Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

[Margo]

For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right at 
the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the end. 
Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The injectible was 
much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal.

But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that works 
for Gilbert


Margo


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>From: Amani Oakley 
>Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
>
>Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to 
>the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy 
>they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it 
>orally when the mouth hurts.
>
>Amani
>
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>ROBERT CHAPEL
>Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
>
>Thanks Sheri...
>
>The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( 
>which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience 
>with  _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with 
>Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...   I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it 
>appeared to help a bit...   may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted 
>to ask the group if they've used other things...  Particularly since Gilberts 
>mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or 
>something that could be added to his food   The only reliable way to 
>medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...   so I guess 
>he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of 
>more comfort...
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

[Margo]

Buprenex/buprenorphine. It is what I have used in many cats, it's very 
effective, dose is easily adjusted for each cat, and it's simple to give. I get 
it from Diamndbackdrugs;

http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/medication-search/?wpv_column_sort_id=post_date_column_sort_dir=desc_paged_preload_reach=1_view_count=1_post_id=2060=BUPRENORPHINE_filter_submit=Search

but most shelters should have it. Oral is best, works the fastest, and just has 
to go IN the cat's mouth, NOT be swallowed. I had a cat with oral SCC, and she 
seemed happy and pain free to the end.

Since this is a Foster cat, I don't think the shelter is going to pursue much 
in the way of treatment, but as Amani said prednisolone can only help. And 
readily available.

Thank you for being his soft place to fall, and a final loving home. So many 
never find that. I know how hard it is, please know you are making a huge 
difference in a small, but very important, life.

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: ROBERT CHAPEL 
>Sent: Jun 8, 2017 12:20 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
>
>My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous 
>Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is 
>beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his 
>paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off 
>and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking 
>motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
>I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the 
>shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted 
>to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or 
>amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to 
>have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, 
>in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day 
>or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be 
>heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I 
>was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but 
>apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, 
>gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to 
>sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the 
>" ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a 
>little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the 
>affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into 
>his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about 
>watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have 
>any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put 
>your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is 
>already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... 
>would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something 
>and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" 
>room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter 
>so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein 
>for as long as I can.
>Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute
>
>Bob
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

[Amani Oakley]

Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to 
the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy 
they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it 
orally when the mouth hurts.

Amani

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CHAPEL
Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

Thanks Sheri...

The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( 
which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience 
with  _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with 
Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...   I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it 
appeared to help a bit...   may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted 
to ask the group if they've used other things...  Particularly since Gilberts 
mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or 
something that could be added to his food   The only reliable way to 
medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...   so I guess 
he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more 
comfort...
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Re: [Felvtalk] Shelters and Sanctuaries for FelV

[dlgegg]

I am planning to send my babies to Rustic Hollow in Iowa when  I pass away.  
They do ask a fee, but my guys are on special food and this has to cover vet 
bills also since they will be there for the rest of their lives.  All things 
considered, it is not too high for me to be sure my babies will have a good 
home.  They also take FELV positive kitties.

 Pam Doore  wrote: 
> Thank you, Bob.  I will be in touch with the two that you mentioned.
> Before I adopted my momma and her two boys I was looking for rescues to
> take them.  I found two; one required $1,000 surrender fee and the other
> was a $3,000 surrender fee.  Unfortunately though, and I understand the
> financial need to shelters caring for FeLv cats, those two surrender fees
> were cost prohibitive.
> 
> I am looking forward to learning from this group :-D.
> 
> Pam :)
> On Jun 8, 2017 12:36 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:
> 
> >  Pam...
> >
> >
> > Loveandhopeforanimals  http://loveandhopeforanimals.org
> >  (a well funded operation in Upstate New York)   and
> > Aslanscats   also in the Northeast
> > Are the only ones that come to mind at the moment...Also you might
> > give a look at  Seer Farms  in Lakewood NJ. These are the only ones
> > that are driveable distance from where I get the impression you are
> > from.I know there are others but the small operations are often
> > questionable as they are often well meaning but frequently so underfunded
> > that the animals do not get adequate care  I don't think most of us
> > want to send these more unfortunate creatures simply off to a place that
> > will treat them like Hospice Pets ( unless they are truly close to
> > death) When I first got my FeLV boys I did a LOT of calling around
> > the US to shelters and Sanctuaries that looked after FeLV cats and one call
> > led to contacts at another and so onit's been a while but would
> > recommend you do the same Frankly... the best care info I received was
> > from this group... but that does not obviate the possibility that there are
> > others out there that have execellent suggestions or resources that would
> > be helpful..   Sorry I can't provide more but , though retired, I'm
> > swamped with things that MUST be done today...
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Shelters and Sanctuaries for FelV

[Pam Doore]

Thank you, Bob.  I will be in touch with the two that you mentioned.
Before I adopted my momma and her two boys I was looking for rescues to
take them.  I found two; one required $1,000 surrender fee and the other
was a $3,000 surrender fee.  Unfortunately though, and I understand the
financial need to shelters caring for FeLv cats, those two surrender fees
were cost prohibitive.

I am looking forward to learning from this group :-D.

Pam :)
On Jun 8, 2017 12:36 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:

>  Pam...
>
>
> Loveandhopeforanimals  http://loveandhopeforanimals.org
>  (a well funded operation in Upstate New York)   and
> Aslanscats   also in the Northeast
> Are the only ones that come to mind at the moment...Also you might
> give a look at  Seer Farms  in Lakewood NJ. These are the only ones
> that are driveable distance from where I get the impression you are
> from.I know there are others but the small operations are often
> questionable as they are often well meaning but frequently so underfunded
> that the animals do not get adequate care  I don't think most of us
> want to send these more unfortunate creatures simply off to a place that
> will treat them like Hospice Pets ( unless they are truly close to
> death) When I first got my FeLV boys I did a LOT of calling around
> the US to shelters and Sanctuaries that looked after FeLV cats and one call
> led to contacts at another and so onit's been a while but would
> recommend you do the same Frankly... the best care info I received was
> from this group... but that does not obviate the possibility that there are
> others out there that have execellent suggestions or resources that would
> be helpful..   Sorry I can't provide more but , though retired, I'm
> swamped with things that MUST be done today...
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

[Amani Oakley]

Bob - one thing to also consider is that you might get some reprieve by 
reducing the size of the tumour or more correctly, the swelling (edema) around 
the tumour, through the use of predisone/prednisolone and/or other meds like 
mannitol or decadron.

Amani

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CHAPEL
Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

Thanks Sheri...

The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( 
which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience 
with  _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with 
Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...   I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it 
appeared to help a bit...   may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted 
to ask the group if they've used other things...  Particularly since Gilberts 
mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or 
something that could be added to his food   The only reliable way to 
medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...   so I guess 
he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more 
comfort...
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thanks Sheri...

The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for 
Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I 
have a LOT of experience with  _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my 
Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a 
while...   I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a 
bit...   may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the 
group if they've used other things...  Particularly since Gilberts mouth 
hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or 
something that could be added to his food   The only reliable way to 
medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ...   so I 
guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer 
period of more comfort...




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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

[Sheri Burbridge]

Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly
be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the
quality of life they deserve.

My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that
went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy
but I don't think it put him in a stupor.

I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle.

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM  wrote:

> While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around
> his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs.  This
> way he could still be free to roam.  I hope you will find some meds for him
> and he can be close to you when the time comes.  As for not getting
> attached, that is impossible.  Five minutes after they are with you, you
> have lost.  God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing.
>
>  ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> > My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous
> Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is
> beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his
> paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off
> and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking
> motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
> I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the
> shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted
> to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or
> amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to
> have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently,
> in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day
> or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be
> heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I
> was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but
> apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest,
> gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to
> sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the
> " ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a
> little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the
> affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into
> his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about
> watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have
> any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put
> your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is
> already less than able with his balance and I am not always home...
> would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something
> and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe"
> room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter
> so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein
> for as long as I can.
> Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute
>
> Bob
>
>
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

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While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his 
favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs.  This way he 
could still be free to roam.  I hope you will find some meds for him and he can 
be close to you when the time comes.  As for not getting attached, that is 
impossible.  Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost.  God b e with 
you both and give him a peaceful passing.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous 
Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is 
beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his 
paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off 
and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking 
motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the 
shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted 
to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or 
amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to 
have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, 
in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day 
or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be 
heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I 
was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but 
apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, 
gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to 
sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the 
" ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a 
little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the 
affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into 
his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about 
watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have 
any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put 
your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is 
already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... 
would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something 
and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" 
room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter 
so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein 
for as long as I can.
Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute

Bob


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Re: [Felvtalk] Shelters and Sanctuaries for FelV

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

 Pam...


Loveandhopeforanimals  http://loveandhopeforanimals.org
 (a well funded operation in Upstate New York)       and      
Aslanscats   also in the Northeast
Are the only ones that come to mind at the moment...    Also you might 
give a look at  Seer Farms  in Lakewood NJ. These are the only ones 
that are driveable distance from where I get the impression you are 
from.    I know there are others but the small operations are often 
questionable as they are often well meaning but frequently so 
underfunded that the animals do not get adequate care  I don't think 
most of us want to send these more unfortunate creatures simply off to a 
place that will treat them like Hospice Pets ( unless they are truly 
close to death) When I first got my FeLV boys I did a LOT of 
calling around the US to shelters and Sanctuaries that looked after FeLV 
cats and one call led to contacts at another and so onit's been a 
while but would recommend you do the same Frankly... the best care 
info I received was from this group... but that does not obviate the 
possibility that there are others out there that have execellent 
suggestions or resources that would be helpful..   Sorry I can't 
provide more but , though retired, I'm swamped with things that MUST be 
done today...


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[dlgegg]

The doctor said she felt the one kidney was enlarged and firm.  She got so 
stressed from the bloodwork that she was given oxygen for 5 minutes.  They also 
gave her fluids and I brought a bag home to give her more every 3 days.  By the 
time I got home, she had perked up and ate a small can of food.  She seemed 
normal until the moment of death when she howled in pain and collapsed in my 
lap.  Apparently the kidney problem had been going on longer than we knew and 
of coure, she did not act diffrent until the day she stopped eating and that is 
the day I took her to the vet.  She had been loosing weight over the last year 
and we started her on kitten food to increase weight.  I am afraid I missed 
something.  The next time there is any weight loss, we will do a full workup 
and a more detailed blood work.  And check the kidneys.  With th beginning of 
seeing Annie, the vet began to do research on FELV and has learned that any 
abnormality in kidney size, shape and firmness and blood results is a sure sign 
of FELV at work.  She said any thing that says kidney malfunction will be a 
sign that we concentrate on testing to find out what is going on.  She had 
ordered the Doxy and is willing to do Winstrol and has a pharamist nearby who 
will compound anything we need.  That is one step in the right direction.
Annie died at 8:00 pm the night we went to the vet but at least she was at 
home, in my lap and had a few hours of feeling better.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> I'm a little confused at this point there are many condolence notes 
here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood 
work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days..
Has there been any change??   If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. 
but I am hoping not...
Please let us know...

BOb


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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous 
Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is 
beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his 
paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off 
and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking 
motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the 
shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted 
to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or 
amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to 
have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, 
in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day 
or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be 
heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I 
was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but 
apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, 
gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to 
sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the 
" ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a 
little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the 
affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into 
his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about 
watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have 
any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put 
your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is 
already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... 
would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something 
and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" 
room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter 
so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein 
for as long as I can.

Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute

Bob






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[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I'm a little confused at this point there are many condolence notes 
here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood 
work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days..
Has there been any change??   If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. 
but I am hoping not...

Please let us know...

BOb


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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups...

[Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium]

There is a shelter in Harrisburg PA called Best Little Cat house in PA.  they 
take FELV and FIV cats.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kat
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:18 AM
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Pam,

I do not know any shelters in your area, but I want to tell you that you are an 
angel for these kitties!!
Thank you for all you do.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 at 6:26 PM
From: "Pam Doore" >
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups...
Hi all,  I am with a shelter in Western NY.  I have adopted several FE LV+ 
cats.  I was asked if I could take on one more for the shelter and did.  Last 
night I was asked if I would be willing to take two more from a neighboring 
shelter.  I was unable to do that and they were euthanized today. That shelter 
is not interested in rescue groups or putting any money or other resources into 
cats that are Fe Lv+.   I am looking to find Fe Lv rescues that are in the 
NY/PA/OH areas that I could contact to see if in the future I could take cats 
in need to so that they are not euthanized.

Thank you for any suggestions and assistance!!
-Pam



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[kat]

Pam,

 

I do not know any shelters in your area, but I want to tell you that you are an angel for these kitties!!

Thank you for all you do.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 at 6:26 PM
From: "Pam Doore" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups...




Hi all,  I am with a shelter in Western NY.  I have adopted several FE LV+ cats.  I was asked if I could take on one more for the shelter and did.  Last night I was asked if I would be willing to take two more from a neighboring shelter.  I was unable to do that and they were euthanized today. That shelter is not interested in rescue groups or putting any money or other resources into cats that are Fe Lv+.   I am looking to find Fe Lv rescues that are in the NY/PA/OH areas that I could contact to see if in the future I could take cats in need to so that they are not euthanized. 
 
Thank you for any suggestions and assistance!!
-Pam

 

















 

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