a bit fun but doable. ftp.linux.org.uk started with a late Red Hat (RH9 I think) and has done the same but live updated each

Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Michael Pawlowsky
Are there any other people using FC in a production enterprise environment? The constant upgrades are driving me nuts. We have machines at FC8-FC9- FC10 and FC-11. The main reason we are using FC is because one it's free (in a sense). The next one is that it does include more recent

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/12/2009 04:05 AM, Michael Pawlowsky wrote: Is FC simply a bad choice for enterprise production. I'm starting to want to try CentOS soon. Unfortunately this will mean not always being able to take advantage of the latest features in software and so on. So I was just wondering what

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 17:35:14 -0500, Michael Pawlowsky mi...@clearskymedia.ca wrote: The main reason we are using FC is because one it's free (in a sense). The next one is that it does include more recent versions of packages that we use and are looking for the latest versions to take

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Alan Cox
To make things more difficult, our servers need to be up 24/7. Is FC simply a bad choice for enterprise production. It depends on your environment but probably - yes I'm starting to want to try CentOS soon. Unfortunately this will mean not always being able to take advantage of the

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Aldo Foot
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote Latest and Stable are usually opposite ends of the same scale. Centos is boring - in all the good senses of the word. That's so true, but it gets the job done. :-) ~af -- fedora-list mailing list

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Ryan Lynch
Hi, Michael, On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 17:35, Michael Pawlowsky mi...@clearskymedia.ca wrote: Is FC simply a bad choice for enterprise production. I'm starting to want to try CentOS soon. Unfortunately this will mean not always being able to take advantage of the latest features in software and

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday 11 November 2009 22:35:14 Michael Pawlowsky wrote: The constant upgrades are driving me nuts. We have machines at FC8-FC9- FC10 and FC-11. The main reason we are using FC is because one it's free (in a sense). The next one is that it does include more recent versions of packages

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Clint Dilks
Michael Pawlowsky wrote: Are there any other people using FC in a production enterprise environment? The constant upgrades are driving me nuts. We have machines at FC8-FC9-FC10 and FC-11. The main reason we are using FC is because one it's free (in a sense). The next one is that it does

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 17:35 -0500, Michael Pawlowsky wrote: Are there any other people using FC in a production enterprise environment? Yes. The constant upgrades are driving me nuts. We have machines at FC8-FC9- FC10 and FC-11. I still have a FC4 server. It's a pain to keep updating

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 23:31 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: For example, you cannot go from ext3 filesystem to ext4 without reformatting the drive. Actually you can, so it's not a good example for the point you're making (and which I agree with BTW). poc -- fedora-list mailing list

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 12 November 2009 01:29:19 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 23:31 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: For example, you cannot go from ext3 filesystem to ext4 without reformatting the drive. Actually you can, so it's not a good example for the point you're making (and

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Michael Pawlowsky
On 2009-11-11, at 6:33 PM, Ryan Lynch wrote: I really don't understand something, here. First, you blast Fedora for its high-speed upgrade treadmill. OK, fair enough--that gets on my nerves, too, at times. But then, near the end of your email, you complain that Red Hat/CentOS lacks the

Re: Upgrades driving me crazy....

2009-11-11 Thread Michael Pawlowsky
On 2009-11-11, at 6:45 PM, Clint Dilks wrote: Fedora is just not a good choice in this situation, we tried running Fedora in this way for a time but it just becomes unmanageable. One short term suggestion I would make is that you maintain your own copies of the repositories that you use