Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-15 Thread jack craig
yeah, but imagine the savings for the group while the clueless recipient engages this busy work and wont have time to post again for awhile! :O On 09/13/2009 07:22 PM, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 15:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I think it would be more pleasant to use the word wrong

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-15 Thread Steven Stern
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/13/2009 03:11 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 01:16 +0930, Tim wrote: Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji: What could be the issue? It is on Fedora 10. Alan Evans: I presume you can otherwise use the network -- DNS working, etc. So

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-15 Thread Kam Leo
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/13/2009 03:11 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 01:16 +0930, Tim wrote: Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji: What could be the issue? It is on Fedora

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-15 Thread Alan Evans
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Tim wrote: Alan Evans: I presume you can otherwise use the network -- DNS working, etc. So did you try yum clean all? I think you can even do it from one of the menus in yumex. Why do you suggest yum clean all?  Would you also suggest format and re-install?  

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-15 Thread Aldo Foot
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com wrote: To clean the data about what's available to yum, simply use yum clean metadata. People, stop issuing stupid advice.  Yes, it IS stupid advice, it's offering things without due thought.  That is what being stupid means.

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 14:34 -0700, Alan Evans wrote: I have myself found that yum clean all apparently fixes many problems even when I'm not sure why it should. When I have a problem updating, I usually start with cleaning the cache and metadata just to establish a baseline. Ninety percent of

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-15 Thread Kam Leo
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 14:34 -0700, Alan Evans wrote: I have myself found that yum clean all apparently fixes many problems even when I'm not sure why it should. When I have a problem updating, I usually start

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 16:00 -0700, Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 14:34 -0700, Alan Evans wrote: I have myself found that yum clean all apparently fixes many problems even when I'm not sure why it

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-15 Thread Alan Evans
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: IOW the sensible procedure is: yum clean metadata iff that doesn't solve the problem: yum clean all It doesn't happen often enough that I would care about the difference. It's not like I sit staring at the updater while it regets the

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-15 Thread Alan Evans
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: IOW the sensible procedure is: yum clean metadata iff that doesn't solve the problem: yum clean all And another thing: The OP actually stated he was using yumex. I just double-checked and yumex doesn't have a menu option to clean the

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-15 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 15:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I think it would be more pleasant to use the word wrong instead of stupid. Just for better relations between posters. If it wasn't so commonly badly advised, I

stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-13 Thread Tim
Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji: What could be the issue? It is on Fedora 10. Alan Evans: I presume you can otherwise use the network -- DNS working, etc. So did you try yum clean all? I think you can even do it from one of the menus in yumex. Why do you suggest yum clean all? Would you also

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-13 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 01:16 +0930, Tim wrote: Jwalant Natvarlal Soneji: What could be the issue? It is on Fedora 10. Alan Evans: I presume you can otherwise use the network -- DNS working, etc. So did you try yum clean all? I think you can even do it from one of the menus in yumex.

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-13 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 15:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: I think it would be more pleasant to use the word wrong instead of stupid. Just for better relations between posters. If it wasn't so commonly badly advised, I might agree. But it's often the first thing, and only, thing said to people,

Re: stop stupidly telling people to do yum clean all when it's not necessary

2009-09-13 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 11:52 +0930, Tim wrote: The dumb advice top 4 list seems to be: 1. Do a yum clean all for any problem with updating. 2. Remove pulseaudio for any problem related to sound. 3. Disable SELinux when something fails to work. 4. Wipe out and rebuild the RPM database