Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

[Sheri Burbridge]

Marilyn, I'm so sorry you had to say goodbye to little Destiny, she sounds
like such a sweet soul. Thank you for loving her through to the end, she
was lucky to have you!

Sheri

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017, 7:33 AM Katherine K.  wrote:

> Marilyn, I'm so sorry about your loss of Destiny, but she will ALWAYS be
> with you in your heart. She sounds like a beautiful little soul! May you
> find comfort in the memories you shared together.
>
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Gloria  wrote:
>
>> Marilyn,
>> This pain you are experiencing is because she was so loved and left a
>> huge hole in your heart.
>>
>> She is forever in your memory-protected treasure beyond words, I am so
>> sorry and sad for you!
>> Gloria
>> -g 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:03 PM, Amani Oakley 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Marilyn
>> >
>> > I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was
>> to have you caring so much for her.
>> >
>> > Amani
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> > Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
>> >
>> > Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I
>> helped her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her
>> diagnosis.  The vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were
>> negative.  On this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and
>> had the vet was able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink
>> it, but it would come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye
>> was shut.  The best thing we could do was let her go while she was still
>> purring.
>> >
>> > From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any
>> knowledge or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine
>> and boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors.
>> Destiny enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory
>> infection turned out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to
>> have the support of this community and know there was somewhere we could go
>> for advice.
>> >
>> > Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
>> tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
>> her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
>> finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
>> .
>> >
>> > Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> >
>> >  Marilyn Knapp Litt  wrote:
>> >> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to
>> >> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was
>> >> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out
>> >> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping
>> her comfortable.
>> >> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it
>> >> is effective.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
>> >> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion
>> >> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We
>> >> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly
>> better the last 24 hours.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Preventing Stress

[Ardy Robertson]

Agree!!
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 12:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Preventing Stress

Prayer does a lot, I know.  I was supposed to die over 12 years ago from 4th 
stage cancer.


 Gloria  wrote: 
> I agree about Preventing Stress whenever we can!
> 
> I've chosen _not knowing_ for sure just because of that very thing - (stress 
> of vet visits & testing) especially with the testing results being of 
> question.
> 
> I deep massage from head to toe - he loves his belly & chest, under his 
> forelegs, toes - - all over to be massaged. 
> 
> I'm convinced massaging is great therapy and apply it to all the socialized 
> cat's we have.
> 
> My Buddy is kept in our guest room with plenty of interaction with the other 
> cats through plexiglas window in the door we made.  He gets at least two 
> hours of massages, play, hugs, etc. every night. 
> 
> I don't agree with vaccinations unless required by law.
> 
> I pray a lot! :)
> 
> (I have 15 cats I care for-all but 4 were feral-born and now "inside 
> only" cats.)
> 
> -g 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:54 AM, Corinne Shank  wrote:
> > 
> > Marilyn,
> > 
> > I am so sorry for your loss.  I know how difficult it must be.  
> > 
> > I am curious though about what type of Felv test you had done. There is the 
> > Elisa test which is usually done in house and the IFA test which is done 
> > via a blood test at a lab and is supposed to be more accurate.   I have 
> > read that there are false positives with the Elisa test.  My cat tested 
> > positive with Elisa but negative with the IFA test.  I know I should 
> > probably take her back and have her retested, (as it has been more than 6 
> > months) but she is doing well and she gets really stressed by trips to the 
> > vet.  
> > 
> >> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Sandy  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm so sorry Marilyn .   Destiny sounds like a sweet and 
> >> wonderful kitty cat.  You certainly are s great guardian for your furry 
> >> felines.  
> >> Sandy W
> >> 
> >> From: "Ardy Robertson" 
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:27:33 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >> 
> >> Oh Marilyn,
> >> Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty -- I'm happy 
> >> she didn't have to suffer more.
> >> 
> >> I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and 
> >> then had the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. 
> >> What more could a pet owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)
> >> 
> >> Ardy
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
> >> Behalf Of Amani Oakley
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >> 
> >> Marilyn
> >> 
> >> I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny 
> >> was to have you caring so much for her.
> >> 
> >> Amani
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
> >> Behalf Of Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >> Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >> 
> >> Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  
> >> I helped her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her 
> >> diagnosis.  The vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but 
> >> tests were negative.  On this visit it was clear she had 
> >> deteriorated in a week and had the vet was able to see the tumor. 
> >> The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would come roaring 
> >> back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best thing we 
> >> could do was let her go while she was still purring.
> >> 
> >> From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any 
> >> knowledge or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the 
> >> vaccine and boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never 
> >> went outdoors. Destiny enjoyed good health until very recently when 
> >> her respitory infection turned out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it 
> >> really helped us to have the support of this community and know there was 
> >> somewhere we could go for advice.
> >> 
> >> Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your 
> >> kitty tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss 
> >> once, but I saw her sit as close as she could to our cats who 
> >> hissed at her, until they finally were won over.  The world needs more 
> >> people like my special cat . .
> >> .
> >> 
> >> Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >> 
> >>  Marilyn Knapp Litt  wrote: 
> >> > Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > My 

Re: [Felvtalk] Doxycycline

[Ardy Robertson]

Amani - this is very interesting, at least the part that I understood :)

I agree that Big Pharma seems to just follow the money, it's not about helping 
our fellow man (or kitty) anymore, sadly.

And banning certain medicines because of their stigma, or potential use is just 
silly!!!
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 6:56 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Doxycycline

Ardy - there are a number of publications which deal with the mode of action of 
Doxycycline and its antiviral properties. It doesn’t kill the virus but 
inhibits its replication, sometimes by interfering with cell wall development 
and other times by preventing the virus from penetrating cells. Viruses usually 
replicate by invading a normal host cell, taking over its "machinery" and 
basically getting the host cell to make millions more viruses, which are then 
released into the circulation when the cell bursts. Doxycycline has been shown 
to sometimes inhibit the penetration of the virus into the cell.

So for example, Doxycycline has been found to be effective against Dengue 
fever. There are a number of publications exploring the effectiveness with 
Dengue fever. Here is an excerpt from a 2014 publication from the Archives of 
Virology (Inhibitory Effect of Doxycycline against Dengue Virus Replication in 
Vitro):

"Doxycycline is an antibiotic derived from tetracycline that possesses 
antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory activities. Antiviral activity of 
doxycycline against dengue virus has been reported previously; however, its 
anti-dengue properties need further investigation. This study was conducted to 
determine the potential activity of doxycycline against dengue virus 
replication in vitro. Doxycycline inhibited the dengue virus serine protease 
(DENV2 NS2B-NS3pro) with an IC50 value of 52.3 ± 6.2 μM at 37 °C (normal human 
temperature) and 26.7 ± 5.3 μM at 40 °C (high fever temperature). The antiviral 
activity of doxycycline was first tested at different concentrations against 
DENV2 using a plaque-formation assay. The virus titter decreased significantly 
after applying doxycycline at levels lower than its 50 % cytotoxic 
concentration (CC50, 100 μM), showing concentration-dependent inhibition with a 
50 % effective concentration (EC50) of approximately 50 μM. Doxycycline 
significantly inhibited viral entry and post-infection replication of the four 
dengue serotypes, with serotype-specific inhibition (high activity against 
DENV2 and DENV4 compared to DENV1 and DENV3). Collectively, these findings 
underline the need for further experimental and clinical studies on 
doxycycline, utilizing its anti-dengue and anti-inflammatory activities to 
attenuate the clinical symptoms of dengue virus infection."

Doxycycline has also been found to be effective against West Nile virus, 
reovirus, Japanese encephalitis virus (JEV), vesicular stomatitis virus (in 
vitro), mural virus (a mouse virus which causes leukemia in mice), and more. 
Doxycycline is also effective against more unusual organisms like protozoa (eg 
- malaria) and the unusual bacteria which cause Lyme Disease and Rocky Mountain 
Spotted Fever.

Unbelievably, Doxycycline has also been shown to suppress metastatic cancer or 
assist in bone metastatses. I suspect this last finding is not a strong one 
since I don’t know that Doxycycline is routinely used for this. However, I sure 
wish I had known this when my family member was suffering from cancer. Again, 
under the category of "it might not do a darn thing but it's unlikely to be 
worse than the situation you're facing", I would have given this a try. There 
are quite a few publications looking at the use of Doxy for cancer though, so I 
think there is probably something there.

I doubt that anyone is studying the effect on the Feline Leukemia virus because 
I see little research involving cat conditions generally, and even less focused 
on the Feline Leukemia virus. I obviously went looking for an explanation as to 
why Doxycycline and Winstrol might have been effective with Zander, because I 
too had the general understanding that antibiotics are not effective against 
viruses (and I have a Microbiology degree!). I suspect that most physicians and 
vets have also had this "rule of thumb" hammered into their heads. It is 
generally true of course, but it obviously works to create a blind spot for 
physicians and vets, when it comes to the "exceptions" to this general rule. 
Also, what I have also come to understand is that when there is a drug like 
Doxycycline (and Winstrol), which has been around for a long time and the drug 
companies no longer have a patent on it, they can't make money on it, so they 
stop doing any research related to it. They focus their research on their new 
drugs on which they hold patents, so they can push these, and make more money.

And don’t even get 

Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

[Ardy Robertson]

Marilyn,
Your thought about being glad you didn't know when you first got her is
EXACTLY the way I felt about my dear Tigger. He was near death when we found
him - we thought due to starvation, and he quickly bounced back after proper
care for a while. We also may not have kept him had we known he was FeLV
positive, and I would have missed out on 5-1/2 years of the best kitty
ever!!  I told myself I would never ever get that attached to a cat or any
animal ever again. But now I'm head over heels in love with our little
Topaz, who just happens to look and act just like Tigg, and she has also
tested negative for FeLV, so I'm hoping her test is accurate.  
Ardy



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marilyn Knapp Litt
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 10:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

I have no idea.  Was the test result wrong initially?  My current vet thinks
she was born with it or had it when we found her at 2 months.  I would
advise all cats be tested; people need to know if their cat needs extra
care, but I am glad we did not know.  Had we known, we would not have kept
this little kitten, who only had the use of three legs, and who was still
the fastest cat I have ever seen.  She literally glided around the house,
scooting on her "useless" front leg. It would have been too risky to expose
our other cats to a cat with the virus.  (I know thinking has changed on
this, but this was 7 years ago. Our other four cats are all neg.) We would
have missed out on all her sweetness. The poet had it right, "Better to have
loved and lost "

Sign me up for your "I hate FeLV" club, Ardy!

Marilyn

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Ardy Robertson
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 8:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Oh Marilyn,
Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty -- I'm happy she
didn't have to suffer more.

I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had
the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a pet
owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)

Ardy




-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Marilyn

I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to
have you caring so much for her. 

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marilyn Knapp Litt
Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny

Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped
her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The
vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On
this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was
able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would
come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The best
thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.

>From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge
or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and
boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny
enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned
out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of
this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.

Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
.

Marilyn Knapp Litt

 Marilyn Knapp Litt  wrote: 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> 
>  
> 
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping 
> her
comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it 
> is effective.
> 
>  
> 
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> 
>  
> 
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find 
> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion 
> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We 
> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly 
> better
the last 24 hours.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny

[Katherine K.]

Marilyn, I'm so sorry about your loss of Destiny, but she will ALWAYS be
with you in your heart. She sounds like a beautiful little soul! May you
find comfort in the memories you shared together.

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Gloria  wrote:

> Marilyn,
> This pain you are experiencing is because she was so loved and left a huge
> hole in your heart.
>
> She is forever in your memory-protected treasure beyond words, I am so
> sorry and sad for you!
> Gloria
> -g 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 23, 2017, at 11:03 PM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
> >
> > Marilyn
> >
> > I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was
> to have you caring so much for her.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Marilyn Knapp Litt
> > Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >
> > Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I
> helped her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her
> diagnosis.  The vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were
> negative.  On this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and
> had the vet was able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink
> it, but it would come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye
> was shut.  The best thing we could do was let her go while she was still
> purring.
> >
> > From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any
> knowledge or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine
> and boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors.
> Destiny enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory
> infection turned out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to
> have the support of this community and know there was somewhere we could go
> for advice.
> >
> > Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
> tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
> her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
> finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
> .
> >
> > Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >
> >  Marilyn Knapp Litt  wrote:
> >> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to
> >> find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was
> >> treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out
> >> the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping
> her comfortable.
> >> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it
> >> is effective.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
> >> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion
> >> about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We
> >> thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better
> the last 24 hours.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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