Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
I have been vegetarian a few years, but I often buy and cook chichen for the cats. I boil it, then shred it, and almost always have a bowl of it in my fridge and/or freezer for them. My friends think I am whacko because of that. I don't ever eat it, but I know cats have different needs, and they need meat. I , naturally have the option, being omnivorous, but they don't have the same choice in their diet, as you all well know. About once a month, I am a chicken cooking fool, on a fairly large scale. (I always apologize to the birds. haha) I've also heard that cats cannot taste sweet, Kathryn... I am baffled by this. I know that they love the taste of Karo syrup, and even concentrated SUGAR WATER is often used on the gums of kits to stimulate a little appetite, especially the wee ones who need to take a bottle. Also, though I have never tasted it, I heard anti-freeze is sweet, and that is why so many cats are poisoned by it. This sounds like such a contradiction to me, and I wonder, if it's not the sweet they taste in the syrup, what is it? And in sugar water, there is only sugar...and water. What else could it be? Kat -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:55:28 -0800 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition I've been vegan for almost 20 years (vegetarian for some some before that), so it's always funny when people see me buying so much meat for the cats. -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:38:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Some of my cats adore veggies. Cats can't taste sweet, did you know? No receptors for it. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: They might just like veggies, plus corn is sweet. My cats are obsessed with lettuce. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ -- *From:* Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 6:46 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it. Sheesh! Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and chicken. So they eat my corn and tofu. Weird world. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! -- *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who died). Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk. I've already said what I think about dry food. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My Homey has had several bouts of crystals. She liked the Hill's SD canned food, but not the dry. I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients. I now feed Blue buffalo dry DUCK. We love that and also the duck canned food. We hate chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part of the problem. I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much luck. Right now, Homey is okay. I got water fountains and everyone loves them. It recirculates the water thre a filter. The plastic ones are okay, but need to be cleaned out more often. I got one on line that is stainless steel. Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors without hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often. With the fountains, the water is always moving, makes noise and they do drink more water. You might try them. Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she contracted a UTI. She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder. I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D. I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet. My
Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet
The Wall Street Journal said that vets make 40%. Then u have manufacturing cost, marketing costs, etc. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good! Well, it's the exact opposite. The only one I ever use is A-D when I have to syringe the food - and I add vitamins minerals to it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 5:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet On 08-31, Marcia wrote: I think what really bothers me about Science Diet is that it is a low quality food sold for a very high price AND the general public doesn't know any of this!! Science Diet is really crappy food, and it's wrong of vets to push it. Not many people read labels or understand what low quality food it is, and they buy it because their vets sell it. I'm sure vets get a kick back from the company. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
Good question! Kay, my mother had Collies and pressure cooked whole chickens for them. We'd come home do School and smell that, thinking, yum!! Chicken and dumplings!!! Uh-uh! Nope! Chicken for the dogs! Lol, I ended up just like my Mom(-: except of course, now I don't eat the meat. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: I have been vegetarian a few years, but I often buy and cook chichen for the cats. I boil it, then shred it, and almost always have a bowl of it in my fridge and/or freezer for them. My friends think I am whacko because of that. I don't ever eat it, but I know cats have different needs, and they need meat. I , naturally have the option, being omnivorous, but they don't have the same choice in their diet, as you all well know. About once a month, I am a chicken cooking fool, on a fairly large scale. (I always apologize to the birds. haha) I've also heard that cats cannot taste sweet, Kathryn... I am baffled by this. I know that they love the taste of Karo syrup, and even concentrated SUGAR WATER is often used on the gums of kits to stimulate a little appetite, especially the wee ones who need to take a bottle. Also, though I have never tasted it, I heard anti-freeze is sweet, and that is why so many cats are poisoned by it. This sounds like such a contradiction to me, and I wonder, if it's not the sweet they taste in the syrup, what is it? And in sugar water, there is only sugar...and water. What else could it be? Kat -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 02:55:28 -0800 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition I've been vegan for almost 20 years (vegetarian for some some before that), so it's always funny when people see me buying so much meat for the cats. -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:38:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Some of my cats adore veggies. Cats can't taste sweet, did you know? No receptors for it. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: They might just like veggies, plus corn is sweet. My cats are obsessed with lettuce. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition There's so much corn in cat food that when I opened a can of corn for myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it. Sheesh! Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and chicken. So they eat my corn and tofu. Weird world. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who died). Yes, fish dries the system (ours, too), and is a mercury risk. I've already said what I think about dry food. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:50 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My Homey has had several bouts of crystals. She liked the Hill's SD canned food, but not the dry. I had taken my guys off Hills because they ahve corn, wheat and soy and they are allergic to those ingredients. I now feed Blue buffalo dry DUCK. We love that and also the duck canned food. We hate chicken and fish which is okay because the vet said fish can be part of the problem. I have tried to get them off the dry, but not too much luck. Right now, Homey is okay. I got water fountains and everyone loves them. It recirculates the water thre a filter. The plastic ones are okay, but need to be cleaned out more often. I got one on line that is stainless steel. Much better, lower profile so I can open cabinet doors without hitting it and it does not need to be cleaned as often. With the fountains, the water is always moving, makes noise and they do drink more water. You might try them. Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently
