Re: [Fedora-music-list] Better information needed for noobs like me

2009-12-27 Thread birger
On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 11:11 -0800, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
 They is just me and I did not have time to update the web site
 before I left on vacation (I never recommended fc11 as it had a basic
 bug with the alsa sequencer not being loaded that took a _full_ release
 - 6 months! - to get fixed). Fc12 is basically there, there's basically
 just a few meta-packages missing. 

That explains a lot. In hindsight it is of course easy to recommend that
the reason for omitting F11 should have been mentioned on that page so
the project didn't seem like it had been without maintenance for 6
months. There are always a lot of dead or dying branches in the open
source world and it is very easy to dismiss anything that looks stale
and just search elsewhere. But then of course Hindsight is foresight
that happens too late. It isn't easy to see that when you work on the
project and know it's alive. :-)

birger




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[Fedora-music-list] Better information needed for noobs like me

2009-12-23 Thread birger
Thank you all for a very nice initiative, getting all the great audio
software working on a great linux distro. :-)

I have browsed archives a few months back, and I have looked at the
'obvious' places.

As a complete noob regarding studio work, mixers, effects and the whole
'audio workstation' thing I would love to see a little documentation
holding my hand through the first configuration steps. Something that
tells me how to do it for the latest Fedora release so I know I am not
following incompatible howtos for different applications and different
distros.

I think something like this would work:
 - Basic setup (something like the articles at
http://www.passback.org.uk/music/ updated for latest Fedora)

 - Simple special purpose workstations. Simple separate howtos building
on the basic one but setting up simple environments for various
purposes. Examples would be 'guitar utilities and effects processor',
'connecting a MIDI keyboard', and so on. Making sure everything gets
done in a coherent fashion so bits and pieces can be mixed without
running into problems later on.


Some of the problems I have run into trying to master this are:
guitarix not starting without qjackctl and arts installed. No messages
until I ran from command line.
Correct user configuration for jack (audio group membership).
Choppy sound in tuxguitar, and no matter what I do I cannot seem to get
completely rid of it. Probably because I don't quite understand what I
am doing to fix it. There are so many options...
I cannot find my USB headset in Jack audio. Is it possible to use it? It
works fine in pulseaudio.

These are issues that don't work out of the box yet, and I hope someone
can write a little documentation on how to do it all the correct fedora
way. :-)


With kind regards
birger


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Re: [Fedora-music-list] Better information needed for noobs like me

2009-12-23 Thread birger
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 07:46 -0500, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
 * The documentation is possibly what we lack most for the time being.
 Feel free to help us out if you have time and will to do so. We have
 started a page in the Fedora wiki a while ago
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AudioCreation
 for listing our audio creation type software (Fedora only) but yet it
 needs a lot more work.

I will be happy to write a little once I feel that I know what I am
writing about :-D

 
 * PlanetCCRMA is ready for F-11 and F-12. See for instance:
 http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/12/i386/
 http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/12/x86_64/
 You probably need the planetccrma-repo package from that repo. (Be
 careful about  the architecture)

They have just forgotten to mention it on the web page? I only found
links to the repo packages for F7 to F10... I'll add the ccrma repos if
I bump into something that I want from there. For now it seems like
everything I have needed has migrated over to rpmfusion.

 * Install the multimedia-menus package

Already done. :-)

 * For guitarix, after you filed the bug, I saw that the application
 looks for qjackctl and if it is missing it looks for a ~/.jackdrc file
 in your home directory. If it cannot find either of them, it fails.
 The ~/.jackdrc is always there when you have a working jack setup. I
 didn't think about the case where someone would start guitarix on a
 fresh installation, which hasn't run jackd yet.

:-D That explains a lot. I guess this may bite more packages if they are
the first jack app to get started.

 * Check out the updates-testing repository frequently. New updates
 usually go there first. Typically they stay there for 2 weeks and if
 no bugs are reported they go to stable. For example, Martin is a very
 good tester and I appreciate his contributions. But of course, having
 more testers won't hurt :)

I have a desktop PC at work running rawhide, so I am used to testing :-)

 * Pulseaudio is pain. As a Fedora developer, normally I shouldn't
 recommend anything about not using it.

I understand the dilemma. What are the options for having jack and pulse
coexist? I will not give up pulseaudio on my work PC, but I guess that
in the end I will need a dedicated PC for music.

Currently I have pulseaudio running with my USB headset as default
output since jack doesn't see it yet. Jack then gets the soundcard. Both
seem happy :-)

 * Look at /usr/share/doc/jack-audio-connection-kit-0.118.0/README.Fedora
Will have a look. :-)

 * For tuxguitar, please try the version from updates-testing. 
Will definitely do. I tried getting it connected to jack, but it didn't
seem to react to anything I did in qjackctl so I guess it was still
talking to some other driver.

 * qjackctl and qsynth are your friends.
Must look at qsynth then. Thanks for the tip.

 * For recordingmixing, ardour is still the best in my opinion.
Great. I wasn't looking forward to wading through the app list to find
what I needed for mixing.

 * As Martin said, PlanetCCRMA list is a good  list to subscribe. It is
 a lot more active than this one. And we have Fernando, the Great there
 :)
I will definitely have to add myself there even if I don't plan to use
the repos yet. :-)

I will play around with all this new knowledge and see if I can find a
suitable PC after the holidays. In the meantime, I'll just wish
everybody here a merry christmas.

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