Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement

2017-01-20 Thread Amani Oakley 
Hi Ardy. I just discovered this information on line. I had no idea it was the 
same stuff and you don’t need a prescription for it.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: January-19-17 11:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement

Hi Amani – you just reminded me that I had purchased Doxycyclene for our 21 
year old cockatiel – Selu – a few years ago. He was experiencing some 
respiratory problems and I had to mix it into his water. It worked well as I 
remember.
Ardy

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement

Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet think of the 
response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still very sick, and it is 
still well outside the normal range, but you’ve basically had a 60% increase in 
haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite amazing and wonderful. It is as good a 
result as you would have had with 2 units of blood being given as a 
transfusion, only it is much better than a transfusion because Curly is 
producing her own cells, rather than temporarily filling up with someone else’s 
blood.

With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would probably want 
to continue if you can. You’ve had a very good result. Why mess with the 
formula? I can’t say definitively, one way or the other, since I very much 
figured things out by running weekly blood work and if I saw a dip or a 
reversal in the numbers, I would adjust the medication accordingly. I don’t 
know if I am right about my Doxy theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my 
part, based on my non-vet research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of 
the effective package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check – perhaps 
slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis – enough to allow the 
body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I don’t think that the Winstrol 
on its own is enough.

With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of butter to 
coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since the quarter table it 
very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently that the Doxy we get from vets 
(and even from our doctors) is the same as what you can get to treat fish or 
birds, in a pet store, and that is sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 
1 tablet). A prescription isn’t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it 
can be mixed into food or liquid.

Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put on weight.

I love to hear good news on this front. Let’s hope she continues in the right 
direction.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Randy 
Henke
Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement

It has been a little over a month ago that I asked for advice on this forum for 
our little girl, Curly.
At that point, I had little hope. She was so lethargic and her hematocrit had 
dipped to a critical 9%. I took everyone's advice, especially Amani's, and 
asked our vet for Predisolone, Winstrol and Doxycycline.
According to her latest CBC two weeks ago, she is still a very sick kitty but 
her hematocrit rebounded to 15% which I know is still very low. All other 
numbers are improving slowly as well. That was after less than three weeks of 
treatment.
She is due for another CBC next Tuesday and I am hopeful we will see more 
improvement. I've noticed her gums are more pink which I believe is a good sign.
We were still having problems with getting her to eat. She would have her good 
days and her bad days but her weight was still creeping down. Last week I asked 
our vet about Mirtazapine and our vet agreed to give us a prescription for it. 
I have to thank Robert for mentioning this in one of his posts.

One day last week she didn't want to eat so I gave her a quarter pill (3.75 mg) 
which is the dose our vet prescribed to give her daily. The result was 
phenomenal and almost a little scary. She was bouncing off the walls within a 
few hours and eating everything she could get her paws on. I almost felt a 
little sorry for her because it was like she couldn't sit still for more than a 
couple of minutes. But it was like getting our old Curly back again in just a 
single day!
The effect tapered off after a couple of days and we didn't feel comfortable 
giving her another dose until she stopped eating again because of how dramatic 
the change was. I've read online that a smaller dose could be effective if 
given every 72 hours so we are going to try doing that so she keeps eating. It 
was

[Felvtalk] Re Finding money for Vet Tx...

2017-01-20 Thread Amani Oakley 
Robert

Can I make a suggestion which is something I would dearly love to do myself. 
Why not house sit for others going on holidays, who have animals? You could 
only accept jobs in the near vicinity, so you could pop back home and check on 
your babies as needed. You could also charge different amounts for just 
dropping in to check on an animal, getting the mail, taking in the newspaper, 
and watering the plants, versus staying at the house. I know that when I go 
away, the first and most important thing I have to arrange is care for my 
animals. We are lucky to have a cousin who is perpetually out of work (though 
quite young) so he is always available and good with our animals, and we pay 
him well.

Nowadays, with the internet as well, it is easier than ever to market your 
services. No more do you have to pin an ad on a supermarket community board, 
but you can do that too, along with a distribution of flyers in neighbourhoods 
near you. 

There is good money in doing this, and what happens is that when one person 
uses your services, he/she tells family and friends about you when they're 
going away. You also can accept and reject jobs - you aren’t stuck with a 
particular commitment - so there's far more flexibility.

You're obviously wonderful with animals, so you would be perfect for something 
like this. (It is my dream job - I could live vicariously through you.)

Amani

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Sent: January-20-17 4:15 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding money for Vet Tx...

Hello All:
I have a recollection of someone( or someone(s) in our forum mentioning trying 
a " Go fund me " campaign for their cat(s)  Was it at all successful??    I 
am going to need to find some money if I am going to keep my guys going as I 
really can't return to any kind of reasonable paying work as long as meds need 
to be give a few times a day ( I can get paid 3x more for a day of work if I go 
back to where I used to work which is 55 miles away but it makes me nervous 
being that far away if something happens that I can't get back)... I have no 
real prospects for anything near my home but am beginning to look  The 
commited folks on this forum are spending FAR more on their Kitties than I 
could dream of affording and it hurts me that what _ I _ thought would be 
adequate care falls so short of what others are doing..  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Finding money for Vet Tx...

2017-01-20 Thread dlgegg 
Do you have a reliable friend nearby who could do meds while you are at work?  
I know it sounds crazy, but when Shallie's kittens were only days old, my boss 
let me bring them and keep their basket under my desk so I could give them a 
bottle when they were hungry.  I was fortunate that he was also an animal 
lover.  (She had been run over by a car when they were only 4 days old)Or if 
you will be making a fair amount of $$, could you hire a pet sitter to care for 
them?  

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Hello All:
I have a recollection of someone( or someone(s) in our forum mentioning 
trying a " Go fund me " campaign for their cat(s)  Was it at all 
successful??    I am going to need to find some money if I am going to 
keep my guys going as I really can't return to any kind of reasonable 
paying work as long as meds need to be give a few times a day ( I can 
get paid 3x more for a day of work if I go back to where I used to work 
which is 55 miles away but it makes me nervous being that far away 
if something happens that I can't get back)... I have no real prospects 
for anything near my home but am beginning to look  The commited 
folks on this forum are spending FAR more on their Kitties than I could 
dream of affording and it hurts me that what _ I _ thought would be 
adequate care falls so short of what others are doing.. 
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly...
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> Randy...
> You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( 
> available in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are 
> quite useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine 
> powder if you spend a little extra time.? I have one devoted to 
> only pet meds and I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is 
> wasted ( eg... if I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll 
> grind...then add food and then, perhaps, a little water or broth 
> depending on which food I'm using... I'm sure you've discovered which 
> foods are best to assure Curly will eat them with meds added ( My Guy 
> will only take meds mixed in Baby food with some powdered Temptations 
> treats added other days he won't consider it... so generally I mix 
> the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two of Broth and administer with 
> Syringe this assures that he gets the full dose and obviates 
> worries about any sticking around in his esophagus... I very seldom 
> pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush and it's either that or 
> skip the dose? IF.. I pill him I always follow with a ML or two of 
> water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that there is no residual to 
> cause problems? BTW...? a HCT jump from 9 to 15 in only a couple 
> of weeks is WonderfulIf I were you I wouldn't change a thing 
> simply because? you don't really know which of the components is " 
> more " responsible for the results or if it's the synergy between all 
> three.? Once he's closer to Normal Levels you could play around a 
> little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing anything in the 
> protocol that you've been using...
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:42 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org 
> wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement

2017-01-20 Thread Katherine K. 
Mirtazapine has been an amazing help for my cat too! He has struggled on
and off through the years with not eating enough. We call it the cranky
pill because it makes him meow loudly and demandingly in our faces for more
food. :) Luckily he's had a pretty healthy appetite and we only have to use
it sparingly now. It is hilarious and a very helpful way to jumpstart a low
appetite.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Ardy Robertson 
wrote:

> Thanks for the update – I’m so VERY happy to hear about Curly’s
> improvements, not only for your kitty but for all the others, and their
> vets, who may begin to trust the Winstrol-Prednisolone-Doxycyclene punch
> for FeLV!!
>
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Randy Henke
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 19, 2017 8:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement
>
>
>
> It has been a little over a month ago that I asked for advice on this
> forum for our little girl, Curly.
>
> At that point, I had little hope. She was so lethargic and her hematocrit
> had dipped to a critical 9%. I took everyone's advice, especially Amani's,
> and asked our vet for Predisolone, Winstrol and Doxycycline.
>
> According to her latest CBC two weeks ago, she is still a very sick kitty
> but her hematocrit rebounded to 15% which I know is still very low. All
> other numbers are improving slowly as well. That was after less than three
> weeks of treatment.
>
> She is due for another CBC next Tuesday and I am hopeful we will see more
> improvement. I've noticed her gums are more pink which I believe is a good
> sign.
>
> We were still having problems with getting her to eat. She would have her
> good days and her bad days but her weight was still creeping down. Last
> week I asked our vet about Mirtazapine and our vet agreed to give us a
> prescription for it. I have to thank Robert for mentioning this in one of
> his posts.
>
> One day last week she didn't want to eat so I gave her a quarter pill
> (3.75 mg) which is the dose our vet prescribed to give her daily. The
> result was phenomenal and almost a little scary. She was bouncing off the
> walls within a few hours and eating everything she could get her paws on. I
> almost felt a little sorry for her because it was like she couldn't sit
> still for more than a couple of minutes. But it was like getting our old
> Curly back again in just a single day!
>
> The effect tapered off after a couple of days and we didn't feel
> comfortable giving her another dose until she stopped eating again because
> of how dramatic the change was. I've read online that a smaller dose could
> be effective if given every 72 hours so we are going to try doing that so
> she keeps eating. It was incredible to see her weight go up by a quarter
> pound in just a couple of days.
>
> We are continuing the Prednisolone and Winstrol at the recommended doses
> but our two week Doxycycline prescription ran out over a week ago. She does
> appear to still be making improvement without it but I'm wondering if I
> should ask for another prescription to keep that going as well.
>
> I always worry about giving her the quarter pill of Doxy because I know it
> can cause esophageal damage if it isn't followed by liquids. I was
> following the pill with the liquid Winstrol solution but wasn't sure if
> that was enough.
>
> Many thanks to everyone who gave us advice. It looks like we might have
> our Curly back for at least a while yet and it's all because of you people.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI injections ??

2017-01-20 Thread Katherine K. 
I used LTCI when my 11 yo was first diagnosed. I believe it helped bring
him back from a very low point (anemia, anorexia, etc). He stayed on it for
about a year, then once he was stable I felt it wasn't worth the
continued cost, so we stopped.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:43 PM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> Hi Patti
>
>
>
> See my response to Debbie, who just posted earlier today, with a similar
> question.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Patti B.
> *Sent:* January-19-17 4:49 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI injections ??
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a 7 month old kitten, Joe.had an eye enucleation in Sept.
> tested NEG-FELV.  But.due to lethargy and the eye removal site not looking
> right.I took him to my REGULAR vet.  He has now tested POSITIVE-FELV and is
> extremely anemic.  He is eating well and drinking.  Getting laser on eye
> surgical site, BUT I would love to to try the LTCI injections for him.  Has
> anyone here tried them ?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Patti
>
>
>
> "The fate of animals is of greater importance to me
> than the fear of appearing ridiculous;
> it is indissolubly connected with the fate of men."
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Finding money for Vet Tx...

2017-01-20 Thread Margo 

I've donated to a number of "GoFundMe" (and other similar) campaigns, and also 
donated directly with a paypal address. I dont know how either works really, 
but if you set one up, please post a link here.

Margo



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>From: ROBERT CHAPEL 
>Sent: Jan 20, 2017 4:14 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding money for Vet Tx...
>
>Hello All:
>I have a recollection of someone( or someone(s) in our forum mentioning 
>trying a " Go fund me " campaign for their cat(s)  Was it at all 
>successful??    I am going to need to find some money if I am going to 
>keep my guys going as I really can't return to any kind of reasonable 
>paying work as long as meds need to be give a few times a day ( I can 
>get paid 3x more for a day of work if I go back to where I used to work 
>which is 55 miles away but it makes me nervous being that far away 
>if something happens that I can't get back)... I have no real prospects 
>for anything near my home but am beginning to look  The commited 
>folks on this forum are spending FAR more on their Kitties than I could 
>dream of affording and it hurts me that what _ I _ thought would be 
>adequate care falls so short of what others are doing.. 
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>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Curly...
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>> Randy...
>> You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( 
>> available in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are 
>> quite useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine 
>> powder if you spend a little extra time.? I have one devoted to 
>> only pet meds and I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is 
>> wasted ( eg... if I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll 
>> grind...then add food and then, perhaps, a little water or broth 
>> depending on which food I'm using... I'm sure you've discovered which 
>> foods are best to assure Curly will eat them with meds added ( My Guy 
>> will only take meds mixed in Baby food with some powdered Temptations 
>> treats added other days he won't consider it... so generally I mix 
>> the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two of Broth and administer with 
>> Syringe this assures that he gets the full dose and obviates 
>> worries about any sticking around in his esophagus... I very seldom 
>> pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush and it's either that or 
>> skip the dose? IF.. I pill him I always follow with a ML or two of 
>> water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that there is no residual to 
>> cause problems? BTW...? a HCT jump from 9 to 15 in only a couple 
>> of weeks is WonderfulIf I were you I wouldn't change a thing 
>> simply because? you don't really know which of the components is " 
>> more " responsible for the results or if it's the synergy between all 
>> three.? Once he's closer to Normal Levels you could play around a 
>> little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing anything in the 
>> protocol that you've been using...
>>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Finding money for Vet Tx...

2017-01-20 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL 

Hello All:
I have a recollection of someone( or someone(s) in our forum mentioning 
trying a " Go fund me " campaign for their cat(s)  Was it at all 
successful??    I am going to need to find some money if I am going to 
keep my guys going as I really can't return to any kind of reasonable 
paying work as long as meds need to be give a few times a day ( I can 
get paid 3x more for a day of work if I go back to where I used to work 
which is 55 miles away but it makes me nervous being that far away 
if something happens that I can't get back)... I have no real prospects 
for anything near my home but am beginning to look  The commited 
folks on this forum are spending FAR more on their Kitties than I could 
dream of affording and it hurts me that what _ I _ thought would be 
adequate care falls so short of what others are doing.. 

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Randy...
You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( 
available in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are 
quite useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine 
powder if you spend a little extra time.? I have one devoted to 
only pet meds and I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is 
wasted ( eg... if I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll 
grind...then add food and then, perhaps, a little water or broth 
depending on which food I'm using... I'm sure you've discovered which 
foods are best to assure Curly will eat them with meds added ( My Guy 
will only take meds mixed in Baby food with some powdered Temptations 
treats added other days he won't consider it... so generally I mix 
the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two of Broth and administer with 
Syringe this assures that he gets the full dose and obviates 
worries about any sticking around in his esophagus... I very seldom 
pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush and it's either that or 
skip the dose? IF.. I pill him I always follow with a ML or two of 
water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that there is no residual to 
cause problems? BTW...? a HCT jump from 9 to 15 in only a couple 
of weeks is WonderfulIf I were you I wouldn't change a thing 
simply because? you don't really know which of the components is " 
more " responsible for the results or if it's the synergy between all 
three.? Once he's closer to Normal Levels you could play around a 
little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing anything in the 
protocol that you've been using...



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From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement

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Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet 
think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still 
very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve 
basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite 
amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had 
with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much 
better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells, 
rather than temporarily

Re: [Felvtalk] Curly...

2017-01-20 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL 

Randy...
You might want to invest in an inexpensive Mortar and Pestle ( available 
in any Kitchen store if you don't already have one) they are quite 
useful in grinding virtually any compressed pill into fine powder if you 
spend a little extra time.  I have one devoted to only pet meds and 
I do all my mixing in it as well so tha no powder is wasted ( eg... if 
I'm going to give Doxy/Winstrol in food I'll grind...then add food and 
then, perhaps, a little water or broth depending on which food I'm 
using... I'm sure you've discovered which foods are best to assure Curly 
will eat them with meds added ( My Guy will only take meds mixed in Baby 
food with some powdered Temptations treats added other days he won't 
consider it... so generally I mix the Winstrol and Doxy with a ML or two 
of Broth and administer with Syringe this assures that he gets the 
full dose and obviates worries about any sticking around in his 
esophagus... I very seldom pill him any more unless I am in a huge rush 
and it's either that or skip the dose  IF.. I pill him I always 
follow with a ML or two of water and a few Kitty treats in hopes that 
there is no residual to cause problems  BTW...  a HCT jump from 9 to 
15 in only a couple of weeks is WonderfulIf I were you I wouldn't 
change a thing simply because  you don't really know which of the 
components is " more " responsible for the results or if it's the 
synergy between all three.  Once he's closer to Normal Levels you 
could play around a little... but I'd , personally, wait on changing 
anything in the protocol that you've been using...



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Oh Randy, I am so THRILLED to hear of your positive response to the 
medications, and that your vet was so helpful. (What does your vet 
think of the response?) You may think that 15% haematocrit is still 
very sick, and it is still well outside the normal range, but you?ve 
basically had a 60% increase in haematocrit in 3 weeks. That is quite 
amazing and wonderful. It is as good a result as you would have had 
with 2 units of blood being given as a transfusion, only it is much 
better than a transfusion because Curly is producing her own cells, 
rather than temporarily filling up with someone else?s blood.


With respect to the Doxy, I am not sure. If it were me, I would 
probably want to continue if you can. You?ve had a very good result. 
Why mess with the formula? I can?t say definitively, one way or the 
other, since I very much figured things out by running weekly blood 
work and if I saw a dip or a reversal in the numbers, I would adjust 
the medication accordingly. I don?t know if I am right about my Doxy 
theory (and it is just pure conjecture on my part, based on my non-vet 
research) but I really think that the Doxy is part of the effective 
package. I feel that the Doxy holds the virus in check ? perhaps 
slowing down its reproduction by inhibiting RNA synthesis ? enough to 
allow the body to make some progress with the Winstrol. I don?t think 
that the Winstrol on its own is enough.


With the Doxy, I used to scrape the quarter tablet into a slab of 
butter to coat it with butter, to help it slide down better, since the 
quarter table it very dry and scratchy. I also posted recently that 
the Doxy we get from vets (and even from our doctors) is the same as 
what you can get to treat fish or birds, in a pet store, and that is 
sold in powdered packages of 100 mg (same as 1 tablet). A prescription 
isn?t needed for it, and because it is powdered, it can be mixed into 
food or liquid.


Great news, too, with your success in getting her to eat more and put 
on weight.


I love to hear good news on this front. Let?s hope she continues in 
the right direction.


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Randy Henke

Sent: January-19-17 9:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Curly's gradual improvement

It has been a little over a month ago

Re: [Felvtalk] Curly...

2017-01-20 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL 

Randy

I am SO happy to hear that Curly had a very positive response to 
Mirtazapine albeit FAR in excess of anything I saw with my 
Yogi.  Nothing makes us happier here than to hear positive stories 
about FeLV kitties responding positively to treatment.. I feel happy 
for the Cats and even more so for the caretakers who are so obviously 
committed to their pets  a welcome relief from the stories I hear 
daily about people who won't do even the simplest things to assure the 
welfare of their charges..
Actually... being short on cash...I often feel quite badly seeing the 
kind of money people are spending on their cats and feeling a measure of 
conflict when I consider how many people really CAN'T afford to take a 
FeLV cat home.  You can't purchase insurance for them which means a 
LOT of cash outlay for Vet bills if you happen to have a Kitty that 
starts to get sick early on  The more expensive vet care gets the 
fewer can afford pets if the are of modest means.  This is bad for 
the many thousands of pets awaiting homes in shelters and PARTICULARLY 
bad for the adoption odds of FeLV and and FIV cats.

Please keep us up to date on Curlys' progress!!!


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   1. Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator and FeLV
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   2. Re: LTCI injections ?? (Patti B.)
   3. Re: Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator and FeLV (Amani Oakley)
   4. Re: LTCI injections ?? (Amani Oakley)
   5. Curly's gradual improvement (Randy Henke)


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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:11:42 + (UTC)
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator and FeLV
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Hi, I have a 7 month old kitten that I am considering starting the 
T-Cell injections for him. He is presenting with possible IBD right 
now or GI Lymphoma. I am wondering if anyone has had cat/kitten with 
similar symptoms and has used the Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator 
injections? Also wondering if anyone has had a FeLV+ cat with 
confirmed (thru ultrasound) thickened intestinal walls and if you've 
done intestinal biopsy to determine IBD or GI Lymphoma. Thank you, 
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Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:48:35 + (UTC)
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Hi, I have a 7 month old kitten, Joe.had an eye enucleation in 
Sept. tested NEG-FELV. But.due to lethargy and the eye removal site 
not looking right.I took him to my REGULAR vet. He has now tested 
POSITIVE-FELV and is extremely anemic. He is eating well and drinking. 
Getting laser on eye surgical site, BUT I would love to to try the 
LTCI injections for him. Has anyone here tried them ?

Thanks, Patti
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appearing ridiculous; it is indissolubly connected with the fate of 
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Hi Debbie

I tried them for several months, and tested blood work weekly. I 
didn?t find the injections budged the low red 
cell/haematocrit/retic/platelet counts at all. However, I recall 
others in this group who have reported better results.


Are you new to the group? I don?t want to jump in with my experiences 
with Winstrol if you have heard it all before.


Amani

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator and FeLV

Hi,
I have a 7 month old kitten that I am considering starting the T-Cell 
injections for him.