[Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment
*This was sent to me in email from a rescuer I know and work with. I have an FIV cat I rescued from a drainpipe who now lives with another friend of mine, John, and is very sick with stomatitis. Don't know if this will help anyone, but it's good to pass along since FIV+ and FeLV+ cats have problems with stomatitis: *Last year one of our vets found literature tying Stomatitis to Bartonella. In fact, on the results for Bartonella now there is a sentence saying that they have now found a connection between Bartonella and Stomatitis in cats. A lot of cats carry Bartonella (also tied into heart issues which a lot of people do not realize)! So I highly recommend checking for Bartonella before removing his/her teeth. The treatment is just a round of Azithromycin. Since discovering this connection we have had several cats with stomatitis test positive for Bartonella and all cleared after a round of Zithro. I found a few links and pasted below. Julia http://www.virginiaveterinarydentistry.com/647115.html An association has been established between Feline Stomatitis and a specific bacterial organism called Bartonella. In a large study 70% of cats with severe gingivitis/ stomatitis syndrome tested positive for this organism. Antibiotics in routine veterinary use have no effect on Bartonella organisms but there is an antibiotic called azithromycin that is effective. We are now recommending that all cats with symptoms of stomatitis or severe gingivitis should be tested and those that are strongly positive be treated. In the same large study, more than 70% responded favorably to treatment. Bartonella is unlikely to be a causative organism but one that contributes to the problem. Some cats do not test positive and some that are positive do not improve, but the link to Bartonella is promising and most cats that we have treated have improved substantially. * Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= * ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment
Thank you so much! FIV+ Sox is actually the first one I ever had to suffer from stomatitis. I will definitely have him checked for bartonella - it's great to have all these great thinking minds in one group! Natalie =^..^= From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kat Parker Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 4:07 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment This was sent to me in email from a rescuer I know and work with. I have an FIV cat I rescued from a drainpipe who now lives with another friend of mine, John, and is very sick with stomatitis. Don't know if this will help anyone, but it's good to pass along since FIV+ and FeLV+ cats have problems with stomatitis: Last year one of our vets found literature tying Stomatitis to Bartonella. In fact, on the results for Bartonella now there is a sentence saying that they have now found a connection between Bartonella and Stomatitis in cats. A lot of cats carry Bartonella (also tied into heart issues which a lot of people do not realize)! So I highly recommend checking for Bartonella before removing his/her teeth. The treatment is just a round of Azithromycin. Since discovering this connection we have had several cats with stomatitis test positive for Bartonella and all cleared after a round of Zithro. I found a few links and pasted below. Julia http://www.virginiaveterinarydentistry.com/647115.html An association has been established between Feline Stomatitis and a specific bacterial organism called Bartonella. In a large study 70% of cats with severe gingivitis/ stomatitis syndrome tested positive for this organism. Antibiotics in routine veterinary use have no effect on Bartonella organisms but there is an antibiotic called azithromycin that is effective. We are now recommending that all cats with symptoms of stomatitis or severe gingivitis should be tested and those that are strongly positive be treated. In the same large study, more than 70% responded favorably to treatment. Bartonella is unlikely to be a causative organism but one that contributes to the problem. Some cats do not test positive and some that are positive do not improve, but the link to Bartonella is promising and most cats that we have treated have improved substantially. Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge
I guess our shelter uses if for a lot of sick cats. The cat I happened to ask about had stomatits, it seems to be helping. Seems to be helping with other cats that have other issues, too. Just wondered if anyone had heard of it.used it. Didn't want to start another thread on stomatitis. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge Natalie and Beth, Did either of you try my holistic stomatitis protocol? It worked on both my cats, and the dental tech called it a miracle. Also, digestive enzymes and unspiced cooked pumpkin is what cured my long-term diarrhea kits. Hope this helps. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have never heard of it…it seems to be for intestinal problems. So stomatitis is suspected to start in the intestine…could make sense. What’s the dosage? Hey, I’m willing to try anything for our FIV+ cat with stomatitis – he gets an injection of steroids every 3 months and in-between, gets some holistic drops – it maintains him. I was going to order some Seacure for the cats that have chronic diarrhea and as a supplement for all of them. Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:31 PM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge Has anyone used Bio-Sponge? I know an older cat with bad Stomatitis who is on it seems so really be helping. It's supposed to help absorb toxins viruses. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge
I’m glad you started on stomatitis because I’ve gotten some excellent suggestions. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge I guess our shelter uses if for a lot of sick cats. The cat I happened to ask about had stomatits, it seems to be helping. Seems to be helping with other cats that have other issues, too. Just wondered if anyone had heard of it.used it. Didn't want to start another thread on stomatitis. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge Natalie and Beth, Did either of you try my holistic stomatitis protocol? It worked on both my cats, and the dental tech called it a miracle. Also, digestive enzymes and unspiced cooked pumpkin is what cured my long-term diarrhea kits. Hope this helps. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have never heard of it…it seems to be for intestinal problems. So stomatitis is suspected to start in the intestine…could make sense. What’s the dosage? Hey, I’m willing to try anything for our FIV+ cat with stomatitis – he gets an injection of steroids every 3 months and in-between, gets some holistic drops – it maintains him. I was going to order some Seacure for the cats that have chronic diarrhea and as a supplement for all of them. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:31 PM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge Has anyone used Bio-Sponge? I know an older cat with bad Stomatitis who is on it seems so really be helping. It's supposed to help absorb toxins viruses. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http:// Error! Filename not specified. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org attachment: ~WRD000.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatits
Yes, I saved, the info, too. Been awhile since I had a cat with stomatitis. I know I used L-lysine something else with great results. Can't remember what, though.Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!www.Furkids.org From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge I’m glad you started on stomatitis because I’ve gotten some excellent suggestions. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of BethSent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:06 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge I guess our shelter uses if for a lot of sick cats. The cat I happened to ask about had stomatits, it seems to be helping. Seems to be helping with other cats that have other issues, too.Just wondered if anyone had heard of it.used it. Didn't want to start another thread on stomatitis. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!www.Furkids.org From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.comTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:56 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge Natalie and Beth, Did either of you try my holistic stomatitis protocol? It worked on both my cats, and the dental tech called it a miracle. Also, digestive enzymes and unspiced cooked pumpkin is what cured my long-term diarrhea kits. Hope this helps. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:I have never heard of it…it seems to be for intestinal problems. So stomatitis is suspected to start in the intestine…could make sense. What’s the dosage? Hey, I’m willing to try anything for our FIV+ cat with stomatitis – he gets an injection of steroids every 3 months and in-between, gets some holistic drops – it maintains him.I was going to order some Seacure for the cats that have chronic diarrhea and as a supplement for all of them.NatalieFrom: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of BethSent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:31 PMTo: FeLV TalkSubject: [Felvtalk] Bio-SpongeHas anyone used Bio-Sponge? I know an older cat with bad Stomatitis who is on it seems so really be helping.It's supposed to help absorb toxins viruses.BethDon't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Error! Filename not specified.www.Furkids.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment
I have had a couple of cats who were suspected of having Bartonella but the vet gave them doxycycline. It seemed to have cleared up the Bartonella. I currently have one cat with stomatitis, not an FIV cat and another negative cat who seems to be getting stomatitis. Romeo, who has it, is on a steroid shot whenever I see that it's getting too serious. He also got the long acting antibiotic convenia. It really seemed to help him. I wish some researcher who cares about cats did serious studies of what is causing stomatitis. It is so painful for the cats and expensive to keep under control. From: Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 3:06 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment This was sent to me in email from a rescuer I know and work with. I have an FIV cat I rescued from a drainpipe who now lives with another friend of mine, John, and is very sick with stomatitis. Don't know if this will help anyone, but it's good to pass along since FIV+ and FeLV+ cats have problems with stomatitis: Last year one of our vets found literature tying Stomatitis to Bartonella. In fact, on the results for Bartonella now there is a sentence saying that they have now found a connection between Bartonella and Stomatitis in cats. A lot of cats carry Bartonella (also tied into heart issues which a lot of people do not realize)! So I highly recommend checking for Bartonella before removing his/her teeth. The treatment is just a round of Azithromycin. Since discovering this connection we have had several cats with stomatitis test positive for Bartonella and all cleared after a round of Zithro. I found a few links and pasted below. Julia http://www.virginiaveterinarydentistry.com/647115.html An association has been established between Feline Stomatitis and a specific bacterial organism called Bartonella. In a large study 70% of cats with severe gingivitis/ stomatitis syndrome tested positive for this organism. Antibiotics in routine veterinary use have no effect on Bartonella organisms but there is an antibiotic called azithromycin that is effective. We are now recommending that all cats with symptoms of stomatitis or severe gingivitis should be tested and those that are strongly positive be treated. In the same large study, more than 70% responded favorably to treatment. Bartonella is unlikely to be a causative organism but one that contributes to the problem. Some cats do not test positive and some that are positive do not improve, but the link to Bartonella is promising and most cats that we have treated have improved substantially. Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge
Agreed... And I've learned a lot(-: Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2012, at 10:18 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I’m glad you started on stomatitis because I’ve gotten some excellent suggestions. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge I guess our shelter uses if for a lot of sick cats. The cat I happened to ask about had stomatits, it seems to be helping. Seems to be helping with other cats that have other issues, too. Just wondered if anyone had heard of it.used it. Didn't want to start another thread on stomatitis. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!~WRD000.jpg www.Furkids.org From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge Natalie and Beth, Did either of you try my holistic stomatitis protocol? It worked on both my cats, and the dental tech called it a miracle. Also, digestive enzymes and unspiced cooked pumpkin is what cured my long-term diarrhea kits. Hope this helps. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have never heard of it…it seems to be for intestinal problems. So stomatitis is suspected to start in the intestine…could make sense. What’s the dosage? Hey, I’m willing to try anything for our FIV+ cat with stomatitis – he gets an injection of steroids every 3 months and in-between, gets some holistic drops – it maintains him. I was going to order some Seacure for the cats that have chronic diarrhea and as a supplement for all of them. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:31 PM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge Has anyone used Bio-Sponge? I know an older cat with bad Stomatitis who is on it seems so really be helping. It's supposed to help absorb toxins viruses. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Error! Filename not specified. www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment
The Chinese Medicine theory my holistic vet had was that if abx helped (which they seemed to with my cats, and apparently with others'), then that was cooling the fire coming from the stomach. So, that's why the Coptis Purge Fire helped, after initially getting the heat coming from the stomach down to a level that the herbs could handle. Note that with my cats, things did not clear completely until several months after the initial abx followed by being on the Coptis Purge Fire. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I have had a couple of cats who were suspected of having Bartonella but the vet gave them doxycycline. It seemed to have cleared up the Bartonella. I currently have one cat with stomatitis, not an FIV cat and another negative cat who seems to be getting stomatitis. Romeo, who has it, is on a steroid shot whenever I see that it's getting too serious. He also got the long acting antibiotic convenia. It really seemed to help him. I wish some researcher who cares about cats did serious studies of what is causing stomatitis. It is so painful for the cats and expensive to keep under control. -- *From:* Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com *To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2012 3:06 AM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment *This was sent to me in email from a rescuer I know and work with. I have an FIV cat I rescued from a drainpipe who now lives with another friend of mine, John, and is very sick with stomatitis. Don't know if this will help anyone, but it's good to pass along since FIV+ and FeLV+ cats have problems with stomatitis: *Last year one of our vets found literature tying Stomatitis to Bartonella. In fact, on the results for Bartonella now there is a sentence saying that they have now found a connection between Bartonella and Stomatitis in cats. A lot of cats carry Bartonella (also tied into heart issues which a lot of people do not realize)! So I highly recommend checking for Bartonella before removing his/her teeth. The treatment is just a round of Azithromycin. Since discovering this connection we have had several cats with stomatitis test positive for Bartonella and all cleared after a round of Zithro. I found a few links and pasted below. Julia http://www.virginiaveterinarydentistry.com/647115.html An association has been established between Feline Stomatitis and a specific bacterial organism called Bartonella. In a large study 70% of cats with severe gingivitis/ stomatitis syndrome tested positive for this organism. Antibiotics in routine veterinary use have no effect on Bartonella organisms but there is an antibiotic called azithromycin that is effective. We are now recommending that all cats with symptoms of stomatitis or severe gingivitis should be tested and those that are strongly positive be treated. In the same large study, more than 70% responded favorably to treatment. Bartonella is unlikely to be a causative organism but one that contributes to the problem. Some cats do not test positive and some that are positive do not improve, but the link to Bartonella is promising and most cats that we have treated have improved substantially. * Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= * ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
