Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 09:39 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
I have yet to find out how you can configure a computer to print to
printers distributed by a remote print serve as well as a local printer
without editing its cupsd.conf file. Any suggestions?
Use CUPS browsing (Aaron, I'm sure we've been over this before).
CUPS browsing is enabled by default. All you have to do in Fedora 9 is
start system-config-firewall and select the 'Network Printing Client
(IPP)' check-box, and wait.
The remote CUPS server (on the same subnet) will broadcast UDP packets
describing its queues, and the local CUPS server will automatically make
those queues available to you.
If your remote CUPS server is on a different subnet then you need to
make arrangements to either:
* have those UDP packets forwarded by the network bridge ('directed
broadcast')
or
* tell the local CUPS server the IP address of the remote CUPS server
using 'BrowsePoll' in the cupsd.conf file
Tim.
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Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 15:58 -0700, Craig White wrote: We'll get to the bottom of it - and I'm pretty patient and suspect that Tim will sound off in a few days. :-) This is a samba bug, introduced by the upstream CUPS maintainer when he added proxy authentication support to smbspool: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=453951 Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 13:58 +0100, Tim Waugh wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 15:58 -0700, Craig White wrote: We'll get to the bottom of it - and I'm pretty patient and suspect that Tim will sound off in a few days. :-) This is a samba bug, introduced by the upstream CUPS maintainer when he added proxy authentication support to smbspool: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=453951 OK - so next time, instead of removing 'AuthInfoRequired negotiate' I would be better off changing it to 'AuthInfoRequired none' - got it. I suppose you can label my bugzilla as a duplicate of the above... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456555 Thanks...hope you enjoyed your time off Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 06:22 -0700, Craig White wrote: OK - so next time, instead of removing 'AuthInfoRequired negotiate' I would be better off changing it to 'AuthInfoRequired none' - got it. No, I don't think that will have any effect; the smb backend will still reset it to 'negotiate'. The bug needs to be fixed in the samba package. What is the CUPS device URI of the printer you are seeing this problem with? Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 14:35 +0100, Tim Waugh wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 06:22 -0700, Craig White wrote: OK - so next time, instead of removing 'AuthInfoRequired negotiate' I would be better off changing it to 'AuthInfoRequired none' - got it. No, I don't think that will have any effect; the smb backend will still reset it to 'negotiate'. The bug needs to be fixed in the samba package. What is the CUPS device URI of the printer you are seeing this problem with? DeviceURI smb://craig:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/WIN-WORKSTATION/officejet Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Craig White wrote: snip if you go back to my original post - nowhere did I ever make mention of Firefox, nor did Andy who confirmed the problem. well, in your own words 'leap to conclusions do we?', seems to include you in that 'we'. i do not find that i made reference to which post. therefore, for me to include firefox, it would have been from a later post that you made and in which you failed to mention evolution. if version of firefox that i am currently using; Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008071611 Red Hat/3.0.1-1.el5 Firefox/3.0.1 had time stamps in history log, i would be able to give you an exact time that you could relate to your presumption. tho i will admit that while looking back thru history, i did miss one of the hits related to suse. so i did err in not noting it. or what ever was page relating to it, did not seem relevant. maybe it mentioned evolution and was there before i put firefox in search. as for ubuntu, i can not say. for sure if it was among hits, i did not look at it. I only brought Firefox into the picture because the problem returned actually, it was brought on by your evasiveness in not mentioning what all you had tried to print with. but if you were going to google anything, why not google the relevant keywords... googleing for; cups AuthInfoRequired negotiate } From: Andy Eager eageraj at tpg.com.au } Subject: F9 - cups - windows shared printer } Newsgroups: gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general } Date: 2008-07-24 12:14:43 GMT (1 day, 10 hours and 58 minutes ago) which was in this thread. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1028522postcount=1 reveals it did not happen with ubuntu client and fedora server, but did with fedora client and fedora server. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5449368 which, all in all, does cause me to believe as i have all along, that it is related to cups and how it is handling authorization and a reason of why i suggested adding 'user' to 'lp' group. which may have been a temporary 'cure', 'hack', 'solution' or what ever one cares to call it. what ever it is called, if it worked, it would be a way to get printing done until source is debugged and corrected. along with, possiply, another pointer to where problem is in source. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 19:08 +1000, Andy Eager wrote:
OK, for anyone interested (and as a way of documenting the problem), I
finally got to the bottom of this issue.
It has absolutely nothing to do with users, groups, cups authentication,
Firefox or much else discussed in this thread!!
I was using ipp as the printing protocol to talk to the printer:- A
Konica-Minolta MC2450.
ipp://printer_hostname:631/ipp
Not sure whether the problem is with CUPS implementation of ipp or the
printer itself, but if I change to JetDirect
(socket://printer_hostname), then everything works just fine.
Now for the gory details:
* printers.conf is setup initially without the AuthInfoRequired line
(which is the same AuthInfoRequired none)
* When I try to print I get the following:
E [25/Jul/2008:17:20:53 +1000] [Job 1] Unable to get job 1997
attributes (client-error-not-authorized)!
I [25/Jul/2008:17:20:53 +1000] Saving printers.conf...
E [25/Jul/2008:17:20:53 +1000] PID 5314 (/usr/lib/cups/backend/ipp)
stopped with status 2!
D [25/Jul/2008:17:20:53 +1000] [Job 1] File 0 is complete.
I [25/Jul/2008:17:20:53 +1000] [Job 1] Backend returned status 2
(authentication required)
* When cupsd saves printers.conf, it decides (incorrectly) that
authentication is required and inserts the AuthInfoRequired negotiate
line into printers.conf
For any cups developers reading this, here's the code that does this
from job.c: (which I believe is semantically incorrect)
if ((attr = cupsGetOption(auth-info-required, num_attrs, attrs)) != NULL)
{
cupsdLogMessage(CUPSD_LOG_ERROR, WOULD BE SETTING attribute
%s, attr);
// cupsdSetAuthInfoRequired(job-printer, attr, NULL);
cupsdSetPrinterAttrs(job-printer);
cupsdSaveAllPrinters();
}
The first line is me wanting to see this event in the log file
The second line is me commenting out the change to AuthInfoRequired.
When I run this modified version of cups, I still see same output in the
log file, but the job does print (as do any subsequent jobs) and there
is no change made to printers.conf.
Anyway, that's the full story.
I now know the anatomy of cups way more than I ever wanted to!
did you want to add that to the bugzilla entry I started or should I
reference?
also, for the record, I never set up the printer as ipp but only as a
connection to windows shared printer (smb://) but perhaps the code is
similar there
Craig
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Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 20:51 +, g wrote: Craig White wrote: snip came back when I tried to print from Firefox... so maybe you *and* firefox need to be in 'lp' group. gbwg -- tc,hago. The group of the user and firefox is irrelevant. -- === I can live without Someone I love But not without Someone I need. -- Safety === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 15:58 -0700, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 22:52 +, g wrote: Craig White wrote: snip On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 21:21 +, g wrote: Craig White wrote: snip I hope that you won't mind that I will continue to ignore your suggestions thinking that they are not useful and even if they worked, that isn't the intended behavior and thus no solution at all. not at all. what ever churns your butter. if such an easy change is too much for you, then do not. after all it is your system to fight with. as for me, i did spend a couple minutes to make change, as i found thru google, and it did work. granted, it may something different in your system. i do know/recall that i did have to add myself to 'lp' group, under mandrake 9 and 10, when i could not print as a 'user', but could as 'root'. I would rather remove the line once in a while than start mucking with system groups but more to the point and the one you seem to be missing is that the bandaid approach you suggest helps no one else. I'm far more interested in a real solution to the problem because others are sure to experience this issue. i am in full understanding of your reasoning and desire to find *where* failure is coming from. with no more response than you have of one other poster so far, would this not tend to show that it would be something you 2 have in common in configuring your system? granted, it is something that should not happen. but it is. therefore i would think that you and andy need to see what you have in common in setups, permissions, and paths, etc. also, a request for others who are using cups, if they would check cupsd.conf and printers.conf files to see if authentication line is present. then, if you have a large response of line present, you have narrowed you search to other than just cups. just a suggestion. use it or not. Not a chance... because I reverted to distribution version of cupsd.conf and have only 2 printers configured and the configuration is fairly basic. I put in a bugzilla report. I know that Tim Waugh usually monitors this list but guess he must be on a summer vacation because he is the master of all things printers on RH/Fedora. We'll get to the bottom of it - and I'm pretty patient and suspect that Tim will sound off in a few days. Craig Tim may be an expert but for instructions in configuring cupsd.cong the documentation you can access through the cups web page (localhost:631) is really very good and definitive. I would try that if I were you. -- === People humiliating a salami! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Tim wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 19:01 -0700, Craig White wrote: It's no different than adding myself to lp group. While that might allow me to print, it doesn't really solve the problem and I can get it to print anyway. It does raise the point that some definition of what some system groups are meant to be for. When you see groups like lp or disk are you supposed to add yourself to them for special privileges, or are they just for the system software to use for itself. I always thought they were there to let you customize access for users, as well as for system software. There are other ways to control user access now, but they were the original way to do it. With the helper programs we have today, there is less need for adding users to the system groups. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Aaron Konstam wrote: snip The group of the user and firefox is irrelevant. anyway, i added 'gbwg' only because i had added 'firefox'. maybe in case of 'lp' at this time. yet back when i set up cups in mandrake 8 and 9, it was necessary. it was also necessary that i was in 'sane' and 'xsane' group. for sure, there are other groups that do require a user to be added to various groups. another 2 points that make whole thing interesting is that so far, craig has found problem only with firefox and problem only seems to be related to cups that is set up to share with ms windows. second, that this problem has not shown up with any other distribs. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 18:14 +, g wrote: Aaron Konstam wrote: snip The group of the user and firefox is irrelevant. anyway, i added 'gbwg' only because i had added 'firefox'. maybe in case of 'lp' at this time. yet back when i set up cups in mandrake 8 and 9, it was necessary. it was also necessary that i was in 'sane' and 'xsane' group. for sure, there are other groups that do require a user to be added to various groups. another 2 points that make whole thing interesting is that so far, craig has found problem only with firefox and problem only seems to be related to cups that is set up to share with ms windows. second, that this problem has not shown up with any other distribs. leap to conclusions do we? 1 - it's not only with Firefox...problem originally surfaced printing e-mail from evolution. It appears that if a program initially queries for a need to authenticate, that's when the problem occurs. 2 - why on earth would you think that this problem doesn't show up on other distributions...I think quite the contrary, as this problem seemed to be originally reported in Debian. 3 - as a network system administrator, ugly hack solutions like adding a user to a local group is a very lame solution when users are on LDAP and not local and there are limitations on group memberships, etc. This shouldn't be needed for a basic setup and a local user and I am looking at the bigger picture. as for the user/group of firefox, yes it was irrelevant and was one of the obscure attempts at being funny which not surprisingly Aaron missed - as I said earlier in the thread, geleem seems to make comments that are too obtuse for many readers on this list. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Craig White wrote: snip leap to conclusions do we? only when information is left out. 1 - it's not only with Firefox...problem originally surfaced printing you were not elicit of evolution. 2 - why on earth would you think that this problem doesn't show up on in my curiousness of problem i used *AND firefox*. search did not show debian. being on mandrake lists, i have not seen problem posted. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 18:56 +, g wrote: Craig White wrote: snip leap to conclusions do we? only when information is left out. 1 - it's not only with Firefox...problem originally surfaced printing you were not elicit of evolution. 2 - why on earth would you think that this problem doesn't show up on in my curiousness of problem i used *AND firefox*. search did not show debian. being on mandrake lists, i have not seen problem posted. if you go back to my original post - nowhere did I ever make mention of Firefox, nor did Andy who confirmed the problem. I only brought Firefox into the picture because the problem returned when I tried to print with Firefox for the first time. The specific applications itself are not truly meaningful to the problem...they never were. You decided to seize on the things you thought might be significant but they weren't. but if you were going to google anything, why not google the relevant keywords... cups AuthInfoRequired negotiate http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1028522postcount=1 but it wasn't Debian (my mistake), it was Ubuntu... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5449368 Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 13:21 +, g wrote: Andy Eager wrote: snip I have no idea how this crap got into cups or even why authentication should be necessary to print locally. Anyway, it has nothing to do with the security deny/allow stuff in cupsd.conf this got me wondering. craig, have you give thought to *group*? because problem is with *authentication*, are you 'authenticated' if you add your user name to 'cups group'? ria, under md 9 or 10, i had problems in printing as a 'user' and i believe that doing so enable me to print. i do recall that i still had to enter 'root' password to make any changes to configs. The problem isn't with authentication, the problem is that somehow the printer configuration inherited an authentication requirement when there was no desire or action for it to do so. Mucking in groups to solve this issue doesn't make much sense. As for Andy...I have not seen it reappear by itself even after printing but I don't print all that much. Thus I don't see much need in patching source and recompiling (seems to be overkill). Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Craig White wrote: snip came back when I tried to print from Firefox... so maybe you *and* firefox need to be in 'lp' group. gbwg -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Craig White wrote: snip I hope that you won't mind that I will continue to ignore your suggestions thinking that they are not useful and even if they worked, that isn't the intended behavior and thus no solution at all. not at all. what ever churns your butter. if such an easy change is too much for you, then do not. after all it is your system to fight with. as for me, i did spend a couple minutes to make change, as i found thru google, and it did work. granted, it may something different in your system. i do know/recall that i did have to add myself to 'lp' group, under mandrake 9 and 10, when i could not print as a 'user', but could as 'root'. also, i was joking about adding firefox to 'lp' group. much luck. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 21:21 +, g wrote: Craig White wrote: snip I hope that you won't mind that I will continue to ignore your suggestions thinking that they are not useful and even if they worked, that isn't the intended behavior and thus no solution at all. not at all. what ever churns your butter. if such an easy change is too much for you, then do not. after all it is your system to fight with. as for me, i did spend a couple minutes to make change, as i found thru google, and it did work. granted, it may something different in your system. i do know/recall that i did have to add myself to 'lp' group, under mandrake 9 and 10, when i could not print as a 'user', but could as 'root'. I would rather remove the line once in a while than start mucking with system groups but more to the point and the one you seem to be missing is that the bandaid approach you suggest helps no one else. I'm far more interested in a real solution to the problem because others are sure to experience this issue. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Craig White wrote: snip On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 21:21 +, g wrote: Craig White wrote: snip I hope that you won't mind that I will continue to ignore your suggestions thinking that they are not useful and even if they worked, that isn't the intended behavior and thus no solution at all. not at all. what ever churns your butter. if such an easy change is too much for you, then do not. after all it is your system to fight with. as for me, i did spend a couple minutes to make change, as i found thru google, and it did work. granted, it may something different in your system. i do know/recall that i did have to add myself to 'lp' group, under mandrake 9 and 10, when i could not print as a 'user', but could as 'root'. I would rather remove the line once in a while than start mucking with system groups but more to the point and the one you seem to be missing is that the bandaid approach you suggest helps no one else. I'm far more interested in a real solution to the problem because others are sure to experience this issue. i am in full understanding of your reasoning and desire to find *where* failure is coming from. with no more response than you have of one other poster so far, would this not tend to show that it would be something you 2 have in common in configuring your system? granted, it is something that should not happen. but it is. therefore i would think that you and andy need to see what you have in common in setups, permissions, and paths, etc. also, a request for others who are using cups, if they would check cupsd.conf and printers.conf files to see if authentication line is present. then, if you have a large response of line present, you have narrowed you search to other than just cups. just a suggestion. use it or not. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 22:52 +, g wrote: Craig White wrote: snip On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 21:21 +, g wrote: Craig White wrote: snip I hope that you won't mind that I will continue to ignore your suggestions thinking that they are not useful and even if they worked, that isn't the intended behavior and thus no solution at all. not at all. what ever churns your butter. if such an easy change is too much for you, then do not. after all it is your system to fight with. as for me, i did spend a couple minutes to make change, as i found thru google, and it did work. granted, it may something different in your system. i do know/recall that i did have to add myself to 'lp' group, under mandrake 9 and 10, when i could not print as a 'user', but could as 'root'. I would rather remove the line once in a while than start mucking with system groups but more to the point and the one you seem to be missing is that the bandaid approach you suggest helps no one else. I'm far more interested in a real solution to the problem because others are sure to experience this issue. i am in full understanding of your reasoning and desire to find *where* failure is coming from. with no more response than you have of one other poster so far, would this not tend to show that it would be something you 2 have in common in configuring your system? granted, it is something that should not happen. but it is. therefore i would think that you and andy need to see what you have in common in setups, permissions, and paths, etc. also, a request for others who are using cups, if they would check cupsd.conf and printers.conf files to see if authentication line is present. then, if you have a large response of line present, you have narrowed you search to other than just cups. just a suggestion. use it or not. Not a chance... because I reverted to distribution version of cupsd.conf and have only 2 printers configured and the configuration is fairly basic. I put in a bugzilla report. I know that Tim Waugh usually monitors this list but guess he must be on a summer vacation because he is the master of all things printers on RH/Fedora. We'll get to the bottom of it - and I'm pretty patient and suspect that Tim will sound off in a few days. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Craig White wrote: snip We'll get to the bottom of it - and I'm pretty patient and suspect that Tim will sound off in a few days. in all sincerity, i do wish you much luck. this weekend i hope to get f9 respin burned and installed. i will be setting up cups with 3 printers and do look forward to see what happens. being that i will use mozilla firefox/thunderbird, i will try printing with them. i know, you did not mention tbird. are there any other programs that you have found this problem with? my main usage will be with gnucash, several cad programs along with gimp, maybe xsane. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
also, a request for others who are using cups, if they would check cupsd.conf and printers.conf files to see if authentication line is present. I use CUPs (F8). No AuthInfoRequired line present. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 17:19 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote: also, a request for others who are using cups, if they would check cupsd.conf and printers.conf files to see if authentication line is present. I use CUPs (F8). No AuthInfoRequired line present. of course not because if it was there, you would be complaining. people should ignore geleem's request - he's not having a problem anyway and isn't helping with a solution. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Craig White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 17:19 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote: also, a request for others who are using cups, if they would check cupsd.conf and printers.conf files to see if authentication line is present. I use CUPs (F8). No AuthInfoRequired line present. of course not because if it was there, you would be complaining. You're probably right. However, I am intrigued as to how that line got to where it is. people should ignore geleem's request - he's not having a problem anyway and isn't helping with a solution. He's just stirring things up to start another 100-message thread, eh? ;-) Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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Craig White wrote: snip of course not because if it was there, you would be complaining. yet for some reason, he is on who is not having a problem. why? i do not know. do you? people should ignore geleem's request what is wrong with a survey? even if you do not care to hear of others good fortune, i do. any way, others are welcome to reply to me. heck, i will even start a new thread if that will appease you. - he's not having a problem anyway and isn't helping with a solution. not yet. as i do not have cups set up in f8. now that f9 respin is out, and i get it installed, i will set up cups. i may not have any problem. then again, i might. it really depends on how i have it set up and configured. how can i help with a solution if i do not have a problem to deal with? that is other than a survey to find out. if a 1000 reply with out problems and 4 or 5 reply with a problem, then that would indicate to me that there is a problem, but it is one that is unique. in as much, if i am of the 4 or 5 with a problem, then i would like to know even more where i messed up and correct it. as i have stated in other post, i am an 'old head' and at same time i am a 'newbie'. life would become dull if i were to ever think of myself as an all knowing expert. i do hope that when i stop learning it will be when i die. one thing i have learned thru my years playing with computers, they can mess up, so can i. many time when a computer messes up, it is because i have either not understood what they were capable of doing, or because i have programed them incorrectly, or there has been a hardware failure. later. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Aldo Foot wrote: snip He's just stirring things up to start another 100-message thread, eh? ;-) not even. just trying to learn and understand. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 01:24 +, g wrote: Craig White wrote: snip of course not because if it was there, you would be complaining. yet for some reason, he is on who is not having a problem. why? i do not know. do you? people should ignore geleem's request what is wrong with a survey? because it makes no sense to pollute a thread with what we already know...that most people aren't having this problem. It's no different than adding myself to lp group. While that might allow me to print, it doesn't really solve the problem and I can get it to print anyway. I understand that your intentions are good but you want to inject yourself in something that doesn't involve you and offer a hack solution that ultimately leads to nowhere. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Craig White wrote: I routinely set up cups to offer print queues for users whether Linux (automatic discovery, automatic setup), Macintosh (via cups or via netatalk) and Windows (via Samba, providing APW) and cups has been a remarkable print server/service with very few problems. Just a brief observation from a non-techie. I've noticed most people who write about using CUPS with Windows machines talk of Samba. I've found no problem using Windows directly, just pointing the printer under Windows to something like http://192.168.2.2/printers/lj (in my case). Obviously I try to stay away from editing the cups config files by hand because they tend to get trampled on by cups configuration tools (http://localhost:631) or via system-config-printer (which finally seems to live in peace alongside cups configuration tools). My impression is that CUPS has improved greatly, and it is no longer necessary to edit the CUPS config files directly, as it used to be until fairly recently. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 14:19 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: Craig White wrote: I routinely set up cups to offer print queues for users whether Linux (automatic discovery, automatic setup), Macintosh (via cups or via netatalk) and Windows (via Samba, providing APW) and cups has been a remarkable print server/service with very few problems. Just a brief observation from a non-techie. I've noticed most people who write about using CUPS with Windows machines talk of Samba. I've found no problem using Windows directly, just pointing the printer under Windows to something like http://192.168.2.2/printers/lj (in my case). I agree though normally, I handle spooling the other way...printer connected to Linux, Windows accessing printer via Linux. In this case, somehow a requirement to authenticate slipped into the printer configuration Obviously I try to stay away from editing the cups config files by hand because they tend to get trampled on by cups configuration tools (http://localhost:631) or via system-config-printer (which finally seems to live in peace alongside cups configuration tools). My impression is that CUPS has improved greatly, and it is no longer necessary to edit the CUPS config files directly, as it used to be until fairly recently. I think that the issue was using both the cups web interface and system-config-printer would result in broken configs and that seems to have been fixed. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 18:07 +, g wrote: Craig White wrote: snip AuthInfoRequired negotiate got into /etc/cups/printers.conf in the printer definition and removing the line completely solved it. I have no idea how it got there because you use a computer and it forgot 1st law? interesting anyway. do printers set up with this install. i use it just for internet. will check files under other installs. will be interesting to see what they have. glad you got it working. sometimes, I haven't a clue to references that you make - i.e. - 1st law? I routinely set up cups to offer print queues for users whether Linux (automatic discovery, automatic setup), Macintosh (via cups or via netatalk) and Windows (via Samba, providing APW) and cups has been a remarkable print server/service with very few problems. Obviously I try to stay away from editing the cups config files by hand because they tend to get trampled on by cups configuration tools (http://localhost:631) or via system-config-printer (which finally seems to live in peace alongside cups configuration tools). Something, somewhere, somehow entered that line in the printers.conf file (AuthInfoRequired negotiate) as I am quite certain that I didn't put it in there - not even from an errant selection in one of the above mentioned configuration tools. Anyway, c'est la vie - that's what I get for not raking through the config files with emacs and relying upon the gui tools Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Craig White wrote: snip sometimes, I haven't a clue to references that you make - i.e. - 1st law? execute as instructed. which is where i have found assembler to be better at than using an 'interpreter/compiler'. if you can understand 'machine code', using assembler makes for a closer relationship with processor. where as with interpreter/compiler, you have to depend on how someone else thinks they know what you want to do. Obviously I try to stay away from editing the cups config files by hand because they tend to get trampled on by cups configuration tools very true. which is where if you do a manual config, _always_ make and save a backup copy of what you do. then if something breaks, you can look at what you did and what config tool did and gain a better understanding of what and how to make a manual change. fstab is a very good example of this. Something, somewhere, somehow entered that line in the printers.conf snip and a prime example of if you make a manual change [not implying that you did, only if you had] having your own backup of what you did, what tool had done would have stood out more. i am still at a wonder of why order of deny before allow in other file. just does not seem logical. but then i do not know how source writers set up things for file info is setup to use it. Anyway, c'est la vie - that's what I get for not raking through the config files with emacs and relying upon the gui tools and allowing someone/thing else to interpret what you want. anyway, it is working and that is what counts. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Craig White wrote: I returned my inkjet printer to service after some time and hadn't used this printer with Linux since F7 if not before F7. In 'Administration = Printing', I can print test page no problem (obviously as root). But as a user, I get an error that seems to be authentication but I can't fix it. cups in LogLevel debug... D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] cupsdAcceptClient: 8 from localhost:631 (IPv4) D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] cupsdReadClient: 8 POST / HTTP/1.1 D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] CUPS-Get-Printers D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] cupsdProcessIPPRequest: 8 status_code=0 (successful-ok) D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] cupsdReadClient: 8 POST / HTTP/1.1 D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] CUPS-Get-Classes D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] cupsdProcessIPPRequest: 8 status_code=0 (successful-ok) D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] cupsdReadClient: 8 POST / HTTP/1.1 D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] CUPS-Get-Default D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:49 -0700] cupsdProcessIPPRequest: 8 status_code=0 (successful-ok) D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:52 -0700] cupsdReadClient: 8 POST /printers/officejet HTTP/1.1 D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:52 -0700] cupsdAuthorize: No authentication data provided. D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:52 -0700] Print-Job ipp://localhost/printers/officejet D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:52 -0700] print_job: auto-typing file... E [18/Jul/2008:09:24:52 -0700] Print-Job: Unauthorized D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:52 -0700] cupsdSendError: 8 code=401 (Unauthorized) D [18/Jul/2008:09:24:52 -0700] cupsdSendHeader: WWW-Authenticate: Negotiate and appropriate section of cupsd.conf... Location /printers/officejet Order Deny,Allow Deny From All Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 192.168.2.0 AuthType None /Location which clearly tells me that no authentication should be necessary How do I fix this? i am not using f9, nor windows. i do use cups under another system, but not this one so i can not look at conf files. from above, i have a question. what would happen if you changed above to read; Location /printers/officejet Order Allow,Deny Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 192.168.2.0 Deny From All AuthType None /Location this is logic order of 'host' allow then deny. just a thought. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
g wrote: snip and appropriate section of cupsd.conf... Location /printers/officejet Order Deny,Allow Deny From All Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 192.168.2.0 AuthType None /Location which clearly tells me that no authentication should be necessary How do I fix this? i am not using f9, nor windows. i do use cups under another system, but not this one so i can not look at conf files. from above, i have a question. what would happen if you changed above to read; Location /printers/officejet Order Allow,Deny Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 192.168.2.0 Deny From All AuthType None /Location this is logic order of 'host' allow then deny. just a thought. in thinking about above, i checked cups.conf and found that, Policy default Limit Pause-Printer Resume-Printer Limit Cancel-Job CUPS-Authenticate-Job Limit All are in 'deny,allow' order, rest are 'allow,deny' order. so this makes me wonder why an order of 'allow,deny' would not be used in all cases. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 13:50 +, g wrote: g wrote: snip and appropriate section of cupsd.conf... Location /printers/officejet Order Deny,Allow Deny From All Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 192.168.2.0 AuthType None /Location which clearly tells me that no authentication should be necessary How do I fix this? i am not using f9, nor windows. i do use cups under another system, but not this one so i can not look at conf files. from above, i have a question. what would happen if you changed above to read; Location /printers/officejet Order Allow,Deny Allow From 127.0.0.1 Allow From 192.168.2.0 Deny From All AuthType None /Location this is logic order of 'host' allow then deny. just a thought. in thinking about above, i checked cups.conf and found that, Policy default Limit Pause-Printer Resume-Printer Limit Cancel-Job CUPS-Authenticate-Job Limit All are in 'deny,allow' order, rest are 'allow,deny' order. so this makes me wonder why an order of 'allow,deny' would not be used in all cases. actually, somehow, this... AuthInfoRequired negotiate got into /etc/cups/printers.conf in the printer definition and removing the line completely solved it. I have no idea how it got there Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
Craig White wrote: snip AuthInfoRequired negotiate got into /etc/cups/printers.conf in the printer definition and removing the line completely solved it. I have no idea how it got there because you use a computer and it forgot 1st law? interesting anyway. do printers set up with this install. i use it just for internet. will check files under other installs. will be interesting to see what they have. glad you got it working. later. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
