Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 10
Terri I hope the best for your kitty cat Sandy W - Original Message - From: "Terri Knight"To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 5:39:27 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 10 Thanks everyone for the awesome response and advice. We will be back at the vet on Friday for the next round of blood tests and I will discuss all options and your advice with the vet. I really am extremely grateful. Terri On 11 Jan 2017 23:46, "ROBERT CHAPEL" < bcha...@optonline.net > wrote: Nancy In keeping with Amani's response...would be VERY interested to know if the cats ( with which you have had success) were ( are) FeLV+ per IFA or FeLV at all. Owners of FeLV Kitties can get desperate to find ANYTHING that might help their cats and can spend their way into oblivion with useless elixers that will leave them cash poor for the ( sometimes) more expensive drugs that stand a better chance of success Personally I can't imagine how Omega 3's are going to have any appreciable effect on depressed RBC's. Aracept... as pointed out could be effective if the anemia is regenerativepossibly harmful if not ( cats can respond with antibodies to Epo and the like with antibodies that further depress their blood count If you have positive experience with the above would love to hear about it even better if you have any reference papers to point us to regarding the successful use of Omega 3's in FeLV Kitties we would ALL, I am sure, be very interested as they are widely available and certainly reasonably priced ( generally) thanks... On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Omega 3s ( gidge...@aol.com ) 2. Re: Omega 3s (Amani Oakley) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:31:17 -0500 From: gidge...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Omega 3s Message-ID: < 1598e957a12-237d-5...@webprd-a66.mail.aol.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement. Moxxor is 100% pure. Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and kiwifruitseed oil. No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, or excipients of any kind. My two FeLV cats are on Moxxor and knock on wood have been doing well. They also take the Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno. All natural. For Moxxor, please please come join my FB page at https://www.facebook.com/moxxorforabetterlife/ to learn more about this. I swear by it for both me and for my two girls. Nancy -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:43:12 + From: Amani Oakley To: " felvtalk@felineleukemia.org " Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Omega 3s Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Nancy Were your cats in anemic crisis when you put them on the supplements, or were they positive for FeLV but not in crisis? I am interested to know if your supplements turned around severe non-regenerative anemia. I am sure I am not telling you anything new when I indicate that the problem is that if a cat is severely anemic and not producing his/her own red cells (low or insufficient reticulocytes) then there is very little time to address the crisis. Moreover, as I have posted before epogen, and other erythropoietin-type mimics, act on the red cell precursors in the bone marrow, signalling to them to produce more red cells. If the precursor cells are damaged or killed by the virus, which they often are, and that is why all three cell lines (red cells, white cells and platelets) are often affected, then no amount of erythropoietin, ?yelling? at a dead precursor cell, will get it to re-start red cell production. The only thing I have found that has a chance to do that is the Winstrol, co upled with the Doxycycline. The Winstrol promotes the development of bone marrow and has been found to be effective for conditions such as osteoporosis. It promotes the growth and increased density of bone. Were you able to restart bone marrow red cell production with the supplements you are referencing? I would be very interested to hear if that is the case since we
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 10
Thanks everyone for the awesome response and advice. We will be back at the vet on Friday for the next round of blood tests and I will discuss all options and your advice with the vet. I really am extremely grateful. Terri On 11 Jan 2017 23:46, "ROBERT CHAPEL"wrote: > Nancy > > In keeping with Amani's response...would be VERY interested to know if the > cats ( with which you have had success) were ( are) FeLV+ per IFA or > FeLV at all. > Owners of FeLV Kitties can get desperate to find ANYTHING that might help > their cats and can spend their way into oblivion with useless elixers that > will leave them cash poor for the ( sometimes) more expensive drugs that > stand a better chance of success Personally I can't imagine how Omega > 3's are going to have any appreciable effect on depressed RBC's. > Aracept... as pointed out could be effective if the anemia is > regenerativepossibly harmful if not ( cats can respond with antibodies > to Epo and the like with antibodies that further depress their blood > count > If you have positive experience with the above would love to hear about > it even better if you have any reference papers to point us to > regarding the successful use of Omega 3's in FeLV Kitties we would ALL, I > am sure, be very interested as they are widely available and certainly > reasonably priced ( generally) > thanks... > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felinel >> eukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Omega 3s (gidge...@aol.com) >>2. Re: Omega 3s (Amani Oakley) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:31:17 -0500 >> From: gidge...@aol.com >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Omega 3s >> Message-ID: <1598e957a12-237d-5...@webprd-a66.mail.aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot >> express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement. >> Moxxor is 100% pure. Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and kiwifruitseed >> oil. No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, or excipients of >> any kind. My two FeLV cats are on Moxxor and knock on wood have been doing >> well. They also take the Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno. All >> natural. For Moxxor, please please come join my FB page at >> https://www.facebook.com/moxxorforabetterlife/to learn more about >> this. I swear by it for both me and for my two girls. >> >> Nancy >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> -- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:43:12 + >> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: >> [Felvtalk] Omega 3s >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Nancy >> >> Were your cats in anemic crisis when you put them on the supplements, or >> were they positive for FeLV but not in crisis? I am interested to know if >> your supplements turned around severe non-regenerative anemia. I am sure I >> am not telling you anything new when I indicate that the problem is that if >> a cat is severely anemic and not producing his/her own red cells (low or >> insufficient reticulocytes) then there is very little time to address the >> crisis. Moreover, as I have posted before epogen, and other >> erythropoietin-type mimics, act on the red cell precursors in the bone >> marrow, signalling to them to produce more red cells. If the precursor >> cells are damaged or killed by the virus, which they often are, and that is >> why all three cell lines (red cells, white cells and platelets) are often >> affected, then no amount of erythropoietin, ?yelling? at a dead precursor >> cell, will get it to re-start red cell production. The only thing I have >> found that has a chance to do that is the Winstrol, co >> upled with the Doxycycline. The Winstrol promotes the development of >> bone marrow and has been found to be effective for conditions such as >> osteoporosis. It promotes the growth and increased density of bone. >> >> Were you able to restart bone marrow red cell production with the >> supplements you are referencing? I would be very interested to hear if that >> is the case since we certainly need as many weapons in our
Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope
when i had cncer, they gave me epogen. i had a reaction to it and they stopped. gidge...@aol.com wrote: > Terri, I saw this post and am praying for your little Michael! Can they > start him on Aranesp (darbepoetin) or Epogen, or even Winstrol (which I think > has been mentioned here before?). I know with Aranesp, you give the shot 1 > time a week and when it is within normal range, begin to space out the > injections to find the right dose to hold it in that normal range. Epogen > is given 3 times a week and when in normal range, one dosage is skipped and > they search for that perfect dosage. > > > Could you get a copy of that most recent blood work as I can read blood work > and am wondering if anything else is off. IF so, once it is treated, things > may go back into place with other levels. This is what happened to my baby > Kit. I immediately put her on Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno. Also > she was put on antibiotics for fever and infection. I really would like to > see the blood work. If you want, you can send to me privately at > gidge...@aol.com > > > Nancy > > > > -Original Message- > From: Terri> To: felvtalk > Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 6:52 pm > Subject: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope > > > > Hi everyone. > > My little boy Michael is 3 and was diagnosed just over a week ago. I noticed > he had lost weight and wasn’t quite himself but nothing major, or so I > thought. I got him as a stray kitten, had him tested – he was negative for > felv, and vaccinated him every year. > > On Fri 30 Dec I took him to the vet, she did blood tests to check what could > be wrong with him and told me that when he came up positive she didn’t do any > further tests. She said he was anemic and prescribed cortisone every day and > vitamin B shots every week for 4 weeks. I asked what his lifespan would be > and she told me not very long and that there was nothing else we could do > except a blood transfusion at some stage. > > After coming home from a new years eve party I found him limping and he would > not stop moaning, I gave him an anti inflammatory that he had been given for > a previous leg injury hoping it would help until morning when a vet opened. > It helped his leg but he started moaning again 2 hours later. I finally found > a vet that could help on new years day. I told the vet about his history and > what had happened earlier that morning, by this time his leg was fine so the > vet gave him a strong pain killer thinking he was moaning in pain and told me > to bring him back later if it didn’t help. I took him back where a different > vet saw him, he did blood tests and the results were terrible, he also felt > that he had some sort of neurological issue so he had to be admitted to > hospital. His platelet and red blood cell count was extremely low and he was > not responding to treatment, I made the decision for him to have a blood > transfusion which he received on 3 Jan Tuesday evening. I fetched him on > Wednesday and had him tested again on the Friday, his results were still > better but there was no sign of his body regenerating. On the weekend he just > seemed to improve so much, is appetite was back and he had interest in > playing like his old self again, but Monday’s results did not reflect his > behavior. His body was not regenerating and his counts had dropped slightly. > > My next step is blood tests and decisions on Friday. I am devastated and > don’t know if there is anything else that we can do. If anyone can give any > advice or suggestions I would really appreciate it. At the moment he is on > Baytril and a nutritional tonic. > > Kind regards, > Terri Knight > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Omega 3s
sounds like that is why Nancy got on the list. I give my 2 older cats krill oil for their joints but asked my vet about dosage first. Margowrote: > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 33, Issue 10
Nancy In keeping with Amani's response...would be VERY interested to know if the cats ( with which you have had success) were ( are) FeLV+ per IFA or FeLV at all. Owners of FeLV Kitties can get desperate to find ANYTHING that might help their cats and can spend their way into oblivion with useless elixers that will leave them cash poor for the ( sometimes) more expensive drugs that stand a better chance of success Personally I can't imagine how Omega 3's are going to have any appreciable effect on depressed RBC's. Aracept... as pointed out could be effective if the anemia is regenerativepossibly harmful if not ( cats can respond with antibodies to Epo and the like with antibodies that further depress their blood count If you have positive experience with the above would love to hear about it even better if you have any reference papers to point us to regarding the successful use of Omega 3's in FeLV Kitties we would ALL, I am sure, be very interested as they are widely available and certainly reasonably priced ( generally) thanks... On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Omega 3s (gidge...@aol.com) 2. Re: Omega 3s (Amani Oakley) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:31:17 -0500 From: gidge...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Omega 3s Message-ID: <1598e957a12-237d-5...@webprd-a66.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement. Moxxor is 100% pure. Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and kiwifruitseed oil. No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, or excipients of any kind. My two FeLV cats are on Moxxor and knock on wood have been doing well. They also take the Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno. All natural. For Moxxor, please please come join my FB page at https://www.facebook.com/moxxorforabetterlife/to learn more about this. I swear by it for both me and for my two girls. Nancy -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 17:43:12 + From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Omega 3s Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Nancy Were your cats in anemic crisis when you put them on the supplements, or were they positive for FeLV but not in crisis? I am interested to know if your supplements turned around severe non-regenerative anemia. I am sure I am not telling you anything new when I indicate that the problem is that if a cat is severely anemic and not producing his/her own red cells (low or insufficient reticulocytes) then there is very little time to address the crisis. Moreover, as I have posted before epogen, and other erythropoietin-type mimics, act on the red cell precursors in the bone marrow, signalling to them to produce more red cells. If the precursor cells are damaged or killed by the virus, which they often are, and that is why all three cell lines (red cells, white cells and platelets) are often affected, then no amount of erythropoietin, ?yelling? at a dead precursor cell, will get it to re-start red cell production. The only thing I have found that has a chance to do that is the Winstrol, co upled with the Doxycycline. The Winstrol promotes the development of bone marrow and has been found to be effective for conditions such as osteoporosis. It promotes the growth and increased density of bone. Were you able to restart bone marrow red cell production with the supplements you are referencing? I would be very interested to hear if that is the case since we certainly need as many weapons in our arsenal as possible. Thanks, Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gidge...@aol.com Sent: January-11-17 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Omega 3s I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement. Moxxor is 100% pure. Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and kiwifruitseed oil. No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, or excipients of
Re: [Felvtalk] Omega 3s
I doubt it will be disallowed, but I do resent sales pitches on a list like this.-Original Message- From: gidge...@aol.com Sent: Jan 11, 2017 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Omega 3s I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement. Moxxor is 100% pure. Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and kiwifruitseed oil. No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, or excipients of any kind. My two FeLV cats are on Moxxor and knock on wood have been doing well. They also take the Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno. All natural. For Moxxor, please please come join my FB page at https://www.facebook.com/moxxorforabetterlife/ to learn more about this. I swear by it for both me and for my two girls. Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Omega 3s
Hi Nancy Were your cats in anemic crisis when you put them on the supplements, or were they positive for FeLV but not in crisis? I am interested to know if your supplements turned around severe non-regenerative anemia. I am sure I am not telling you anything new when I indicate that the problem is that if a cat is severely anemic and not producing his/her own red cells (low or insufficient reticulocytes) then there is very little time to address the crisis. Moreover, as I have posted before epogen, and other erythropoietin-type mimics, act on the red cell precursors in the bone marrow, signalling to them to produce more red cells. If the precursor cells are damaged or killed by the virus, which they often are, and that is why all three cell lines (red cells, white cells and platelets) are often affected, then no amount of erythropoietin, “yelling” at a dead precursor cell, will get it to re-start red cell production. The only thing I have found that has a chance to do that is the Winstrol, coupled with the Doxycycline. The Winstrol promotes the development of bone marrow and has been found to be effective for conditions such as osteoporosis. It promotes the growth and increased density of bone. Were you able to restart bone marrow red cell production with the supplements you are referencing? I would be very interested to hear if that is the case since we certainly need as many weapons in our arsenal as possible. Thanks, Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gidge...@aol.com Sent: January-11-17 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Omega 3s I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement. Moxxor is 100% pure. Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and kiwifruitseed oil. No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, or excipients of any kind. My two FeLV cats are on Moxxor and knock on wood have been doing well. They also take the Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno. All natural. For Moxxor, please please come join my FB page at https://www.facebook.com/moxxorforabetterlife/to learn more about this. I swear by it for both me and for my two girls. Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Omega 3s
I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot express how important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement. Moxxor is 100% pure. Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and kiwifruitseed oil. No preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, or excipients of any kind. My two FeLV cats are on Moxxor and knock on wood have been doing well. They also take the Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno. All natural. For Moxxor, please please come join my FB page at https://www.facebook.com/moxxorforabetterlife/to learn more about this. I swear by it for both me and for my two girls. Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope
Terri, I saw this post and am praying for your little Michael! Can they start him on Aranesp (darbepoetin) or Epogen, or even Winstrol (which I think has been mentioned here before?). I know with Aranesp, you give the shot 1 time a week and when it is within normal range, begin to space out the injections to find the right dose to hold it in that normal range. Epogen is given 3 times a week and when in normal range, one dosage is skipped and they search for that perfect dosage. Could you get a copy of that most recent blood work as I can read blood work and am wondering if anything else is off. IF so, once it is treated, things may go back into place with other levels. This is what happened to my baby Kit. I immediately put her on Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno. Also she was put on antibiotics for fever and infection. I really would like to see the blood work. If you want, you can send to me privately at gidge...@aol.com Nancy -Original Message- From: TerriTo: felvtalk Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 6:52 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope Hi everyone. My little boy Michael is 3 and was diagnosed just over a week ago. I noticed he had lost weight and wasn’t quite himself but nothing major, or so I thought. I got him as a stray kitten, had him tested – he was negative for felv, and vaccinated him every year. On Fri 30 Dec I took him to the vet, she did blood tests to check what could be wrong with him and told me that when he came up positive she didn’t do any further tests. She said he was anemic and prescribed cortisone every day and vitamin B shots every week for 4 weeks. I asked what his lifespan would be and she told me not very long and that there was nothing else we could do except a blood transfusion at some stage. After coming home from a new years eve party I found him limping and he would not stop moaning, I gave him an anti inflammatory that he had been given for a previous leg injury hoping it would help until morning when a vet opened. It helped his leg but he started moaning again 2 hours later. I finally found a vet that could help on new years day. I told the vet about his history and what had happened earlier that morning, by this time his leg was fine so the vet gave him a strong pain killer thinking he was moaning in pain and told me to bring him back later if it didn’t help. I took him back where a different vet saw him, he did blood tests and the results were terrible, he also felt that he had some sort of neurological issue so he had to be admitted to hospital. His platelet and red blood cell count was extremely low and he was not responding to treatment, I made the decision for him to have a blood transfusion which he received on 3 Jan Tuesday evening. I fetched him on Wednesday and had him tested again on the Friday, his results were still better but there was no sign of his body regenerating. On the weekend he just seemed to improve so much, is appetite was back and he had interest in playing like his old self again, but Monday’s results did not reflect his behavior. His body was not regenerating and his counts had dropped slightly. My next step is blood tests and decisions on Friday. I am devastated and don’t know if there is anything else that we can do. If anyone can give any advice or suggestions I would really appreciate it. At the moment he is on Baytril and a nutritional tonic. Kind regards, Terri Knight Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org