Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-30 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 10:49 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Dnia 2008-06-27, piÄ… o godzinie 13:52 +0100, Timothy Murphy pisze: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: One problem for a lot of people is that NM does not open the network connection until the user logs in. This is a problem for anything

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Malone
2008/6/27 Andrew Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And they are nothing at all like the [whatever the opposite of flat earth folks are] who think things like NetworkManager and PulseAudio are the holy grail because there are circumstances where these are valuable tools in spite of the huge volume of

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-28 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 14:13 -0400, max bianco wrote: It already does everything, its never given me a problem. Wired or wireless take your pick. Of course when I decide to buy a piece of hardware, I generally avoid the cheap crap I can't say that I've had a hardware problem with it, but just

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-27 Thread Andrew Kelly
On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 14:00 -0700, Craig White wrote: snip The thing I love about flat earth folks who disparage things like NetworkManager and PulseAudio is that they are consistently blind to the fact that there are circumstances where these are valuable tools. Craig Indeed. Yes. And

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-27 Thread Timothy Murphy
Phil Meyer wrote: People who keep home directories across installs are the ones facing the most issues with NM on F9. What does NM read or write in the home directory? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-27 Thread Timothy Murphy
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: One problem for a lot of people is that NM does not open the network connection until the user logs in. This is a problem for anything that needs a network connection before you log in. I agree. What is the rationale behind this decision? It seems very strange.

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-27 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 13:52 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: Incidentally, is there such a thing as NetworkManagerDispatcher now? Apparently not. It would seem that NetworkManager does it all, rather than have a separate service for scripts. Just wait, soon it will do everything... :-\ --

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-26 Thread Bill Davidsen
the efforts plugged into the fedora project in general... but just wishing we understood the thinking behind the changes in fc9... - Original Message - From: Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fedora-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:37 AM Subject: Re: What is the matter

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-26 Thread Bill Davidsen
fedora wrote: Hi every What is the matter with fedora 9? it introduced a NetworkManager which prohibits networking. NetworkMangler has been around since FC6 (at least), by making it the default it became impossible to ignore. It does the right thing in cases where you have one hardwire

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-26 Thread Stephen Berg (Contractor)
Bill Davidsen wrote: fedora wrote: Hi every What is the matter with fedora 9? it introduced a NetworkManager which prohibits networking. NetworkMangler has been around since FC6 (at least), by making it the default it became impossible to ignore. It does the right thing in cases where you

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-26 Thread Phil Meyer
Stephen Berg (Contractor) wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: fedora wrote: Hi every What is the matter with fedora 9? it introduced a NetworkManager which prohibits networking. NetworkMangler has been around since FC6 (at least), by making it the default it became impossible to ignore. It does

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9? ... Network Manager rocks !

2008-06-26 Thread Andrea Mastellone
Stephen Berg (Contractor) wrote: it introduced a NetworkManager which prohibits networking. NetworkMangler has been around since FC6 (at least), by making it the default it became impossible to ignore. It does the right thing in cases where you have one hardwire or wireless connection which

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-26 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Stephen Berg (Contractor) wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: After about a dozen installs of Fedora 9 I cannot agree with you on that. On every system save one there is only one network connection, in each of those cases it's been /dev/eth0 and NM would not enable the connection by default. Maybe

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-26 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 14:46 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: fedora wrote: Hi every What is the matter with fedora 9? it introduced a NetworkManager which prohibits networking. NetworkMangler has been around since FC6 (at least), by making it the default it became impossible to ignore

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-26 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 14:34 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Craig White wrote: First of all, Tom didn't qualify his comments on NetworkManager which is very useful in some instances and apparently is installed as the default networking daemon if you install from Live CD. His suggestion to turn

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-25 Thread fedora
Hi every i have found the couse or at least a work araund for slow working openoffice: if your openoffice is not responsive when clicking toolbar buttons in the head line, the cause may be in your .gnome*, your .gconf*, or your .x* directories. when i removed all of them and logged-in from

What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-24 Thread fedora
Hi every What is the matter with fedora 9? it introduced a NetworkManager which prohibits networking. programs are acessible only as root user: xsane just does nothing as non-root user. openoffice blocks its drop-downs in the main menu for 20 seconds, if you are not root. if you are root

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-24 Thread Bassel Safadi
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:53 PM, fedora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could the relevant persons please provide an update to fedora 9 as soon as possible? thanks very much. there are a lot of updates and fixes, just type yum update very angry cool down please, there is a very big effort

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-24 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:53:37 +0200 fedora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it introduced a NetworkManager which prohibits networking. Don't know about the other problems, but for me this makes networking function just like always: chkconfig --level 2345 NetworkManager off chkconfig --level 2345

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-24 Thread Robert M. Bernabe
the thinking behind the changes in fc9... - Original Message - From: Tom Horsley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fedora-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:37 AM Subject: Re: What is the matter with fedora 9? On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:53:37 +0200 fedora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-24 Thread Craig White
] To: fedora-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:37 AM Subject: Re: What is the matter with fedora 9? On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:53:37 +0200 fedora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it introduced a NetworkManager which prohibits networking. Don't know about the other problems, but for me

Re: What is the matter with fedora 9?

2008-06-24 Thread Robert M. Bernabe
fc9 and rolled back to fc8. :( sorry again for the miscom... - Original Message - From: Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: Re: What is the matter with fedora 9? First of all, Tom didn't qualify