Re: [Felvtalk] My Little Ruthie

[Maya D'Alessio]

I am so so sorry Christine. This virus is a scourge, and it has robbed you
of a beautiful soul. I just lost Merlot three days ago, so I understand
your pain, and can say that it will lessen with time.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Christine Dundas <
christinedun...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Crossed over the bridge this morning.  She was the sweetest cat.  She had
> a short life, 16 months.  But it was a good life and she knew she was
> loved.  I hate this awful virus.
>
> Christine
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Little Ruthie

[Christine Dundas]

Thanks Maya
I remember about Merlot.  I wrote a condolence note, but I think it didn't
get posted for some reason.   Sending you good thoughts and prayers too.
This is a great group.

Christine
On Nov 19, 2015 1:01 PM, "Maya D'Alessio"  wrote:

> I am so so sorry Christine. This virus is a scourge, and it has robbed
> you of a beautiful soul. I just lost Merlot three days ago, so I understand
> your pain, and can say that it will lessen with time.
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Christine Dundas <
> christinedun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Crossed over the bridge this morning.  She was the sweetest cat.  She had
>> a short life, 16 months.  But it was a good life and she knew she was
>> loved.  I hate this awful virus.
>>
>> Christine
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Re: [Felvtalk] Saving them all - was:Merlot

[Margo]

I like that plan. It would be a win/win, and couldn't be that tough to set up.But as you know, it doesn't take a fortune to make a difference. And opening a rescue is more than most people can actually handle, money or not. I know several people who have started "rescues" and not one of  them had won the lottery. They started with a "Foster based rescue", and worked from that. As their knowledge and experience grew, so could their efforts and scope.So, if someone really wants to save them all, they can start with one. Or two. Or foster a litter of puppies or kittens. It's addicting. But it's also very hard. I've "retired" from cat rescue, but still have "my" misfit crowd, and somehow more appear. My friend who started 40 years ago with pregnant dogs and puppies now takes unwanted and dumped senior dogs. She never ran on anything other than donations, but has saved uncounted dogs.So for those who really want to start a rescue, the answer is simple. Just do it.:)Margo-Original Message-
From: kat 
Sent: Nov 19, 2015 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Saving them all - was:Merlot


I would also love to rescue them all - that is how I ended up with a house full of "misfits".  I was helping my local shelter with rescue & foster - the 'adoptables' were socialized & brought back to the shelter for adoption - the ones that had "problems" I have kept...

 

What I would really love to see happen is for every single veterinary school to open a *free* neuter/spay clinic, regardless of income!  The schools are already set up to accept donations, bequeaths, etc, so not only would it give the student vets practice it would be addressing the problem of overpopulation at the roots.


 

Kat (Mew Jersey)


WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO HELP ALL THE HELPLESS AND NEEDY. IF I WIN THE SWEEPS OR PUBLISHER'S CLEARING HOUSE SWEEPS, I WOULD BUY A LOT OF LAND AND TAKE THEM ALL IN.

 Lorrie  wrote:
> I'm so sad for you Maya, the hurt of losing Merlot must be terrible.
> I'm now age 82 and I've been rescuing cats for 50 years. I've lost so
> many to old age or Felv, and it's heart breaking. The only comfort we
> have is knowing we loved those precious cats and made their lives,
> however short they might be, as wonderful as we could. So many cats
> never know love, the warmth of a home and food. I only wish I could
> save them all.
>
> Lorrie with 14 rescued cats at home and 32 in my shelter.
>
>
>
> On 11-17, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
>
> > I have lost 14 due to FELV and old age. Be it FELV or old age, it
> > hurts the same, but you must know that you did all you could and
> > Merlot knew that.
> >
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Little Ruthie

[Margo]

I'm so sorry, Christine, Safe to the Bridge, Ruthie.Christine, her life was too short. But in those months I'm betting that she knew more love and joy than most cats see in 12-18 years.You did well.Margo-Original Message-
From: Christine Dundas 
Sent: Nov 19, 2015 11:56 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] My Little Ruthie

Crossed over the bridge this morning.  She was the sweetest cat.  She had a short life, 16 months.  But it was a good life and she knew she was loved.  I hate this awful virus.
Christine 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Jetty,

You can use the prednisolone with the Winstrol. They are different kinds of 
steroids and work well together. A very senior, well-respected vet I know very 
well, once told me that the prednisolone helps protect the liver, while on the 
Winstrol. I used both, along with Doxycycline on Zander, at the early stages of 
his recovery from his FeLV crisis.

Amani


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jetty 
Dijkshoorn
Sent: November-19-15 6:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your furry friends. Luckily my 
suspected FELV sweetheart Dolce is doing really well at this moment. He went 
from very lethargic with pale gums and nose to a lively guy with the help of 1 
tablet of prednisolon every other day. I am very much interested in starting 
with Winstrol to help his RBC go further up but not sure whether I have to stop 
using the prednisolon or use both of them together.We live in the Netherlands 
and I already found out that I can buy the 2 mg tablets in an online shop for a 
reasonable price.
I want to thank all the members of this forum for all your stories and advises. 
There is not much knowledge here about FELV and it is very common to put cats 
to sleep after very uncertain snaptest diagnosyses. So glad that thanks to your 
encouraging advises he is still a very happy cat. Although I am a bit concerned 
about a lump he developed under his left eye. It does not seem to bother him 
but I hope it does not grow any further.

Jetty an Dolce



2015-11-19 2:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Gannon 
>:
Do I just keep him on this indefinetely?  Do I have to keep having his blood 
tested, how often?  How long did this help your cat?  Do you still have this 
cat?
- Original Message -
From: Amani Oakley
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

Hi Jane

Speak with your vet. He probably uses a compounding pharmacy for other types of 
medication. This is where my vet gets Winstrol. Our vet can get the Winstrol in 
2 strengths: 2 mg and 1 mg tablets. They are hard to cut in half, but for a 
long time, that is what I had to do since originally the compounding pharmacy 
only had the 2 mg size tablets. The tablets are very small and powdery when 
split, and dissolve very quickly with very little moisture. Therefore, it made 
life a lot easier when the compounding pharmacy started providing 1 mg sized 
tablets. If you can only get 2 mg tablets, you also have the option of just 
giving them once a day, but I think it is better to give 1 mg, 2 times a day.

I have no idea where you are located or how big the compounding pharmacy is 
that my vet uses, but it is called Chiron. (I’m in Ontario, Canada, and I think 
this compounding pharmacy is located close to Guelph Ontario, near the vet 
college there).

Definitely start your cat on the Winstrol as soon as possible. I have also 
found Winstrol helpful in a cat I highly suspected of having FIP. She is fine 
now.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Jane Gannon
Sent: November-17-15 11:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

I have had the worst nightmare happen to me.  I have a large cat family, I used 
to work at a cat rescue organization and I also help any cats that show up at 
my door.  Last year one of my two outdoor cats started to loose weight.  He was 
12 so I thought maybe kidney or  hyperthyroid.  He started having anisocoria 
(one pupil lager than the other) and then I noticed  3 other cats with the same 
thing. I researched online and found that it can happen to FELV+ cats.  So I 
took them all to the vet and found out they were positive.  I then took the 
rest of my cat family and found out I had a total of 10 positives and  12 
negatives.  I vacinated the negatives and am letting them all live together.  
Since that time I have lost 5. Two older ones actually died from kidney 
disease, I had to euthanise my son's 2 two year olds cats, one developed FIP 
and the other ended up getting neurological problems until he could no longer 
walk.  I euthanised one that was having difficulty breathing and was no longer 
eating.  So I searched for a group that was going through the same thing so 
maybe I could learn about what can be done.  Grayson, who is positive, is now 
loosing weight.  He is 12 so I hoped maybe kidney or hyperthyroid so I had his 
blood tested and he does not have either.  He is starting to have the sylmptoms 
of FELV.  His hematocrit is 19 and he also has an abcess on his face that 
doesn't want to heal.  He is acting like his old self and eating well.  I know 
my vet would not have a 

[Felvtalk] Here we go again!

[Lorrie]

I get this *&^% about every three weeks.  Really maddening.
Is anyone else getting them?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Jetty Dijkshoorn]

Thanks so much Amani. Will buy a package immediately. What would you say
about the doses. Dolce weighs about 2,75 kg

2015-11-20 0:15 GMT+01:00 Amani Oakley :

> Jetty,
>
>
>
> You can use the prednisolone with the Winstrol. They are different kinds
> of steroids and work well together. A very senior, well-respected vet I
> know very well, once told me that the prednisolone helps protect the liver,
> while on the Winstrol. I used both, along with Doxycycline on Zander, at
> the early stages of his recovery from his FeLV crisis.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jetty Dijkshoorn
> *Sent:* November-19-15 6:11 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your furry friends. Luckily my
> suspected FELV sweetheart Dolce is doing really well at this moment. He
> went from very lethargic with pale gums and nose to a lively guy with the
> help of 1 tablet of prednisolon every other day. I am very much interested
> in starting with Winstrol to help his RBC go further up but not sure
> whether I have to stop using the prednisolon or use both of them
> together.We live in the Netherlands and I already found out that I can buy
> the 2 mg tablets in an online shop for a reasonable price.
>
> I want to thank all the members of this forum for all your stories and
> advises. There is not much knowledge here about FELV and it is very common
> to put cats to sleep after very uncertain snaptest diagnosyses. So glad
> that thanks to your encouraging advises he is still a very happy cat.
> Although I am a bit concerned about a lump he developed under his left eye.
> It does not seem to bother him but I hope it does not grow any further.
>
>
>
> Jetty an Dolce
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2015-11-19 2:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Gannon :
>
> Do I just keep him on this indefinetely?  Do I have to keep having his
> blood tested, how often?  How long did this help your cat?  Do you still
> have this cat?
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Amani Oakley 
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:38 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> Hi Jane
>
>
>
> Speak with your vet. He probably uses a compounding pharmacy for other
> types of medication. This is where my vet gets Winstrol. Our vet can get
> the Winstrol in 2 strengths: 2 mg and 1 mg tablets. They are hard to cut in
> half, but for a long time, that is what I had to do since originally the
> compounding pharmacy only had the 2 mg size tablets. The tablets are very
> small and powdery when split, and dissolve very quickly with very little
> moisture. Therefore, it made life a lot easier when the compounding
> pharmacy started providing 1 mg sized tablets. If you can only get 2 mg
> tablets, you also have the option of just giving them once a day, but I
> think it is better to give 1 mg, 2 times a day.
>
>
>
> I have no idea where you are located or how big the compounding pharmacy
> is that my vet uses, but it is called Chiron. (I’m in Ontario, Canada, and
> I think this compounding pharmacy is located close to Guelph Ontario, near
> the vet college there).
>
>
>
> Definitely start your cat on the Winstrol as soon as possible. I have also
> found Winstrol helpful in a cat I highly suspected of having FIP. She is
> fine now.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jane Gannon
> *Sent:* November-17-15 11:54 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> I have had the worst nightmare happen to me.  I have a large cat family, I
> used to work at a cat rescue organization and I also help any cats that
> show up at my door.  Last year one of my two outdoor cats started to loose
> weight.  He was 12 so I thought maybe kidney or  hyperthyroid.  He started
> having anisocoria (one pupil lager than the other) and then I noticed  3
> other cats with the same thing. I researched online and found that it can
> happen to FELV+ cats.  So I took them all to the vet and found out they
> were positive.  I then took the rest of my cat family and found out I had a
> total of 10 positives and  12 negatives.  I vacinated the negatives and am
> letting them all live together.  Since that time I have lost 5. Two older
> ones actually died from kidney disease, I had to euthanise my son's 2 two
> year olds cats, one developed FIP and the other ended up getting
> neurological problems until he could no longer walk.  I euthanised one that
> was having difficulty breathing and was no longer eating.  So I searched
> for a group that was going through the same thing so maybe I could learn
> about what can be done.  Grayson, who is positive, is now loosing weight.
> He is 12 so I hoped maybe kidney or hyperthyroid so I had his blood tested
> 

Re: [Felvtalk] My Little Ruthie

[Christine Dundas]

Thank you Margo.  Your kind words help.  It is comforting to know there are
people that get it.  Not all folks get it.  Maybe someday there won't be a
need for an FeLV group.  But for now,  it's been a great help.

Christine
On Nov 19, 2015 4:59 PM, "Margo"  wrote:

>
> I'm so sorry, Christine,
>
>  Safe to the Bridge, Ruthie.
>
> Christine, her life was too short. But in those months I'm betting that
> she knew more love and joy than most cats see in 12-18 years.
>
> You did well.
>
> Margo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christine Dundas
> Sent: Nov 19, 2015 11:56 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] My Little Ruthie
>
> Crossed over the bridge this morning.  She was the sweetest cat.  She had
> a short life, 16 months.  But it was a good life and she knew she was
> loved.  I hate this awful virus.
>
> Christine
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[Jetty Dijkshoorn]

I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your furry friends. Luckily my
suspected FELV sweetheart Dolce is doing really well at this moment. He
went from very lethargic with pale gums and nose to a lively guy with the
help of 1 tablet of prednisolon every other day. I am very much interested
in starting with Winstrol to help his RBC go further up but not sure
whether I have to stop using the prednisolon or use both of them
together.We live in the Netherlands and I already found out that I can buy
the 2 mg tablets in an online shop for a reasonable price.
I want to thank all the members of this forum for all your stories and
advises. There is not much knowledge here about FELV and it is very common
to put cats to sleep after very uncertain snaptest diagnosyses. So glad
that thanks to your encouraging advises he is still a very happy cat.
Although I am a bit concerned about a lump he developed under his left eye.
It does not seem to bother him but I hope it does not grow any further.

Jetty an Dolce



2015-11-19 2:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Gannon :

> Do I just keep him on this indefinetely?  Do I have to keep having his
> blood tested, how often?  How long did this help your cat?  Do you still
> have this cat?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Amani Oakley 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:38 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
> Hi Jane
>
>
>
> Speak with your vet. He probably uses a compounding pharmacy for other
> types of medication. This is where my vet gets Winstrol. Our vet can get
> the Winstrol in 2 strengths: 2 mg and 1 mg tablets. They are hard to cut in
> half, but for a long time, that is what I had to do since originally the
> compounding pharmacy only had the 2 mg size tablets. The tablets are very
> small and powdery when split, and dissolve very quickly with very little
> moisture. Therefore, it made life a lot easier when the compounding
> pharmacy started providing 1 mg sized tablets. If you can only get 2 mg
> tablets, you also have the option of just giving them once a day, but I
> think it is better to give 1 mg, 2 times a day.
>
>
>
> I have no idea where you are located or how big the compounding pharmacy
> is that my vet uses, but it is called Chiron. (I’m in Ontario, Canada, and
> I think this compounding pharmacy is located close to Guelph Ontario, near
> the vet college there).
>
>
>
> Definitely start your cat on the Winstrol as soon as possible. I have also
> found Winstrol helpful in a cat I highly suspected of having FIP. She is
> fine now.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jane Gannon
> *Sent:* November-17-15 11:54 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> I have had the worst nightmare happen to me.  I have a large cat family, I
> used to work at a cat rescue organization and I also help any cats that
> show up at my door.  Last year one of my two outdoor cats started to loose
> weight.  He was 12 so I thought maybe kidney or  hyperthyroid.  He started
> having anisocoria (one pupil lager than the other) and then I noticed  3
> other cats with the same thing. I researched online and found that it can
> happen to FELV+ cats.  So I took them all to the vet and found out they
> were positive.  I then took the rest of my cat family and found out I had a
> total of 10 positives and  12 negatives.  I vacinated the negatives and am
> letting them all live together.  Since that time I have lost 5. Two older
> ones actually died from kidney disease, I had to euthanise my son's 2 two
> year olds cats, one developed FIP and the other ended up getting
> neurological problems until he could no longer walk.  I euthanised one that
> was having difficulty breathing and was no longer eating.  So I searched
> for a group that was going through the same thing so maybe I could learn
> about what can be done.  Grayson, who is positive, is now loosing weight.
> He is 12 so I hoped maybe kidney or hyperthyroid so I had his blood tested
> and he does not have either.  He is starting to have the sylmptoms of
> FELV.  His hematocrit is 19 and he also has an abcess on his face that
> doesn't want to heal.  He is acting like his old self and eating well.
> I know my vet would not have a problem using winstrol, he has always worked
> with me.   Where would he get it from?  Should I start it now before he
> gets worse.
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* kat 
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2015 5:22 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> Maya - I am so sorry for your loss.
>
>
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 7:59 AM
> *From:* "Maya D'Alessio" 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
> Merlot left us yesterday 

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

The dose is the same for all cats. 1 mg 2 times a day is usually fine, unless 
it is an emergency and you need to get the Winstrol acting much faster, in 
which case you can increase the dose to 2 mg 2 times a day. Obviously, try to 
dose about 12 hours apart.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jetty 
Dijkshoorn
Sent: November-19-15 6:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Thanks so much Amani. Will buy a package immediately. What would you say about 
the doses. Dolce weighs about 2,75 kg

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Re: [Felvtalk] My Little Ruthie

[dlgegg]

eVERY TIME I HEAR OF A CROSSING, I GIVE MY GUYS A BIG HUG AND REMIND MYSELF OF 
HOW LUCKY I AM THAT THEY ARE STILL WITH ME.

 Christine Dundas  wrote: 
> Crossed over the bridge this morning.  She was the sweetest cat.  She had a
> short life, 16 months.  But it was a good life and she knew she was loved.
> I hate this awful virus.
> 
> Christine


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hello Amani,

I am just curious if now, after seeing that Winstrol worked for Zander, does 
your particular vet office use Winstrol on other FeLV+ cats? If not, I wonder 
why not?

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson

Osseo, WI

(Tigger’s mom)

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 7:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

 

Hi Jane

 

Our little Zander had his crisis when he was about 12 to 18 months old. He was 
close to death and under an oxygen mask to help him breath because his red 
cells and haematocrit were so critically low, he couldn’t move oxygen around 
his body via his blood circulation. We first tried giving him blood 
transfusions which helped with the immediate crisis, but didn’t “hold”. Two 
units of blood only bumped his haematocrit up from 5 to 16, which was still 
about half of the normal range. Over the subsequent weeks, as we tested his 
blood, it was clear that his red cells and haematocrit continued to drop, 
because red cells only have a life span of 120 days and then they die. His 
retic count was basically zero, showing he wasn’t producing any of his own red 
cells. 

 

We gave him a second blood transfusion when his haematocrit dropped back down 
to 10 from 16. They had to stop after a single unit of blood, because Zander 
had a reaction to the blood transfusion. They don’t cross-match as thoroughly 
as they do with people, and we were told that this meant that any more blood 
transfusions would probably kill him as he had developed a reaction.

 

So with his haematocrit once again dropping from 16 down to 10, I knew it was 
just a matter of time before it would drop down to dangerously low levels again 
and nothing we had tried (Immunoregulin, interferon, LTCI) had worked. I 
therefore did a hail Mary and rummaged through my drawers and found some 
Winstrol meant for another cat years before, who had not survived long enough 
for me to use it. Within 2-3 days (SERIOUSLY!), my husband and I noticed a 
slight blush in Zander’s gums (where they had been ivory white before) and when 
we took him in that week for testing, his haematocrit had gone up to 12. Though 
we were very skeptical that it could possibly be the Winstrol, (so, so simple, 
we thought it couldn’t be that the vets didn’t give us this), we kept him on it 
and lo and behold, all his cell lines began a slow and steady climb back into 
the normal ranges. It took 6-8 months to get him into the normal range and I 
kept him on the Winstrol the whole time, but cut the dose from the original 2 
mg 2 times a day to 1 mg 2 times a day. Whenever I would try to discontinue the 
Winstrol, there would be an immediate dip in his weekly blood work, so there is 
no question in my mind that the Winstrol was keeping his red cells in the 
normal range.

 

After about 10 months, I did wean him off to give his body a break, and he was 
doing phenomenally well. His appetite had immediately increased, right at the 
outset of the Winstrol usage, and his activity level also increased. The 
technician at the vet’s office who took his weekly bloodwork, told me that 
after about 3 months, she could feel the difference as he was feeling very 
solid and strong to her.

 

Zander lived to about the age of 7. He died from a heart condition that appears 
to have been caused by the initial FeLV infection, since I have since heard 
others on this chatlines describe the same type of heart problem that Zander 
ended up with. (No question I queried if it might have been the Winstrol but as 
much as I can reassure myself, I believe that it wasn’t, both from my research 
and from the fact that other people whose cats have FeLV also describe unusual 
heart problems later in their lives.) In any event, even if I had any doubt 
about the Winstrol, I also had no choice. There is no question at all that 
Zander was going to die before he even turned two. The vet specialist who saw 
Zander, told me that there was zero hope, since I couldn’t keep giving him 
blood transfusions. When I called him a year later to report on Zander’s 
condition, he was absolutely stunned that Zander was still alive.

 

I don’t think you need to do much blood testing with the Winstrol, but you may 
want to, to convince yourself (or more likely, your vet) that it is working. If 
my vet hadn’t tracked the blood results with me, I doubt she would have 
believed that the Winstrol could do this. The only think I caution about, and 
have indicated it many times on this chatline already, is that Winstrol can 
shoot up your cat’s liver enzymes. This freaks out the vets who insist on 
discontinuing the Winstrol. In Zander’s case, I obviously had to ignore this. 
He was going to die without this medication, so being worried about his liver 
was secondary to me, until he recovered. What I learned is that the enzyme 
increase is transitory in nature and leaves no lasting effect on 

Re: [Felvtalk] Saving them all - was:Merlot

[Ardy Robertson]

Wonderful idea!!!

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kat
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:04 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Saving them all - was:Merlot

 

I would also love to rescue them all - that is how I ended up with a house full 
of "misfits".  I was helping my local shelter with rescue & foster - the 
'adoptables' were socialized & brought back to the shelter for adoption - the 
ones that had "problems" I have kept...

 

What I would really love to see happen is for every single veterinary school to 
open a *free* neuter/spay clinic, regardless of income!  The schools are 
already set up to accept donations, bequeaths, etc, so not only would it give 
the student vets practice it would be addressing the problem of overpopulation 
at the roots.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO HELP ALL THE HELPLESS AND NEEDY. IF I WIN THE SWEEPS OR 
PUBLISHER'S CLEARING HOUSE SWEEPS, I WOULD BUY A LOT OF LAND AND TAKE THEM ALL 
IN.

 Lorrie  > 
wrote:
> I'm so sad for you Maya, the hurt of losing Merlot must be terrible.
> I'm now age 82 and I've been rescuing cats for 50 years. I've lost so
> many to old age or Felv, and it's heart breaking. The only comfort we
> have is knowing we loved those precious cats and made their lives,
> however short they might be, as wonderful as we could. So many cats
> never know love, the warmth of a home and food. I only wish I could
> save them all.
>
> Lorrie with 14 rescued cats at home and 32 in my shelter.
>
>
>
> On 11-17, dlg...@windstream.net   wrote:
>
> > I have lost 14 due to FELV and old age. Be it FELV or old age, it
> > hurts the same, but you must know that you did all you could and
> > Merlot knew that.
> >
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 21

[Rain Tyler]

Christine, 
I am so sorry to hear about your Ruthie.  Why does it seem that the sweetest 
cats get this awful virus?  I know her life was short but I am glad it was love 
filled. 
Rain 

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>   4. Re: My Little Ruthie (Margo)
>   5. Re: My Little Ruthie (Christine Dundas)
>   6. Re: Lymph nodes (Jetty Dijkshoorn)
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> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:01:14 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My Little Ruthie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[Ardy Robertson]

I am so very sorry…….

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 6:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

 

Merlot left us yesterday morning. Thank you to everyone for your support over 
the month, it has been incredible. 

On Nov 17, 2015 12:48 AM,  
> wrote:

They sense our love and concern.  I often bring a sick furbaby on my bed and 
stay awake all night because I am afraid they will get worse and I will not 
know in time to do something for them.  People think I am nuts, but I cannot 
not be concerned.

 Ardy Robertson  > wrote:
> I think when you really love your cat, you are inclined to observe every
> little thing and try to understand how they are feeling based on their
> actions/behavior. That gives you the insight into knowing what works and
> what does not. They may have the book training, but nothing replaces loving
> and observing.. and of course the love is returned. Our Tigger, when he
> was at his sickest and we thought he would not make it through the night,
> dragged himself into our bedroom during the night and could not get up on
> the bed by any means, but laid on the floor on my hubby's side where he felt
> safer being near his "mommy and daddy". (call me Cookoo)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>  ] On Behalf Of
> Lorrie
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 9:02 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
> You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable about
> cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.
>
> Lorrie
>
>
> On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net   wrote:
>
> > Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us.
> > Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Ardy

I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me using 
Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the outset, I was 
the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always a special order. 
But after a while, I started noticing that the Winstrol sitting on the counter 
was not for me but for other clients, so I must assume that she is prescribing 
it for other clients.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: November-20-15 12:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Hello Amani,
I am just curious if now, after seeing that Winstrol worked for Zander, does 
your particular vet office use Winstrol on other FeLV+ cats? If not, I wonder 
why not?
Thank you,
Ardy Robertson
Osseo, WI
(Tigger’s mom)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Saving them all - was:Merlot

[kat]

I would also love to rescue them all - that is how I ended up with a house full of "misfits".  I was helping my local shelter with rescue & foster - the 'adoptables' were socialized & brought back to the shelter for adoption - the ones that had "problems" I have kept...

 

What I would really love to see happen is for every single veterinary school to open a *free* neuter/spay clinic, regardless of income!  The schools are already set up to accept donations, bequeaths, etc, so not only would it give the student vets practice it would be addressing the problem of overpopulation at the roots.


 

Kat (Mew Jersey)


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 Lorrie  wrote:
> I'm so sad for you Maya, the hurt of losing Merlot must be terrible.
> I'm now age 82 and I've been rescuing cats for 50 years. I've lost so
> many to old age or Felv, and it's heart breaking. The only comfort we
> have is knowing we loved those precious cats and made their lives,
> however short they might be, as wonderful as we could. So many cats
> never know love, the warmth of a home and food. I only wish I could
> save them all.
>
> Lorrie with 14 rescued cats at home and 32 in my shelter.
>
>
>
> On 11-17, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
>
> > I have lost 14 due to FELV and old age. Be it FELV or old age, it
> > hurts the same, but you must know that you did all you could and
> > Merlot knew that.
> >
>
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[Felvtalk] My Little Ruthie

[Christine Dundas]

Crossed over the bridge this morning.  She was the sweetest cat.  She had a
short life, 16 months.  But it was a good life and she knew she was loved.
I hate this awful virus.

Christine
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 18

[Amani Oakley]

ly stunned that Zander was 
> still alive.
> 
> I don?t think you need to do much blood testing with the Winstrol, but 
> you may want to, to convince yourself (or more likely, your vet) that 
> it is working. If my vet hadn?t tracked the blood results with me, I 
> doubt she would have believed that the Winstrol could do this. The 
> only think I caution about, and have indicated it many times on this 
> chatline already, is that Winstrol can shoot up your cat?s liver 
> enzymes. This freaks out the vets who insist on discontinuing the 
> Winstrol. In Zander?s case, I obviously had to ignore this. He was 
> going to die without this medication, so being worried about his liver 
> was secondary to me, until he recovered. What I learned is that the 
> enzyme increase is transitory in nature and leaves no lasting effect 
> on the liver. Zander had no liver problems although he was on it for 
> at least 70% of the his life. I have also used it in other situations 
> where there is ?no hope?, (nasal sarcoma in a 16 year old cat; FIP in 
> a 6 month old kitten; spina
 l 
> damage in a kitten; torn knee ligament in Zander ? who was supposed to need 
> surgery, but ended up not), and the Winstrol has either helped a lot or at 
> the very least, increased appetite, weight, etc.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Jane Gannon
> Sent: November-18-15 8:17 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
> 
> Do I just keep him on this indefinetely?  Do I have to keep having his blood 
> tested, how often?  How long did this help your cat?  Do you still have this 
> cat?
> - Original Message -
> From: Amani Oakley<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
> 
> Hi Jane
> 
> Speak with your vet. He probably uses a compounding pharmacy for other types 
> of medication. This is where my vet gets Winstrol. Our vet can get the 
> Winstrol in 2 strengths: 2 mg and 1 mg tablets. They are hard to cut in half, 
> but for a long time, that is what I had to do since originally the 
> compounding pharmacy only had the 2 mg size tablets. The tablets are very 
> small and powdery when split, and dissolve very quickly with very little 
> moisture. Therefore, it made life a lot easier when the compounding pharmacy 
> started providing 1 mg sized tablets. If you can only get 2 mg tablets, you 
> also have the option of just giving them once a day, but I think it is better 
> to give 1 mg, 2 times a day.
> 
> I have no idea where you are located or how big the compounding pharmacy is 
> that my vet uses, but it is called Chiron. (I?m in Ontario, Canada, and I 
> think this compounding pharmacy is located close to Guelph Ontario, near the 
> vet college there).
> 
> Definitely start your cat on the Winstrol as soon as possible. I have also 
> found Winstrol helpful in a cat I highly suspected of having FIP. She is fine 
> now.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Jane Gannon
> Sent: November-17-15 11:54 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
> 
> I have had the worst nightmare happen to me.  I have a large cat 
> family, I used to work at a cat rescue organization and I also help 
> any cats that show up at my door.  Last year one of my two outdoor 
> cats started to loose weight.  He was 12 so I thought maybe kidney or  
> hyperthyroid.  He started having anisocoria (one pupil lager than the 
> other) and then I noticed  3 other cats with the same thing. I 
> researched online and found that it can happen to FELV+ cats.  So I 
> took them all to the vet and found out they were positive.  I then 
> took the rest of my cat family and found out I had a total of 10 
> positives and  12 negatives.  I vacinated the negatives and am letting 
> them all live together.  Since that time I have lost 5. Two older ones 
> actually died from kidney disease, I had to euthanise my son's 2 two 
> year olds cats, one developed FIP and the other ended up getting 
> neurological problems until he could no longer walk.  I euthanised one 
> that was having difficulty breathing
 an
> d was no longer eating.  So I searched for a group that was going through the 
> same thing so maybe I could learn about what can be done.  Grayson, who is 
> positive, is now loosing weight.  He is 12 so I hoped maybe kidney or 
> hyperthyroid so I had his blood tested and he does not have either.  He is 
> star

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 18

[Rain Tyler]

 until he recovered. What I learned is 
> that the enzyme increase is transitory in nature and leaves no lasting effect 
> on the liver. Zander had no liver problems although he was on it for at least 
> 70% of the his life. I have also used it in other situations where there is 
> ?no hope?, (nasal sarcoma in a 16 year old cat; FIP in a 6 month old kitten; 
> spinal 
> damage in a kitten; torn knee ligament in Zander ? who was supposed to need 
> surgery, but ended up not), and the Winstrol has either helped a lot or at 
> the very least, increased appetite, weight, etc.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane 
> Gannon
> Sent: November-18-15 8:17 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
> 
> Do I just keep him on this indefinetely?  Do I have to keep having his blood 
> tested, how often?  How long did this help your cat?  Do you still have this 
> cat?
> - Original Message -
> From: Amani Oakley<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
> 
> Hi Jane
> 
> Speak with your vet. He probably uses a compounding pharmacy for other types 
> of medication. This is where my vet gets Winstrol. Our vet can get the 
> Winstrol in 2 strengths: 2 mg and 1 mg tablets. They are hard to cut in half, 
> but for a long time, that is what I had to do since originally the 
> compounding pharmacy only had the 2 mg size tablets. The tablets are very 
> small and powdery when split, and dissolve very quickly with very little 
> moisture. Therefore, it made life a lot easier when the compounding pharmacy 
> started providing 1 mg sized tablets. If you can only get 2 mg tablets, you 
> also have the option of just giving them once a day, but I think it is better 
> to give 1 mg, 2 times a day.
> 
> I have no idea where you are located or how big the compounding pharmacy is 
> that my vet uses, but it is called Chiron. (I?m in Ontario, Canada, and I 
> think this compounding pharmacy is located close to Guelph Ontario, near the 
> vet college there).
> 
> Definitely start your cat on the Winstrol as soon as possible. I have also 
> found Winstrol helpful in a cat I highly suspected of having FIP. She is fine 
> now.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane 
> Gannon
> Sent: November-17-15 11:54 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
> 
> I have had the worst nightmare happen to me.  I have a large cat family, I 
> used to work at a cat rescue organization and I also help any cats that show 
> up at my door.  Last year one of my two outdoor cats started to loose weight. 
>  He was 12 so I thought maybe kidney or  hyperthyroid.  He started having 
> anisocoria (one pupil lager than the other) and then I noticed  3 other cats 
> with the same thing. I researched online and found that it can happen to 
> FELV+ cats.  So I took them all to the vet and found out they were positive.  
> I then took the rest of my cat family and found out I had a total of 10 
> positives and  12 negatives.  I vacinated the negatives and am letting them 
> all live together.  Since that time I have lost 5. Two older ones actually 
> died from kidney disease, I had to euthanise my son's 2 two year olds cats, 
> one developed FIP and the other ended up getting neurological problems until 
> he could no longer walk.  I euthanised one that was having difficulty 
> breathing an
> d was no longer eating.  So I searched for a group that was going through the 
> same thing so maybe I could learn about what can be done.  Grayson, who is 
> positive, is now loosing weight.  He is 12 so I hoped maybe kidney or 
> hyperthyroid so I had his blood tested and he does not have either.  He is 
> starting to have the sylmptoms of FELV.  His hematocrit is 19 and he also has 
> an abcess on his face that doesn't want to heal.  He is acting like his old 
> self and eating well.  I know my vet would not have a problem using winstrol, 
> he has always worked with me.   Where would he get it from?  Should I start 
> it now before he gets worse.
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