Re: Another vet's research re various treatments
Thanks Kelly. Some vets don't believe interferon works, but so far it seems to be helping Isabella during the 7 days on. I have posted this earlier but I had 2 FELV+ cats who lived to 22 and 16 years. Squeaky (22) was never treated and was asymptomatic until his final weeks (oral cancer killed him). We treated whatever illnesses arose with Stripes, with antibiotics and Vitamin B injections. I don't know if anyone knew about all these other treatments then. Some vets would have recommended EU them. They were very large boys. Squeak was healthy all the time and Stripes was heathly most of the time. Laurie - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Another vet's research re various treatments At 07:36 PM 7/7/2007, you wrote: I am using immuno regulin and Alferon, ( natural interferon) I am not using the Acemamman. My felv kitty has been asymptomatic and these are basically prophylactic treatments, I do know the pred ( and I would probably use the prednisolone) doe help the rbs destruction, depending upon the cause. I used the I.R per protocol initially IV and am now doing .5cc IM q month like they are doing for the FELV cats in the FELV area at Best Friends. Best of Luck kelly  Offered as information This was in response to my inquiry about treating with immunoreglin Re: immunoreglin ~ most of the FeLV eexperts feel that it has not been shown to have any positive benefit for cats with FeLV. Examples: My hospital was involved in a nationwide testing of Immunoregulin. The clinical trial was cancelled midway thru the trial because their own clinical staff said things were not looking positive. Immunoregulin is IV, and we used it at 0.5cc once a week. You have to shake the bottle really well to mix thoroughly. There isn't really any downside to it, but it will not help any more than interferon or staph lysate. Your patient needs steroids to help prevent the RBC destruction. In the interim between posting my question and reading your reply, our little cat became acutely febrile (106.3) and was hospitalized overnight on fluids, antibiotics and Interferon. She kicked her fever within 24 hours, and is now home on daily cefadrops with Interferon. We are also going to try Immunoreglin and Acemannan with this little peanut...Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Neither have been shown to have any demonstrable benefit in controlled studies. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM
Re: Another vet's research re various treatments
I'm pretty sure that Acemannan bought Mama Kitty an extra year with a good quality of life. It helped her appetite too. elizabeth On 7/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Offered as information This was in response to my inquiry about treating with immunoreglin Re: immunoreglin ~ most of the FeLV eexperts feel that it has not been shown to have any positive benefit for cats with FeLV. Examples: My hospital was involved in a nationwide testing of Immunoregulin. The clinical trial was cancelled midway thru the trial because their own clinical staff said things were not looking positive. Immunoregulin is IV, and we used it at 0.5cc once a week. You have to shake the bottle really well to mix thoroughly. There isn't really any downside to it, but it will not help any more than interferon or staph lysate. Your patient needs steroids to help prevent the RBC destruction. In the interim between posting my question and reading your reply, our little cat became acutely febrile (106.3) and was hospitalized overnight on fluids, antibiotics and Interferon. She kicked her fever within 24 hours, and is now home on daily cefadrops with Interferon. We are also going to try Immunoreglin and Acemannan with this little peanut...Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Neither have been shown to have any demonstrable benefit in controlled studies.
Re: Another vet's research re various treatments
How did you get the Acemannan? Gloria in Arkansas On Jul 8, 2007, at 10:47 AM, elizabeth trent wrote: I'm pretty sure that Acemannan bought Mama Kitty an extra year with a good quality of life. It helped her appetite too. elizabeth On 7/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Offered as information This was in response to my inquiry about treating with immunoreglin Re: immunoreglin ~ most of the FeLV eexperts feel that it has not been shown to have any positive benefit for cats with FeLV. Examples: My hospital was involved in a nationwide testing of Immunoregulin. The clinical trial was cancelled midway thru the trial because their own clinical staff said things were not looking positive. Immunoregulin is IV, and we used it at 0.5cc once a week. You have to shake the bottle really well to mix thoroughly. There isn't really any downside to it, but it will not help any more than interferon or staph lysate. Your patient needs steroids to help prevent the RBC destruction. In the interim between posting my question and reading your reply, our little cat became acutely febrile (106.3) and was hospitalized overnight on fluids, antibiotics and Interferon. She kicked her fever within 24 hours, and is now home on daily cefadrops with Interferon. We are also going to try Immunoreglin and Acemannan with this little peanut...Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Neither have been shown to have any demonstrable benefit in controlled studies.
Re: Another vet's research re various treatments
Acemannan is manufactured by Veterinary Products Laboratories http://www.vpl.com/product.php?catmain=mainkey=pid=80key=acemannancat=Wound%20Management Using it for FeVL+ is an off label use of the drug. It is a series of weekly shots administered directly into the stomach. I was terrified of Mama Kitty going through that but she did very well. We also gave her steroids and supplements...but once she started the Acemannan, we noticed a difference quickly. It's not cheap, by the way...Seems like I paid close to $400 for a five week treatment. I read a number of articles about it and discussed it with my vet. He researched it too and ordered some through a distributor. (The VPL website lists distributors by state too). All I know is that it changed my vet's mind about recommended Euthanasia for FeVL+. He says he would use it again. It was amazing she made it through that crash. It's not a cure all - do all...but it made a lot of difference that time. Mama Kitty finally came to a point where nothing could help her and she went down rapidly...but there is nothing I would trade for that extra year we got. She was even playing with her toys again. On 7/8/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you get the Acemannan? Gloria in Arkansas On Jul 8, 2007, at 10:47 AM, elizabeth trent wrote: I'm pretty sure that Acemannan bought Mama Kitty an extra year with a good quality of life. It helped her appetite too. elizabeth On 7/7/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Offered as information This was in response to my inquiry about treating with immunoreglin Re: immunoreglin ~ most of the FeLV eexperts feel that it has not been shown to have any positive benefit for cats with FeLV. Examples: My hospital was involved in a nationwide testing of Immunoregulin. The clinical trial was cancelled midway thru the trial because their own clinical staff said things were not looking positive. Immunoregulin is IV, and we used it at 0.5cc once a week. You have to shake the bottle really well to mix thoroughly. There isn't really any downside to it, but it will not help any more than interferon or staph lysate. Your patient needs steroids to help prevent the RBC destruction. In the interim between posting my question and reading your reply, our little cat became acutely febrile (106.3) and was hospitalized overnight on fluids, antibiotics and Interferon. She kicked her fever within 24 hours, and is now home on daily cefadrops with Interferon. We are also going to try Immunoreglin and Acemannan with this little peanut...Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Neither have been shown to have any demonstrable benefit in controlled studies.
OT: Does anyone know if this is true?
Before I get worked up on a rampage, does anyone know if this is true? Hello everyone, One of the major cat food manufacturers which donates food to the feral cat rescue groups, Natural Balance, has released a large amount of recalled canned cat food to rescue groups for feral cat consumption. Although the labels and lot codes on these cans are listed by the FDA as recalled due to the melamine contamination, Natural Balance is taking the stand that it is ok to feed the recalled food to our feral cats. I feel that this is inhumane and negligent of Natural Balance. These cats already suffer greatly by living outdoors year round, some without shelter, without flea and mite protection, or the benefit of veterinary care to help diagnose and treat illness. Renal failure is a horrible death for these cats to suffer needlessly. For Natural Balance to assume that it is ok to feed the recalled food to our feral cats is wrong. Please check the bar codes and lot numbers of your Natural Balance canned and dry food products that have been donated to you for your feral cats. Dispose of any food that is listed by the FDA due to melamine contamination. If you are in doubt about the safety of the Natural Balance food you are feeding, don't take the chance, and dispose of it. DO NOT FEED RECALLED PET FOOD TO YOUR FERAL CATS! Also, check the expiration dates on the food you feed. Some of the food being distributed by other companies is more than 3 months expired and many lots over one year expired!! One recent lot donated to us was from December, 2005!!! The idea that canned and dry food is still ok to feed to your ferals is wrong! Expired dry and canned cat food will go rancid (spoilage of fats in the food), develope bacterial overgrowth, become moldy with fungus, or develop worms and/or maggots that are not visible to the human eye. Cats can develop significant gastrointestinal, nervous system, kidney, and liver liver problems if they eat expired food. Kittens may not thrive and begin to waste, and older cats can die. DO NOT FEED EXPIRED CANNED OR DRY FOOD TO YOUR FERAL CATS! The companies should be disposing of these foods, and not donating it to rescue groups. These companies get to deduct the full cost of these foods on their income tax, thereby recovering the financial loss of the bad foods at our expense and at the health and lives of our feral cats. DO NOT ACCEPT RECALLED FOOD OR EXPIRED FOOD FROM PET FOOD DISTRIBUTORS. PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF YOUR FERAL CATS. IF WE DON'T SPEAK FOR THEM, NO ONE WILL. --Patricia J. Meredith, MD, PhD __._,_.___ Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: Does anyone know if this is true?
Here is a later update from the person who originally posted the warning. Gary Dear Diana and Franny, We have been in contact with Natural Balance and they have offered the following explanation: evidently the canned food they donated to us was good despite the UPC label code being listing on the FDA recall list. All canned cat food for Natural Balance has now been reformulated and has a new label, but a few early batches were packaged inadvertenly with the old label and the recalled UPC code. Natural Balance is offering to replace all of the canned food with the older, recalled labels with food that has been packaged with the new label. They have apologized for the mix-up. We thank Natural Balance for their prompt response to our inquiry. They are doing everything possible to pull the cans with the wrong labels, and we are currently in the process of returning the batch of canned food with the recalled labels to Natural Balance. We continue to feel that Natural Balance is a superb source of nutrition for our feral cats. Please check your labels and return all recalled foods to the manufacturer. Sincerely, Patricia J. Meredith, MD - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: OT: Does anyone know if this is true? Before I get worked up on a rampage, does anyone know if this is true? Hello everyone, One of the major cat food manufacturers which donates food to the feral cat rescue groups, Natural Balance, has released a large amount of recalled canned cat food to rescue groups for feral cat consumption. Although the labels and lot codes on these cans are listed by the FDA as recalled due to the melamine contamination, Natural Balance is taking the stand that it is ok to feed the recalled food to our feral cats. I feel that this is inhumane and negligent of Natural Balance. These cats already suffer greatly by living outdoors year round, some without shelter, without flea and mite protection, or the benefit of veterinary care to help diagnose and treat illness. Renal failure is a horrible death for these cats to suffer needlessly. For Natural Balance to assume that it is ok to feed the recalled food to our feral cats is wrong. Please check the bar codes and lot numbers of your Natural Balance canned and dry food products that have been donated to you for your feral cats. Dispose of any food that is listed by the FDA due to melamine contamination. If you are in doubt about the safety of the Natural Balance food you are feeding, don't take the chance, and dispose of it. DO NOT FEED RECALLED PET FOOD TO YOUR FERAL CATS! Also, check the expiration dates on the food you feed. Some of the food being distributed by other companies is more than 3 months expired and many lots over one year expired!! One recent lot donated to us was from December, 2005!!! The idea that canned and dry food is still ok to feed to your ferals is wrong! Expired dry and canned cat food will go rancid (spoilage of fats in the food), develope bacterial overgrowth, become moldy with fungus, or develop worms and/or maggots that are not visible to the human eye. Cats can develop significant gastrointestinal, nervous system, kidney, and liver liver problems if they eat expired food. Kittens may not thrive and begin to waste, and older cats can die. DO NOT FEED EXPIRED CANNED OR DRY FOOD TO YOUR FERAL CATS! The companies should be disposing of these foods, and not donating it to rescue groups. These companies get to deduct the full cost of these foods on their income tax, thereby recovering the financial loss of the bad foods at our expense and at the health and lives of our feral cats. DO NOT ACCEPT RECALLED FOOD OR EXPIRED FOOD FROM PET FOOD DISTRIBUTORS. PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF YOUR FERAL CATS. IF WE DON'T SPEAK FOR THEM, NO ONE WILL. --Patricia J. Meredith, MD, PhD
Re: Does anyone know if this is true?
Thanks so much! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this is true? Here is a later update from the person who originally posted the warning. Gary Dear Diana and Franny, We have been in contact with Natural Balance and they have offered the following explanation: evidently the canned food they donated to us was good despite the UPC label code being listing on the FDA recall list. All canned cat food for Natural Balance has now been reformulated and has a new label, but a few early batches were packaged inadvertenly with the old label and the recalled UPC code. Natural Balance is offering to replace all of the canned food with the older, recalled labels with food that has been packaged with the new label. They have apologized for the mix-up. We thank Natural Balance for their prompt response to our inquiry. They are doing everything possible to pull the cans with the wrong labels, and we are currently in the process of returning the batch of canned food with the recalled labels to Natural Balance. We continue to feel that Natural Balance is a superb source of nutrition for our feral cats. Please check your labels and return all recalled foods to the manufacturer. Sincerely, Patricia J. Meredith, MD - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: OT: Does anyone know if this is true? Before I get worked up on a rampage, does anyone know if this is true? Hello everyone, One of the major cat food manufacturers which donates food to the feral cat rescue groups, Natural Balance, has released a large amount of recalled canned cat food to rescue groups for feral cat consumption. Although the labels and lot codes on these cans are listed by the FDA as recalled due to the melamine contamination, Natural Balance is taking the stand that it is ok to feed the recalled food to our feral cats. I feel that this is inhumane and negligent of Natural Balance. These cats already suffer greatly by living outdoors year round, some without shelter, without flea and mite protection, or the benefit of veterinary care to help diagnose and treat illness. Renal failure is a horrible death for these cats to suffer needlessly. For Natural Balance to assume that it is ok to feed the recalled food to our feral cats is wrong. Please check the bar codes and lot numbers of your Natural Balance canned and dry food products that have been donated to you for your feral cats. Dispose of any food that is listed by the FDA due to melamine contamination. If you are in doubt about the safety of the Natural Balance food you are feeding, don't take the chance, and dispose of it. DO NOT FEED RECALLED PET FOOD TO YOUR FERAL CATS! Also, check the expiration dates on the food you feed. Some of the food being distributed by other companies is more than 3 months expired and many lots over one year expired!! One recent lot donated to us was from December, 2005!!! The idea that canned and dry food is still ok to feed to your ferals is wrong! Expired dry and canned cat food will go rancid (spoilage of fats in the food), develope bacterial overgrowth, become moldy with fungus, or develop worms and/or maggots that are not visible to the human eye. Cats can develop significant gastrointestinal, nervous system, kidney, and liver liver problems if they eat expired food. Kittens may not thrive and begin to waste, and older cats can die. DO NOT FEED EXPIRED CANNED OR DRY FOOD TO YOUR FERAL CATS! The companies should be disposing of these foods, and not donating it to rescue groups. These companies get to deduct the full cost of these foods on their income tax, thereby recovering the financial loss of the bad foods at our expense and at the health and lives of our feral cats. DO NOT ACCEPT RECALLED FOOD OR EXPIRED FOOD FROM PET FOOD DISTRIBUTORS. PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF YOUR FERAL CATS. IF WE DON'T SPEAK FOR THEM, NO ONE WILL. --Patricia J. Meredith, MD, PhD
Re: Isabella update and homeopathic recommendations
Susan, do you have any idea of the dose of spirulina? Thanks from me 'n' the kitties Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 6, 2007, at 2:00 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Laura, I was @ my vet this morning, so I went ahead and picked up a package of Missiing Link. I have been meaning to try it on my felv+ gang, as well as work it into my other group of kitties eventually. Right now the nonfelv cats just get the brewer's yeast sprinkled on top of their dry food, which again is the Evo mixed w/ Core. Ok, both formulas say veterinary formula on the package. One package is gold, while the professional strength is on a silver package. The professional strength says it is for Recovery Detoxification. This is only available @ the vet's. I didn't have time @ the vet office to compare both packages to see what the ingredient difference was. But listed they have probiotics, carrot alfalfa powder, yeast, freeze dried beef liver, kelp, dandalion root, garlic, yucca as well as spirulina. I am interested most in the spirulina, I take that and I believe it helps me. A friend of mine had a felv+ cat that she gave spirulina to years ago, and the vet was amazed that he threw the virus. Hard to tell if he was just one of those cats that does, or if the spirulina actually helped. Another friend had a kitty that ate some of the bad pouch Nutro food that was going around, and went into renal failure @ the age of 3 years. He recovered after 2 weeks @ the vet and lots of sub Q's helped, but she also mixed up a batch of spirulina and some other things for him to get. She gave it to him orally, it was a liquid. Not sure how he is doing, I need to call her and see what it is that she was giving him. I paid $21. for one pound of supplement,must be kept in the fridge after opening use within 90 days. I will let you know if I see any difference in my felv+ cats, which as of now (knock on wood) are not symptomatic. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update and homeopathic recommendations Susan, great idea. I will check into itthanks for this suggestion, Laurie
Re: Birds, also, feliway....
Foxy and Hobbs are playing fort! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 5, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: Hobbs is an orangish tabby, probably more buff colored. Orange tabbies are the best I did see him 3 times on the 4th. Maybe he was Liberating himself form under the couch in the cat room. All I saw was his butt, though, scampering back under the couch when he saw me... :( He is living under there w/ Foxy Brown (she's the foxiest brown in town). She is a long furred tortie that was thrown out of a car onto a busy highway here in Austin a few years back. She was rescued by a policeman, but was injured pretty bad. She has never quite gotten over her fear. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:15 AM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway Dear Susan: What color is your little Hobbs? He'll probably come around with all the love in your house! He sounds like a really tough little guy! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation.
