[Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Evan Lavelle
It seems I've been a bit thick. It's been pretty obvious recently that Xen isn't flavour of the month around here, but I assumed there were good reasons for that. Now, rather belatedly, I've found http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2008/qumranet.html In short, RedHat paid $107 million

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Jan ONDREJ (SAL)
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 08:15:00AM +, Evan Lavelle wrote: It seems I've been a bit thick. It's been pretty obvious recently that Xen isn't flavour of the month around here, but I assumed there were good reasons for that. Now, rather belatedly, I've found

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 08:15:00AM +, Evan Lavelle wrote: It seems I've been a bit thick. It's been pretty obvious recently that Xen isn't flavour of the month around here, but I assumed there were good reasons for that. Now, rather belatedly, I've found

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Jan ONDREJ (SAL)
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:04:34PM +0200, Neil Thompson wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:51:07AM +0100, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:44:35AM +0200, Neil Thompson wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 08:15:00AM +, Evan Lavelle wrote: RHEL (and CentOS) 5.3 has support

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread M A Young
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:44:35AM +0200, Neil Thompson wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 08:15:00AM +, Evan Lavelle wrote: RHEL (and CentOS) 5.3 has support for Fedora 10 (and above) domUs, and Fedora 11 should have, as well. Just there is at

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 09:20:48AM +0100, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote: KVM is still not a replacement for paravirtualized machines and I think fully virtualized KVM will be slower like a paravirtualized XEN. KVM is a great replacement for Xen. It's much easier to use for a start -- no more

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Emre Erenoglu
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Evan Lavelle sa212+fc...@cyconix.comsa212%2bfc...@cyconix.com wrote: Veli-Pekka Kestilä wrote: Also I don't think kvm will be that different or hard to learn if it becomes to that. It actually has paravirtual network drivers for windows from Qumranet which

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Jan ONDREJ (SAL)
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 01:40:55PM +0200, Veli-Pekka Kestilä wrote: I would really recommend you to change the Dom0 to be CentOS 5.2 or newer, Fedora 8 has been Dead about ½-month allready and will not get It's not easy to convert my Dom0 to CentOS, but may be it will be only one whing

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Jan ONDREJ (SAL)
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:50:39AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 09:20:48AM +0100, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote: KVM is still not a replacement for paravirtualized machines and I think fully virtualized KVM will be slower like a paravirtualized XEN. KVM is a great

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Jan ONDREJ (SAL)
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:47:55AM +, M A Young wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:44:35AM +0200, Neil Thompson wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 08:15:00AM +, Evan Lavelle wrote: RHEL (and CentOS) 5.3 has support for Fedora 10 (and above)

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Veli-Pekka Kestilä
Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 01:40:55PM +0200, Veli-Pekka Kestilä wrote: Also I don't think kvm will be that different or hard to learn if it becomes to that. It actually has paravirtual network drivers for windows from Qumranet which you can get without extra fee so I

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 01:12:52PM +0100, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:50:39AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 09:20:48AM +0100, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote: KVM is still not a replacement for paravirtualized machines and I think fully virtualized

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Jan ONDREJ (SAL)
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:19:31PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 01:12:52PM +0100, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote: You have to tell the host to give the guest a virtio network card - change the NIC model type='virtio'/ as described here: Many thanks. Works well.

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 02:28:36PM +0100, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote: virtio_net works well, but I have trouble to boot from virtio_blk. I can add second disk as virto block device, but I can't boot from first disk. When using sedond disk, everything works well. When booting via grub, this is on

Switching from IDE to virtio_blk [qas Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?]

2009-01-21 Thread Mark McLoughlin
(This is all getting offtopic for fedora-xen, we should really move to fedora-virt) On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 14:28 +0100, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote: virtio_net works well, but I have trouble to boot from virtio_blk. I can add second disk as virto block device, but I can't boot from first disk.

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 01:45:52PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 02:28:36PM +0100, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote: virtio_net works well, but I have trouble to boot from virtio_blk. I can add second disk as virto block device, but I can't boot from first disk. When

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
I think it will not be in 2.6.29. Although http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenParavirtOps says thatit's planned for 2.6.29, I can't see any progres in 2.6.29-rc2 changelog: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.29-rc2

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, Just tell it to include virtio_blk module explicitly eg mkinitrd --with=virtio_blk .other option... virtio_pci too (which is probably the issue in this case, as the reporter sayed virtio_blk is included already). cheers, Gerd -- Fedora-xen mailing list

Re: Switching from IDE to virtio_blk [qas Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?]

2009-01-21 Thread Emre Erenoglu
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: (This is all getting offtopic for fedora-xen, we should really move to fedora-virt) On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 14:28 +0100, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote: virtio_net works well, but I have trouble to boot from virtio_blk. I

Re: Switching from IDE to virtio_blk [qas Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?]

2009-01-21 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 03:06:43PM +0100, Emre Erenoglu wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: (This is all getting offtopic for fedora-xen, we should really move to fedora-virt) On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 14:28 +0100, Jan ONDREJ (SAL) wrote:

Re: Switching from IDE to virtio_blk [qas Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?]

2009-01-21 Thread Emre Erenoglu
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.comwrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 03:06:43PM +0100, Emre Erenoglu wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: (This is all getting offtopic for fedora-xen, we should really move to

[Fedora-xen] Migration from Xen to KVM

2009-01-21 Thread jean-Noël Chardron
Hello, rjo...@redhat.com wrotes about migration : Install a recent Linux kernel in the guest, adjust the configuration file[1], and reboot. You only need Xenner if you want to run the Xen PV guest unchanged (ie. without installing a new guest kernel). Rich. [1] 'virsh edit domname', and

Re: [Fedora-xen] Migration from Xen to KVM

2009-01-21 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 16:22 +0100, jean-Noël Chardron wrote: jean-Noël Chardron a écrit : Hello, rjo...@redhat.com wrotes about migration : Install a recent Linux kernel in the guest, adjust the configuration file[1], and reboot. You only need Xenner if you want to run the Xen PV

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 02:20:19PM +0200, Veli-Pekka Kestilä wrote: So all in all I think for me this aquisition is good news. I think most problems with xen comes from xensource as it's they only product generating income and for that reason the opensource version seems to get less care

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Ian Jackson
Jos Vos writes (Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?): On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 01:53:19PM +0200, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: I think Xensource is putting a lot of effort into opensource Xen. I've heard totally different stories from others. For almost every problem you report, they'll

RE: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Dustin Henning
I tried the Qumranet drivers before I went with Xen. I don't think there is necessarily a problem with the Qumranet drivers, in fact, they could potentially have better inbound speeds than the GPLPV ones (though it seems unlikely as much as people test and James works on them on the

RE: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Dustin Henning
Also, while I'm on the topic, PCI-passthrough was a factor in my decision as well. Unfortunately, I'm stuck on F8 as well, because I can't get networking to work on CentOS Xen with my hardware. However, I understand what is going on, so I'm just holding my breath. Dustin

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Avi Kivity
Dustin Henning wrote: I tried the Qumranet drivers before I went with Xen. I don't think there is necessarily a problem with the Qumranet drivers, in fact, they could potentially have better inbound speeds than the GPLPV ones (though it seems unlikely as much as people test and James

RE: Switching from IDE to virtio_blk [qas Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?]

2009-01-21 Thread Dustin Henning
It is probably worth noting that if someone were to run a kernel update with a package manager after getting this working (using information from later posts in this thread), they would need to do a manual mkinitrd. At least that was my experience some time ago when switching from hda to

Re: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 01:40:38PM -0500, Dustin Henning wrote: Also, while I'm on the topic, PCI-passthrough was a factor in my decision as well. Unfortunately, I'm stuck on F8 as well, because I can't get networking to work on CentOS Xen with my hardware. However, I understand what

RE: [Fedora-xen] Goodbye Xen on RH/Fedora?

2009-01-21 Thread Dustin Henning
Wow, maybe the F8 documentation doesn't cover that, or maybe I'm remembering wrong, but good to know for future testing. Thanks. -Original Message- From: Avi Kivity [mailto:a...@redhat.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 13:43 To: dustin.henn...@prd-inc.com Cc: 'Evan Lavelle';